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[QUOTE=scratch (nl);47580487]I'm thinking of doing an upgrade. I'm thinking of resusing my PSU, RAM and storage of my current computer for the new one: Case: [URL]https://pcpartpicker.com/part/nzxt-case-cas340ww1[/URL] Motherboard: [URL]https://pcpartpicker.com/part/asus-motherboard-z97ausb31[/URL] CPU: [URL]https://pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-cm8064601710803[/URL] CPU cooler: [URL]https://pcpartpicker.com/part/cooler-master-cpu-cooler-rrtx3e22pkr1[/URL] GPU: [URL]https://pcpartpicker.com/part/sapphire-video-card-1003613sr[/URL] ~1000$ I'm not too sure about the CPU/motherboard though. I don't have a lot of knowledge on that area.[/QUOTE] You want to overclock CPU? If not, go for cheaper 4690, or even 4590, because difference between 4590 and 4690 is minor, but it cost "a lot" more. If you dont want to overclock, dont go overtop with motherboard too. But also don't buy too cheap. You just need to find sweet spot :P
Can anyone give me recommendations/improvements on my DreamBuild (Im actually going to buy it) [sp] all prices are in AUD [/sp] [B]CPU[/B]: Intel Core i5 4690k - 88w - $309 [B]CPU Cooler[/B]: Not sure if I have one already on my current PC, any recommendations will be great! [B]Motherboard[/B]: Need help finding one [B]Memory[/B]: (Already Owned) 2x DDR3 Dragon RAM [B]Storage[/B]: (Already Owned) 500GB HDD idk who from [B]Graphics[/B]: Asus Strix 970 4GB - up to 225w - $529 [B][U]OR[/U][/B] r9 280x for ~$150 cheaper [B]Case[/B]: [IMG]http://www.jw.com.au/images/cache/0ea3096485c832ff93696946be6f4642.png[/IMG] Corsair Carbide SPEC-01 Tower Black - $85 [B]Power Supply[/B]: Corsair CX600w - $109 All this I'm going to buy at a local store. Thanks!
Would it be possible to have a Quadro and a Geforce card in the same computer? I'm thinking of building a new PC but I would like to be able to use it for work and games? Or should I just invest in a more expensive gaming card and hope it meets all my CAD needs?
[QUOTE=Exploderguy;47580652]Can anyone give me recommendations/improvements on my DreamBuild (Im actually going to buy it) [sp] all prices are in AUD [/sp] [B]Graphics[/B]: Asus Strix 970 4GB - up to 225w - $529 [B][U]OR[/U][/B] r9 280x for ~$150 cheaper All this I'm going to buy at a local store. Thanks![/QUOTE] Why not R9 290 or 290x instead of 280x? Its probably cheaper than 970, but almost as good. Price-performance is better overall on 290/290x side. [QUOTE=Buck.;47580706]Would it be possible to have a Quadro and a Geforce card in the same computer? I'm thinking of building a new PC but I would like to be able to use it for work and games? Or should I just invest in a more expensive gaming card and hope it meets all my CAD needs?[/QUOTE] 390x will be probably good for gaming and powerful for work, and if anything supports OpenCL, it will really help out.
[QUOTE=Xanoxis;47580728]Why not R9 290 or 290x instead of 280x? Its probably cheaper than 970, but almost as good. Price-performance is better overall on 290/290x side. [/QUOTE] The 290x is only $20 cheaper than the 970, Id rather pay $20 more for more stable performance.
[QUOTE=Xanoxis;47580728]Why not R9 290 or 290x instead of 280x? Its probably cheaper than 970, but almost as good. Price-performance is better overall on 290/290x side. 390x will be probably good for gaming and powerful for work, and if anything supports OpenCL, it will really help out.[/QUOTE] Which brings me to the next question. Should I just wait until Nvidia releases a new flagship card to compete against the 390x? I keep hearing how AMD is slowly dying, so I figured Nvidia would be a smarter choice?
this discussion is also starting to make me doubt between the 970 or 290x. Both are the same price over here.
[QUOTE=Buck.;47580706]Or should I just invest in a more expensive gaming card and hope it meets all my CAD needs?[/QUOTE] I would recommend an Nvidia Quadro card and not a gaming one. CAD requirements are very different from game requirements. They offer better precision (which is important since CAD is precision tool) and are expected to have higher redundancy usage compared a gaming card. The downside though is that even midrange models can be pretty pricey. At minimum I would recommend a K600: [b]Video Card:[/b] [url=http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/part/pny-video-card-vcqk600pb]PNY Quadro K600 1GB Video Card[/url] (£116.26 @ Amazon UK)
[QUOTE=Triot;47581174]I would recommend an Nvidia Quadro card and not a gaming one. CAD requirements are very different from game requirements. They offer better precision (which is important since CAD is precision tool) and are expected to have higher redundancy usage compared a gaming card. The downside though is that even midrange models can be pretty pricey. At minimum I would recommend a K600: [b]Video Card:[/b] [url=http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/part/pny-video-card-vcqk600pb]PNY Quadro K600 1GB Video Card[/url] (£116.26 @ Amazon UK)[/QUOTE] I will not get just a quadro on it's own. They are poor for gaming, I was more questioning if it's possible to have one of both without dual boot, and how would I even connect the monitor up? Connect it to both cards over different cables and use the buttons on the monitor to switch input? I do a lot more gaming on my PC than I would do work. If I can't have both of best worlds I would prefer great gaming performance and okay CAD performance over great CAD performance and bad gaming performance tbh.
[QUOTE=Exploderguy;47580769]The 290x is only $20 cheaper than the 970, Id rather pay $20 more for more stable performance.[/QUOTE] What? Why more stable? Remember that 970 has problems with last 0.5 GB of VRAM. Stable my ass. AMD drivers are fine, and often better, lately. [editline]23rd April 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Buck.;47580922]Which brings me to the next question. Should I just wait until Nvidia releases a new flagship card to compete against the 390x? I keep hearing how AMD is slowly dying, so I figured Nvidia would be a smarter choice?[/QUOTE] AMD is not going to just die, and I doubt it will. 390x will be probably cheaper than 980ti Nvidia will probably release. And its also up to you if you want to support company that lies to customers. And makes closed standards. I would go for 390x, it will have next gen Vram and full dx12 support.
Decided that I'm gonna go for an A31 for my build instead of the Raidmax Atlas. [t]http://www.thermaltakeusa.com/db/products/case/a31/main.jpg[/t]
[QUOTE=Xanoxis;47582510]What? Why more stable? Remember that 970 has problems with last 0.5 GB of VRAM. Stable my ass. AMD drivers are fine, and often better, lately. [editline]23rd April 2015[/editline] AMD is not going to just die, and I doubt it will. 390x will be probably cheaper than 980ti Nvidia will probably release. And its also up to you if you want to support company that lies to customers. And makes closed standards. I would go for 390x, it will have next gen Vram and full dx12 support.[/QUOTE] you're forgetting a critical added bonus - you also don't need radiators or any other heat generating objects in your house if you own an AMD card, it does all the heating for you :-)
[QUOTE=Levelog;47580433]No, it's really a subpar PSU. Lemme see if I can find another.[/QUOTE] Really appreciate the help. For future reference, is there a good place to find reviews on hardware like that? Various tech sites said it was decent and users reviews aren't reliable even when there is a significant amount of them, the seasonic power supply only has a single 4* user review and the corsair one has 2 5* review :v:
[QUOTE=based;47582672]you're forgetting a critical added bonus - you also don't need radiators or any other heat generating objects in your house if you own an AMD card, it does all the heating for you :-)[/QUOTE] Isn't this joke supposed to be about Nvidia cards?
So I ordered my PSU and R9 290 yesterday at like 2PM and Newegg shipped it and got it to my house at 11:30AM today. Holy shit. I didn't even get overnight shipping or anything, just the $4 rush processing. It needs to be 4:00PM because this wait is killing me. I'm probably going to drop the parts into my existing computer (FX-6100, 16GB RAM, and Radeon HD 7450 :C) until I buy the rest of the parts for the new computer Wednesday. I've never been so excited to be broke in my entire life.
[QUOTE=Buck.;47582795]Isn't this joke supposed to be about Nvidia cards?[/QUOTE] It was, about GTX 480 I think? But also REFERENCE cooler of 290x was quite hot, and AMD said it's fine and it is standard temperature for this GPU. Anyway, its kind of no problem, because any non-reference cooler is good, and stays below 80 more or less. Unless you overclock and use it for a long time, I assume.
[QUOTE=Xanoxis;47582510]What? Why more stable? Remember that 970 has problems with last 0.5 GB of VRAM. Stable my ass. AMD drivers are fine, and often better, lately. [/QUOTE]that .5gb of vram is literally nothing. I have yet to experience any issues, my games are perfectly stable, and i run at 1440p. the drivers are fine too. both sides drivers are solid, not one better than the others. nvidia owns 76% of the gpu market, the 390x wont be great enough to make a dent in the success the 970 already pulled. sure, it will compete now, if it's even decent. you are suggesting a card that hasn't even been benched yet..so..
[QUOTE=ClaBrendon;47582988]that .5gb of vram is literally nothing. I have yet to experience any issues, my games are perfectly stable. the drivers are fine too. both sides drivers are solid, not one better than the others. nvidia owns 76% of the gpu market, the 390x wont be great enough to make a dent in the success the 970 already pulled. sure, it will compete now, if it's even decent. you are suggesting a card that hasn't even been benched yet..so..[/QUOTE] Nvidia really has that much of the market?
yes, they are destroying amd currently, that's why amds next release better be good.. of course nvidia wants amd to stay afloat, or else nvidia would become a monopoly. which is illegal here, and brings quite a bit of issues to nvidia. [url]http://www.overclock3d.net/articles/gpu_displays/amd_market_share_crash_3_out_of_4_use_nvidia_gpus/1[/url]
[QUOTE=deathmog;47583014]Nvidia really has that much of the market?[/QUOTE] Somewhere around there, [url=http://www.anandtech.com/show/8446/the-state-of-pc-graphics-sales-q2-2014]this article[/url] from august 2014 puts nvidia at 62% and amd at 37.9% if you only consider graphics cards, although of course if you broaden the category to include computers with intel integrated graphics those win out by a huge margin.
the 900 series catapulted them to 76%.
[QUOTE=ClaBrendon;47583208]the 900 series catapulted them to 76%.[/QUOTE] Just couldn't find more recent statistics, but that is quite another huge leap. I'm not too surprised though, nvidia really knows how to win over customers. I remember when I was 16 and had been programming for a few years they acquired PhysX and soon after made the API really available to indies. I had to write an actual request letter to try the API before then, so it was a pretty welcome change followed soon after by them making it free for everyone to use even commercially.
here you go [url]http://jonpeddie.com/press-releases/details/intel-gains-nvidia-flat-and-amd-loses-graphics-market-share-in-q1/[/url] [editline]23rd April 2015[/editline] and heres something that makes it easier to understand [url]http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/nvidia-76-amd-24-gpu-marketshare-q4-2014.html[/url]
Just bought the MSI 970. Very excited
[QUOTE=ClaBrendon;47582988]that .5gb of vram is literally nothing. I have yet to experience any issues, my games are perfectly stable, and i run at 1440p. [/QUOTE] I would never buy 970, just because I would know that someday stutter would come, and I could not do shit about it. Stutter is really annoying in games, once I had problems with Bioshock Infinite and it was unplayable. Never again, so Im very paranoid about VRAM issues. And it is just broken, I dont care you will not get 4gb of usage "now".
[QUOTE=~Kiwi~v2;47584554]that's a pretty arrogant opinion for something that won't ever happen nor should happen anyway and the only way you would get that issue is if you were yes maxing the game out with more then 4xmsaa which in itself you wouldn't be getting a playable frame rate anyway[/QUOTE] It's more about buying product that I know is broken from the beggining. Ok, call it 3.5+0.5, thats fair, but dont call it 4gb, and say it is fine, just because games dont use that much now. Future games will use more Vram just because they can (consoles) and that will be an issue. Just sayin', that will happen. Nvidia also lied about specs, some amount of special cores on GPU. I dont know, I just would not buy something from a company that is so shady and fucks with customers.
I was concerned about the .5gb as well before I bought one. Honestly, I've forced vram usage well above 3.5gb in all of the different games I own where it was possible to do so and have noticed no slowdowns whatsoever, apart from what you would typically expect from having increased the settings so much. No stutter of any sort. Coupled with the fact that the card doesn't have the raw horsepower to cope at settings where you would use that much vram anyway, it is essentially a non-issue. Still outperforms R9 290x in most scenarios, for the same price, and in the scenes where R9 290x does do better, it's only by an extremely slim margin, making the GTX 970 a better buy.
[QUOTE=Xanoxis;47584609]It's more about buying product that I know is broken from the beggining. Ok, call it 3.5+0.5, thats fair, but dont call it 4gb, and say it is fine, just because games dont use that much now. Future games will use more Vram just because they can (consoles) and that will be an issue. Just sayin', that will happen. Nvidia also lied about specs, some amount of special cores on GPU. I dont know, I just would not buy something from a company that is so shady and fucks with customers.[/QUOTE] your arguement just shows arrogance. it was never "broken" from the beginning. people just cried, and others followed the bandwagon. people that noticed it probly run triple monitor gaming, or 4k, which if you do, should probly have something better than a single 970. by the time future games use more tha 4gb of vram you will need something better than a 970, and that's just for your average 1080p gamer. not once I have experienced any issues with my 970, and i max out most of my games at 1440p. go ahead and buy amd, but you're not really buying the best price/perfomance ratio at the moment.
[QUOTE=ClaBrendon;47584782]your arguement just shows arrogance. it was never "broken" from the beginning. people just cried, and others followed the bandwagon. people that noticed it probly run triple monitor gaming, or 4k, which if you do, should probly have something better than a single 970. by the time future games use more tha 4gb of vram you will need something better than a 970, and that's just for your average 1080p gamer. not once I have experienced any issues with my 970, and i max out most of my games at 1440p. go ahead and buy amd, but you're not really buying the best price/perfomance ratio at the moment.[/QUOTE] I'm buying better price/performance ratio, here in Poland cheapest 970 is 100$~ more expensive than cheapest 290x I found. EU is rather different market than US... Anyway, I'm not saying that 970 is very very bad etc, I'm just saying Nvidia lied, there is problem, and It's up to people if they care. I care about those things to the point where price/performance ratio is just better , even if I dont support that side. Same with Intel, I really dont like what Intel did (Intel kernel slowing down AMD cpu), but I have no other choice than to buy new i5 to my PC. I'm not plain stupid, I just want to vote with my money when I can. And with AMD/Nvidia there is choice.
[t]http://puu.sh/hoNaC/3a4431450f.jpg[/t] I did a thing! First time liquid cooling, turned out pretty OK in my opinion. Triple 120 rad up top w/3 SP120s in a push config. Plan on cooling the video card next since a triple rad is wayyy overkill for just a CPU. I've got an Alphacool D5 pump on it too. CPU block is a limited edition gold plated EK block I got a while ago. Deets: ASUS Z97-A Motherboard i7-4790k overclocked to 4.6 16GB of some Geil RAM I had in my old system (will replace soon w/Corsair Dominator) EVGA GTX780 Superclocked w/some overclock Corsair AX760 4x 2TB WD Black HDDs in RAID5 128GB PCIe M.2 SSD for OS It's going to be kinda a fluid (ha) build and things will change over time. Kinda excited for water cooling though!
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