• CIPWTTKT&GC V43 - WHERE IS MY THINKPAD?
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[QUOTE=gman003-main;52050449]To be fair, there's not nearly as big a performance gap. Gen-7 is leagues more efficient but honestly not much higher performance, and power efficiency doesn't matter much in desktops.[/QUOTE] Especially when you have a graphics card sucking up 2-3 times the rest of the system combined. Wow, my CPU saves 10 watts under full load. That's like 5 dollars a year if you are running seti 24/7. Realistically it's not even going to be a dollar. [img]http://i.imgur.com/K6Lqr.gif[/img] GPU efficiency actually means something right now because it's being paired with continuous performance gains too. This is part of the reason why I want AMD to be big again. It will push some performance gains from intel rather than this stagnant pile of incremental nothingness that we have right now. ([url=https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/03/amd-naples-server-processor-more-cores-bandwidth-memory-than-intel/]especially those server CPU specs hinted at a few weeks ago.. just.. what in the fuck[/url])
[QUOTE=GiGaBiTe;52050529]i5-760 is Nehalem (Lynnfield), not Core 2. I guess Android can't natively display img tags?[/QUOTE] Android can natively display img tags just fine. It's Photobucket.
[QUOTE=Ezhik;52050630]But there is a hedgehog on my avatar right now. Now that's just rude.[/QUOTE] By technicality at best
[QUOTE=Zephyrs;52050670]Wow, my CPU saves 10 watts under full load. That's like 5 dollars a year if you are running set 24/7. [img]http://i.imgur.com/K6Lqr.gif[/img] [/QUOTE] FYI the amount of energy efficiency has changed substantially more than "who gives a shit" amount since the first generation. Maybe you don't care about efficiency, but mobile applications care a lot and so does people dealing with HPC systems. Power efficiency makes a HUGE difference in these areas.
I'm not sure what the issue is for everyone, Photobucket loads fine for me and i'm on a pretty standard setup. Out of interest, what adblocker is everyone using? I'm on ublock origin and no issues here.
[QUOTE=B!N4RY;52050689]FYI the amount of energy efficiency has changed substantially more than "who gives a shit" amount since the first generation. Maybe you don't care about efficiency, but mobile applications care a lot and so does people dealing with HPC systems. Power efficiency makes a HUGE difference in these areas.[/QUOTE] The post he is replying to specifically references desktops
[QUOTE=B!N4RY;52050689]FYI the amount of energy efficiency has changed substantially more than "who gives a shit" amount since the first generation. Maybe you don't care about efficiency, but mobile applications care a lot and so does people dealing with HPC systems. Power efficiency makes a HUGE difference in these areas.[/QUOTE] Laptops are an entirely separate usage case. No shit power consumption matters on laptops. Where did I imply it didn't?
[QUOTE=GiGaBiTe;52050529]i5-760 is Nehalem (Lynnfield), not Core 2. I guess Android can't natively display img tags?[/QUOTE] Works fine here [editline]2nd April 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Dr. Evilcop;52050673]Android can natively display img tags just fine. It's Photobucket.[/QUOTE] Also, works fine here
[QUOTE=Zephyrs;52050742]Laptops are an entirely separate usage case. No shit power consumption matters on laptops. Where did I imply it didn't?[/QUOTE] Your post didn't imply it did matter either, to be fair. Your post made it sound like power efficiency simply doesn't matter at all to me.
[QUOTE=B!N4RY;52050778]Your post didn't imply it did matter either, to be fair.[/QUOTE] The absence of something does not imply the opposite. If I don't own a cat, it doesn't mean I dislike them.
[QUOTE=Zephyrs;52050801]The absence of something does not imply the opposite. If I don't own a cat, it doesn't mean I dislike them.[/QUOTE] People can infer you disliking cats them if you say things like "I hate pets that just shed a lot". Your post only mentioned CPU power efficiency is unimportant. You didn't specifically mention you're talking about desktops only. Either way, it was a misunderstanding if that is the case. However my former point still stands about the amount of power efficiency increased from sandy bridge to the current generation. You might think power efficiency is unimportant in desktops, but it's actually quite crucial in achieving higher performance at the silicon level.
[QUOTE=B!N4RY;52050821]People can infer you disliking cats them if you say things like "I hate pets that just shed a lot". Your post only mentioned CPU power efficiency is unimportant. You didn't specifically mention you're talking about desktops only. Either way, it was a misunderstanding if that is the case. However my former point still stands about the amount of power efficiency increased from sandy bridge to the current generation. You might think power efficiency is unimportant in desktops, [B]but it's actually quite crucial in achieving higher performance at the silicon level[/B].[/QUOTE] Would you be able to elaborate this a bit further?
[QUOTE=Levelog;52050679]By technicality at best[/QUOTE] I'd be able to fit a lot more hedgehog if I had a 100x700 avatar, though Which is why bribing Reagy is required.
[QUOTE=Ezhik;52050926]I'd be able to fit a lot more hedgehog if I had a 100x700 avatar, though Which is why bribing Reagy is required.[/QUOTE] I don't even know why I'm saying this, I've had avatars turned off for over 2 years.
[QUOTE=Dorkslayz;52050871]Would you be able to elaborate this a bit further?[/QUOTE] Heat dissipation is often (not always) a limiting factor on clockspeeds. That's part of why die shrinks get higher clocks - the transistors produce less heat, and so the overall thermal load is lower (at equal clock speeds), which means the clock speed can be increased without exceeding thermal limits. Localized heat can also be a limit - processors do not produce heat uniformly, and sometimes the heat-producing elements are clustered close enough that the temperature at that specific section is a limit, even if the chip itself is under TDP.
[QUOTE=Dorkslayz;52050871]Would you be able to elaborate this a bit further?[/QUOTE] The lithography of the chips is shrinking. That means less area to distribute heat. Watts in = heat out. Less area + same heat = hotter. Although we aren't pushing current silicon limits [i]that[/i] hard. Intel does cheap out on thermal compounds instead of using solder on many of their current generation chips. (which is why delidding does anything. Solder conducts heat better, which is one of many reasons the first generation or two of i series could be overclocked by 50+%.) Ultimately power efficiency does matter, but you don't have to worry about it as much if you have proper cooling. The freaky shit is the voltages. Voltages need to keep dropping because as the lithography shrinks because the insulating layers between transistors keep getting smaller and smaller. We're at the point now where the "volume" of a transistor is so small that any electron bleed from one into another can cause errors. (This is another reason why the first few generations of i series could be overclocked stupid hard. You can run them at votages that would instantly cook current chips. The insulation was thicker, and a little bleed wouldn't instantly flip a transistor because the transistors were bigger.) This gets doubly crazy when you realize that we will eventually be at the point where electrons can just quantum tunnel between transistors. No idea how that problems going to be solved, but that's years off at this point.
[QUOTE=Kiwi;52051099]You don't even need your FreeAmigaOS anymore cause he's free.[/QUOTE] It's the only version of my avatar I could find after I removed it.
Pretty easy edit though.
[QUOTE=Zephyrs;52051090] Ultimately power efficiency does matter, but you don't have to worry about it as much if you have proper cooling.[/QUOTE] Surface cooling can only do so much to be honest. Like what GMAN said, the heat is often produced at certain local hotspots, and it takes time for the heat to dissipate to the inactive side of the die, which the heatsink is in contact with. Having the best heatsink in the world won't help if a local hotspot is already getting hot to the point where the transistors aren't able to switch properly, before the heat can even disappate to the heatsink. This is why those 10GHz Pentium 4 Intel was so optimistic about back in early 2000 never seen the light of the day. The transistors gets far too hot after reaching 4GHz with the technology back then, and it's impossible to push the clock higher unless microfluidic cooling channels were used.
[QUOTE=B!N4RY;52051221]Surface cooling can only do so much to be honest.[/QUOTE] You aren't wrong, but intel has done some abysmal internal heat distribution. The paste that they use inside the shroud is legitimately fucking garbage. Delidding can produce 15 degree temperature drops, and that's [i]still[/i] inferior to solder. Besides that, chips are running into problems well before thermal limits become an issue. Even localized hotspots aren't going to cause a crash within a few hundredths of a second from an idle temp of 25C @ 200Mhz.
[QUOTE=Zephyrs;52051266]You aren't wrong, but intel has done some abysmal internal heat distribution. The paste that they use inside the shroud is legitimately fucking garbage. Delidding can produce 15 degree temperature drops, and that's [i]still[/i] inferior to solder. Besides that, chips are running into problems well before thermal limits become an issue. Even localized hotspots aren't going to cause a crash within a few hundredths of a second from an idle temp of 25C @ 200Mhz.[/QUOTE] The paste isn't the problem, people have used similar performance TIM after delidding with little difference. The issue is without the solder you need to use the glue as the only thing holding the IHS down, and it results in uneven layering of glue which causes excess heat to be trapped in pockets
I just spent three hours of my night trying to find the perfect driver balance that would give me the latest SLI drivers for the Geforce 7 series (191.07) and still support the hardware Physx PPU's (9.09.0814). I'm happy I'm not using this machine for a daily anymore. I was able to get newer drivers for the HD3850 when I was using that! :v: [editline]asda[/editline] Right. I just remembered that because I did the base install from SP2 I formatted with the NTFS 120gb limit bug. I have to save a snapshot of the machine, grab another 250gb drive and format that, then unload the snapshot onto that and swap system disks. Looks like I'm not restoring Outlook tonight.
[QUOTE=Ezhik;52050553]"We have a problem with many people using new accounts with the default egg avatar trolling people" "Better get rid of the egg avatar" Seriously, what the hell The logo's a bird New tweet button is a feather Home button is a birdhouse Why are they ruining their own branding[/QUOTE] Shiphands tend to get panicky when the holds are taking on water
Pentium's image dumps look like proper shitposts without the images.
[img]https://tenryuu.blob.core.windows.net/astrid/17-04-03_17-47-45-Interacting_with_'ts3'.png[/img] I have a love-hate relationship with web development Gecko on the left, Webkit on the right
[QUOTE=Reagy;52050546]Considering submitting a url block on photobucket due to how unstable it is, they have stopped loading for me as well. Whatever cdn they're using it keeps getting blocked or rejecting requests. I don't mean to be rude but pentium, it might be worth setting up an alt host that you can upload to for using on FP.[/QUOTE] [URL="https://www.helifreak.club/files/sandyballs.user.js"]Handy dandy photobucket embed fixing user script[/URL]. [code]location ~ \/sandyballs\/(?<serv>.+?)\/(.*)$ { resolver 8.8.8.8; rewrite \/sandyballs\/.+?\/(.*) /$1 break; proxy_pass http://$serv.photobucket.com; }[/code] Nginx reverse proxy if you want to self host it. In other news, I'll be paying $30 a month to get the internet upgraded from a 500gb to 2000gb cap, as barely anyone else uses it I'll basically have the whole 1.5 TB available.
[QUOTE=helifreak;52052258][URL="https://www.helifreak.club/files/sandyballs.user.js"]Handy dandy photobucket embed fixing user script[/URL]. [code]location ~ \/sandyballs\/(?<serv>.+?)\/(.*)$ { resolver 8.8.8.8; rewrite \/sandyballs\/.+?\/(.*) /$1 break; proxy_pass http://$serv.photobucket.com; }[/code] Nginx reverse proxy if you want to self host it. In other news, I'll be paying $30 a month to get the internet upgraded from a 500gb to 2000gb cap, as barely anyone else uses it I'll basically have the whole 1.5 TB available.[/QUOTE] Do you really think people are gonna install a script to fix shitty photobucket?
[QUOTE=SEKCobra;52052269]Do you really think people are gonna install a script to fix shitty photobucket?[/QUOTE] Depends on how much you love Pentium
[QUOTE=helifreak;52052258][URL="https://www.helifreak.club/files/sandyballs.user.js"]Handy dandy photobucket embed fixing user script[/URL]. [code]location ~ \/sandyballs\/(?<serv>.+?)\/(.*)$ { resolver 8.8.8.8; rewrite \/sandyballs\/.+?\/(.*) /$1 break; proxy_pass http://$serv.photobucket.com; }[/code] Nginx reverse proxy if you want to self host it. In other news, I'll be paying $30 a month to get the internet upgraded from a 500gb to 2000gb cap, as barely anyone else uses it I'll basically have the whole 1.5 TB available.[/QUOTE] Yeah no, I'm going to raise it in mod chat later.
[QUOTE=B!N4RY;52052281]Depends on how much you love Pentium[/QUOTE] No no, it's about how much we love photobucket. So it's not really a question.
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