• The Mouse Buying Guide
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[QUOTE=Scotty.;34867329] [IMG]http://cdn-web.steelseries.com/wp-content/uploads/productpage_SP_big.png[/IMG][/QUOTE] Can somebody please explain to me the purpose of buying an expensive mousepad vs one from the dollar store?
[QUOTE=G-Guy;34886436]If we're going theoretical for how optimal pheripheral devices can be, you have to acknowledge that every single model for mice is different and therefore has a different limit for how possibly well a human could use it. For example, let's say there's two identical mice apart from one weighing much more than the other. More weight means more force used to move the mouse (F=ma), therefore you have will either have to expend more energy into moving heavier mice or you will use the same energy but move the mouse slower. Looking at it like this, and with the finite weight of our hands already, we're most used to moving around our hands with minimal extra weight, therefore the lighter the mouse, the more likely the user is to have a better optimal aim limit. Yes there will be people who say "but I always use heavy mice and whenever I try light mice I can't aim worth a damn." The problem with that is that they're simply used to using those heavy mice, therefore if they try to use a lighter mouse right off the bat, of course they're gonna not aim as well. It's the same thing with people who use arrow keys for playing FPS, arrow keys are less efficient because using your pinky and thumb is more awkward because the surrounding buttons are higher up than with wasd. Those arrow key people try WASD, and decided it's no good for them because they didn't do as well using it simply because they weren't used to WASD. Trackballs are believed to be less optimal than regular mice because it gives emphasis to your thumb. Most people don't do much precise work with their thumb in their daily activities and it's easier for most people to use their other fingers/hand/wrist to navigate the mouse more accurately and precisely. Perhaps the trackball could be decent for someone who mastered their thumb, but for most people that's simply unlikely. Thinking about it like this, the more precise and accurate the interface is the more precise and accurate the aim is, therefore there will always be ways to optimize that up until we get to direct brain interfaces. You have to be careful where you get your reviews for different mice; I don't trust critics like those on CNET at all when it comes to mice. Gamers on forums generally seem to be the most helpful, because they use their mice daily and optimize themselves to do as well as possible, whereas the critics are just paid to shit out some opinion on the mice based on a lot of factors that gamers don't actually too much of a shit about, such as number of buttons, ergonomics, DPI settings, etc etc. But keep in mind that not all gamers are alike either, a lot get a certain brand (Logitech/Razer/etc.), like the mouse a lot compared to their last shitty generic one, and then side with that brand and defend it to the death (MX518 users come to mind, FP seems biased towards MX518). Those gamers don't truly compare mice, they get what they think is nice but don't compare it to other top tier mice. I think the Quake Live forums generally have some useful opinions on mice, involving information that is actually useful, mainly regarding the sensor of a mouse and not the other retarded bullshit like buttons and DPI.[/QUOTE] The trackball that uses the emphasis of the thumb is bad for gaming, but mine is central. My index finger does the work, along with the other two. Thumb on left click, pinky on right. That's ideal for trackball gaming. [editline]27th February 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;34890275]Can somebody please explain to me the purpose of buying an expensive mousepad vs one from the dollar store?[/QUOTE] brag rights
Go to a shop See if the mouse fits in your hand well Buy it. Wait until it breaks and repeat. That is the way my father did it with his mouse. I got my mouse as a present, so IDK how they chose it, but it is cheap and good.
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;34890275]Can somebody please explain to me the purpose of buying an expensive mousepad vs one from the dollar store?[/QUOTE] There is some quality to be had in the surface, less friction means more control in very fine movements and such, aswell as having it stick to the table better so it doesn't move around. At a certain point it does stray into gimmicky overpriced bullshit territory though, I wouldn't buy anything more expensive than like a steelseries QCK.
For now, i've put my whole budget into a mechanical keyboard and will get a new mouse at a later date to see what new comes out. My problem at the moment is desk space and new keyboard will take majority (desk is small because I have the pleasure of having the box bedroom). But i'll be upgrading to something more convenient I hope so for now my Logitech Marble Mouse will do fine, despite the wire being broken in certain positions i'm not moving the full unit. Speaking of which, does anyone know any new Mice that have been announced?
[QUOTE=Mr. Agree;34891018] brag rights[/QUOTE] Mine is made of real leather. E-peen through the roof.
[QUOTE=tratzzz;34893022]Go to a shop See if the mouse fits in your hand well Buy it. Wait until it breaks and repeat. That is the way my father did it with his mouse. I got my mouse as a present, so IDK how they chose it, but it is cheap and good.[/QUOTE] Thing is that a lot of cheap new mice nowadays have sensor issues, I remember trying out three different cheap mice (Logitech, Sony, ROG [came with laptop]) and could definitely see issues with all of them (major skipping, mouse acceleration, annoying liftoff distance). My friend got a generic Logitech, and as soon as I saw it, I told him to return it. He threw a pissy fit so I told him I'd test out the mouse and show him, and wouldn't you know, you could easily see the skipping in TF2 as soon as you went above a certain low speed. You may buy a cheap mouse and never know its awful sensor issues if that's what you're used to and don't have a good mouse to compare to.
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;34890275]Can somebody please explain to me the purpose of buying an expensive mousepad vs one from the dollar store?[/QUOTE] I have no idea since I've been using the same Budweiser mousepad for over 10 years. I believe its from 1995. I have the Razer Deathadder and its pretty damn good, its a huge upgrade from my previous mouse who's left button was broken :suicide:
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;34890275]Can somebody please explain to me the purpose of buying an expensive mousepad vs one from the dollar store?[/QUOTE] To greatly increase the scale of my already magnificently gratuitously sized e-peen.
[QUOTE=David Tennant;34894852]Mine is made of real leather. E-peen through the roof.[/QUOTE] My mouse pad: [IMG]http://img.waffleimages.com/44d06e9a83fb3ea9055f9cb84889ae19c2da3696/smug_big.png[/IMG] Actual size depending on dpi.
[QUOTE=Odellus;34886689]esreality[/QUOTE] This. It's basically where I've learnt all my info from - from proven professional gamers and actual facts. List of confirmed G500 users; Shadaez Nsybouts snarglemuffin Darkimmortal raceingdemon SataniX Chickens! SirKillsAlot Zorlok Flubadoo
[QUOTE=Porcupine162;34909138]This. It's basically where I've learnt all my info from - from proven professional gamers and actual facts. List of confirmed G500 users; Shadaez Nsybouts snarglemuffin Darkimmortal raceingdemon SataniX Chickens! SirKillsAlot Zorlok Flubadoo[/QUOTE] I have two G500's, does that make me special?
I have huge hands and the DeathAdder is the most comfortable mouse I've ever used, though these things are pretty damn cheap (in my experience). This is the third one I've owned, luckily my second was covered for a return, and all of them have broken in the same way, the Mouse 4 button basically becomes loose and stops working and right now clicking the scroll wheel is extremely unresponsive. Might have to try out a different mouse when I buy a new one.
[QUOTE=Porcupine162;34909138]This. It's basically where I've learnt all my info from - from proven professional gamers and actual facts. List of confirmed G500 users; Shadaez Nsybouts snarglemuffin Darkimmortal raceingdemon SataniX Chickens! SirKillsAlot Zorlok Flubadoo[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.legit-proof.com/search/?method=guid&query=21019806[/url] [img]http://thetldr.com/public/style_emoticons/default/smug.gif[/img]
[QUOTE=Odellus;34868064]razer's mice aren't overpriced, their headphones are and so are their keyboards to an extent the deathadder is a great mouse for $40, if that's too much you can grab an abyssus for $30 which uses the same sensor but doesn't have back/forward buttons [b]tbh I'm probably never buying logitech again after how bad their mice have gotten since the mx518/g5/g9x days[/b] you should get a wmo/intellimouse honestly, best mice ever made[/QUOTE] That's an overstatement. I got a G400 for 50% off (MX518 warranty went away 2 months ago so i guess they just didn't want to be dicks and gave me a 50% discount) and i like it a lot more than the MX518, the buttons feel much better, the bigger feet glide much better on my "normal" mousepad (artscow one) and on my gaming pad (razer destructor), and i've tried both the G500 and G700 and they felt quite good (i just couldn't afford them at all). i like the deathadder, but i'm just too used to the G5 shape and i can't trade it for anything
[QUOTE=mfb412;34912562]That's an overstatement. I got a G400 for 50% off (MX518 warranty went away 2 months ago so i guess they just didn't want to be dicks and gave me a 50% discount) and i like it a lot more than the MX518, the buttons feel much better, the bigger feet glide much better on my "normal" mousepad (artscow one) and on my gaming pad (razer destructor), and i've tried both the G500 and G700 and they felt quite good (i just couldn't afford them at all). i like the deathadder, but i'm just too used to the G5 shape and i can't trade it for anything[/QUOTE] okay, but you aren't even talking about the most important part of the mouse, you know, the reason you bought it in the first place
I completed Doom 3 with a laptop touch pad, I just shoved the sensitivity to almost maximum and rolled my finger to aim. I use a Razer Deathadder at work, comfortable for long periods of continuous use. Those side buttons are irritating if you aren't gaming though so I have them disabled.
[QUOTE=Odellus;34913923]okay, but you aren't even talking about the most important part of the mouse, you know, the reason you bought it in the first place[/QUOTE] I bought it because i'm used to the shape and ergonomics of the G5-MX518 and to their weight, because logitech's customer service is quite good and fast (mouse even shipped 2 days before it was predicted), and because i'm overall completely not a fan of razer in the slightest because i find everything of theirs overpriced (i can get an MX518 for 15 less euros than a deathadder, and even the G400 and G500 are within 5 euros of it). I will however praise their mousepads, i am ridiculously satisfied with their Destructor, i love the feel and the glide, and i will definitely buy another one considering this one is starting to lose the feel from sheer use. On a side note, is there any hard mousepad that compares to the destructor and doesn't cost as much?
[QUOTE=Odellus;34911612][url]http://www.legit-proof.com/search/?method=guid&query=21019806[/url] [img]http://thetldr.com/public/style_emoticons/default/smug.gif[/img][/QUOTE] i don't understand what i'm looking at. [editline]29th February 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=mfb412;34916525]I bought it because i'm used to the shape and ergonomics of the G5-MX518 and to their weight, because logitech's customer service is quite good and fast (mouse even shipped 2 days before it was predicted), and because i'm overall completely not a fan of razer in the slightest because i find everything of theirs overpriced (i can get an MX518 for 15 less euros than a deathadder, and even the G400 and G500 are within 5 euros of it).?[/QUOTE] I always buy Logitech because every single product I've owned from them have been extremely durable and reliable. [editline]29th February 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Odellus;34868064]tbh I'm probably never buying logitech again after how bad their mice have gotten since the mx518/g5/g9x days[/QUOTE] How did they get bad? I'm not trying to be sarcastic or anything, I really don't know.
My g500 still works great and I have 0 problems with it, maybe I don't notice the acceleration because I'm a low sensitivity gamer, but normally it bothers me an incredible amount so whatever you suck
If your picky about cosmetic look's[b] DO NOT [/b]get the Logitech MX Pro. The chrome will rub off. But hey Glass desk? Yes It will track on it. Going down the road in the back of a car? Yup flop that thing on the window, and pray your friends don't roll it down.
[QUOTE=Porcupine162;34782495]G500 is an awful mouse, why the fuck have you suggested it? lmao, rate me dumb then. Enjoy your heavy as fuck mouse with inbuilt acceleration above 1m/s, terrible tracking, low perfect control, low malfunction speed, poor build quality. Not to mention the jitter due to the sensor having a bad SROM version.[/QUOTE] What would you suggest then?
The acceleration issue on the G500 is definitely there, you can see, feel and have to correct for it in osu but in FPS games it doesn't feel like typical acceleration to me, it just causes me to miss shots all the time (or maybe I'm just shit :V). And this is even on a hard pad which supposedly mitigates most of the issue Next mouse will be a Sensei, assuming its sensor is as good as the Xai?
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;34921985]i don't understand what i'm looking at.[/quote] It basically proves Odellus is a cevo standard CS player :) [QUOTE=Summ;34924029]What would you suggest then?[/QUOTE] If you like the form factor of the Logitech mice, get a G400. Pretty much flawless. [QUOTE=Darkimmortal;34924558] Next mouse will be a Sensei, assuming its sensor is as good as the Xai?[/QUOTE] Sensei has acceleration too. Steer clear if you don't like the G500.
Yeah, the Sensei has minor positive acceleration. Also, a decent like 2000 dpi or something of the top-end speed settings are entirely interpolation. [editline]29th February 2012[/editline] Lets you customise what shows on the bottom screen and there are side buttons on both sides and whatnot though, if you're into that sort of thing.
Welp, after 4 faithful years, my beloved G9 is suffering from randomly disconnecting and reconnecting, so it looks like I need a new mouse. I'm getting a used Xai first, see if I like it, and then probably get a fancy new Sensei if I do.
[QUOTE=Weltmeister;34975468]Welp, after 4 faithful years, my beloved G9 is suffering from randomly disconnecting and reconnecting, so it looks like I need a new mouse. I'm getting a used Xai first, see if I like it, and then probably get a fancy new Sensei if I do.[/QUOTE] Yeah, get's annoying that. Broken wire. Luckily my trackball had some juice left seeing as you don't have to move it, but lack of desk space gives me a reason to replace with a brand new trackball. Logitech upped the design nicely; more silvery and just better looking. Buttons better too.
Getting a bit bored of my WMO (yeah it's great and all but I feel like trying new things) so I ordered an Abyssus Mirror, should get it in a few days. Was considering getting a Deathadder but I wouldn't need the extra buttons and I wanted a lighter mouse (along with one better suited for claw grip). Apparently when it's working properly, it gets as good tracking as the WMO but with higher malfunction speed and is lighter. Unfortunately there seems to be a jitter problem with the sensor (moreso in older models) but the jittering only occurs on certain mousepads, so I ordered a Goliathus Speed as well (Abyssus seems to fuck up with Qck pads but works well with Razer pads supposedly, and I needed a new mousepad anyway because I spilled soda all over mine so now there's a permanent stain). Mirror edition has a mirror finish (derp), so will attract lots of fingerprints and shit but I always clean my mouse daily anyway (can't stand grease on keyboard/mouse/headphones/anything).
my da is working fine with my qck+ wish I got the black edition, but it costs too much (the glossy sides are extremely annoying)
[QUOTE=Odellus;34978073]my da is working fine with my qck+ wish I got the black edition, but it costs too much (the glossy sides are extremely annoying)[/QUOTE] Yeah DA works fine with most pads, the Abyssus, while using the same sensor, differs in its light diode or something which creates issues such as the jittering and insane liftoff distance, causing some users to use a piece of tape to cover the bottom ~30% of the sensor. Also, do you use palm or claw grip Odellus for DA? It seems like more of a palm grip mouse but I thought you said before that you use claw or something.
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