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[QUOTE=The Dovahneer;48574005]in my research there really isnt that much difference between 1x8 and 2x4 and 1x8 was cheaper[/QUOTE] [I]theoretically[/I] you can have 100% boost in memory performance when using 2 sticks instead of 1, under very rare perfect conditions, but you can probably see on average a 5-10% boost in RAM performance, which isn't a lot, but that's not the reason why you would get two sticks. the biggest benefit from having multiple sticks is when, if one stick fails, you still have a backup stick to keep your system chugging. worth the extra ~$5 imo. [QUOTE=The Dovahneer;48574005]for not having a ssd, i dont really mind boot and loading times that much[/QUOTE] i suppose that's preference, but as for me and probably many others, an SSD is a must have for operating systems and important programs and is difficult to consider going back to traditional disks. [QUOTE=The Dovahneer;48574005]whats the difference between a z87 and a z97? because in my research that z87 is a good board and its cheap as hell after rebate. yes, i'm planning on overclocking a bit.[/QUOTE] get a z87 mobo with a non-K processor, or get a z97 mobo with that K processor you have on your list. the reason is overclockability, if you plan on doing any overclocking, you get a K processor with a z97 board. otherwise, you can get the cheaper 4690 non-K with a cheaper z87 board of the same quality, just minus that extra overclocking performance.
[QUOTE=ief014;48574693]get a z87 mobo with a non-K processor, or get a z97 mobo with that K processor you have on your list. the reason is overclockability, if you plan on doing any overclocking, you get a K processor with a z97 board. otherwise, you can get the cheaper 4690 non-K with a cheaper z87 board of the same quality, just minus that extra overclocking performance.[/QUOTE] whats the difference between the chipsets other than some features that i probably wont use? theyre both overclocking chipsets iirc
[QUOTE=The Dovahneer;48574794]whats the difference between the chipsets other than some features i probably wont use? theyre both overclocking chipsets iirc[/QUOTE] right, I was thinking h87. z97 is the succeeding chipset to z87. basically, get a z97 with a K processor if you want overclocking. otherwise get a h97 with a non-K.
Hi all, How does the AMD FX-4170 cope in 2015 with gaming? Coupled with an HD 7770? Not looking for super high performance.. but just enough to stream via Steam Streaming to my tablet.
[QUOTE=Chuushajou;48576068]Hi all, How does the AMD FX-4170 cope in 2015 with gaming? Coupled with an HD 7770? Not looking for super high performance.. but just enough to stream via Steam Streaming to my tablet.[/QUOTE] It shouldn't run that bad. I don't know about Steam Streaming on recent games but it should do others at a decent framerate Anyways, does anyone here use the NZXT Phantom 410 case? Do they have problems putting the mobo in the standoffs? I can't seem to fit this MSI Z97 G45 in here no matter how much I try
[QUOTE=Chuushajou;48576068]Hi all, How does the AMD FX-4170 cope in 2015 with gaming? Coupled with an HD 7770? Not looking for super high performance.. but just enough to stream via Steam Streaming to my tablet.[/QUOTE] It wil run CPU heavy games liek GTA-v , Planetside 2, ARMA bad. No matter the settings. For most other games it is okay(ish). [QUOTE=The Dovahneer;48574794]whats the difference between the chipsets other than some features that i probably wont use? theyre both overclocking chipsets iirc[/QUOTE] Z97 supports Broadwell cpu's natively, however. Broadwell sucks for gaming so NVM that. And it has build in features to support ssd's+m.2 drives better. And thats about it. If you can find a Z97 that matches the price of that asus, I would go for it. But its not that different. That ASUS board is actually kinda OK. The onboard audio might be Meh... But it has 8 VRM's on the CPU. So overclocking should be relatively stable for a board this cheap. I would really really really reccomend an SSD. I had the same idea as you about them "they dont increase my FPS so why would I get one". But holy shit, it makes everything you are doing on the pc so much more enjoyable. No loading times on opening steam, PC restarts in seconds, unzipping of mods etc within seconds, browser with 30+ tabs open pops up in an instant.
Ok brilliant, thank you for your responses. How would a fX-6300 handle CPU intensive games? It might help if I tell you what I'm ideally after. I'm looking to install a headless PC which I can access via RDP or stream Steam from. Games I will mainly be playing are; - Company of Heroes - Supreme Commander - Killing Floor - CS:GO - GTA V The PC will not be used [I]that[/I] often, only when I have some free time (Hence the reason I'm looking at purchasing second-hand parts). At the moment I'm looking at the below options; FX-6300 GIGABYTE GA-78LMT-USB3 16GB DDR3 1600Mhz (I have these lying around, so this isn't a cost to me) XFX HD 7770 1GB DDR5 "Black Edition" Kingston 120GB SSDNow V300 (For OS, I have a 1TB HDD spare) EVGA 500W Fully Wired 80+ White Power Supply I haven't really explored Intel options... Any feedback is appreciated.
Get an intel processor if you want a higher end one
[QUOTE=Chuushajou;48580785]Ok brilliant, thank you for your responses. How would a fX-6300 handle CPU intensive games? It might help if I tell you what I'm ideally after. I'm looking to install a headless PC which I can access via RDP or stream Steam from. Games I will mainly be playing are; - Company of Heroes - Supreme Commander - Killing Floor - CS:GO - GTA V The PC will not be used [I]that[/I] often, only when I have some free time (Hence the reason I'm looking at purchasing second-hand parts). At the moment I'm looking at the below options; FX-6300 GIGABYTE GA-78LMT-USB3 16GB DDR3 1600Mhz (I have these lying around, so this isn't a cost to me) XFX HD 7770 1GB DDR5 "Black Edition" Kingston 120GB SSDNow V300 (For OS, I have a 1TB HDD spare) EVGA 500W Fully Wired 80+ White Power Supply I haven't really explored Intel options... Any feedback is appreciated.[/QUOTE] GTA V is really CPU heavy, and Supcom is moderately CPU heavy. The FX-6300 will stutter a bit with alot of units on the screen.
Thanks for your comments. Appreciate it. If you had to choose an Intel CPU, what would you go for? I don't want to splash out on a new i5, if I can help it. I have found a X5550 system going fairly cheap, is this something worth considering?
Friends looking for a $600 work PC. Using it for pro tools and video editing.
[QUOTE=~Kiwi~v2;48581598]No. What's a budget you have in mind and what do you ALREADY have[/QUOTE] I'm ideally looking at £150 top end for a CPU & Motherboard. (Pre-owned) GPU is also required. Can pick up a XFX 7770 for £50. I'll also need a PSU, but I'm not taking that into inconsideration. RAM, HDD & Case - I already own.
[QUOTE=~Kiwi~v2;48581685]how big's your case assuming it can fit full-sized atx?[/QUOTE] Yes it can, although I can't remember the name/model. I'd need to double check, but I believe it is an Antec 300.
Thanks Kiwi! I'll take a look into this. Can I ask why you would choose the i7 920 over the FX-6300?
Do Crucial's newer SSDs (think "newer than the M4 from 2012") provide throughput stats or no?
[QUOTE=~Kiwi~v2;48581921] <Snip> [/QUOTE] Hi Kiwi, Apologies for the delayed response. Being honest £352.81 is way over what I'd ideally like to spend, purely because I will not be using it that often to get my monies worth. I have been looking into the below. Can I please get your opinion? [B][U]Machine 1[/U][/B] AMD 8320 (With the ability to upgrade to the AMD 8350 in the future) XFX 7950 or XFX 7850 GIGABYTE GA-78LMT-USB3 16GB DDR3 1600Mhz Kingston 120GB SSDNow V300 Corsair CXM 500W Semi Modular 80+ Bronze Power Supply OR [B][U]Machine 2[/U][/B] Intel i7 970 XFX 7950 or XFX 7850 GIGABYTE X58-UD7 16GB DDR3 1600mhz (With the ability to go 24GB) Kingston 120GB SSDNow V300 Thermaltake TR2 RX-550 Parts of these are pre-owned 'bundles' on eBay.
put together this build today [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/p/W6KGTW]PCPartPicker part list[/url] / [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/p/W6KGTW/by_merchant/]Price breakdown by merchant[/url] [b]CPU:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80646i54670k]Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor[/url] ($282.71 @ Amazon) [b]Motherboard:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gigabyte-motherboard-gah97md3h]Gigabyte GA-H97M-D3H Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard[/url] ($91.18 @ Amazon) [b]Memory:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/crucial-memory-bls2kit8g3d1609ds1s00]Crucial Ballistix Sport 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory[/url] ($77.99 @ Amazon) [b]Storage:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/samsung-internal-hard-drive-mz75e250bam]Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive[/url] ($99.99 @ Amazon) [b]Storage:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/western-digital-internal-hard-drive-wd1002faex]Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive[/url] [b]Video Card:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asus-video-card-strixgtx970dc2oc4gd5]Asus GeForce GTX 970 4GB STRIX Video Card[/url] ($340.99 @ Amazon) [b]Case:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-case-cc9011029ww]Corsair 350D Window MicroATX Mid Tower Case[/url] ($99.99 @ Amazon) [b]Power Supply:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-power-supply-ax760]Corsair 760W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply[/url] ($154.99 @ Amazon) [b]Optical Drive:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asus-optical-drive-drw24b1stblkbas]Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer[/url] ($20.98 @ Amazon) [b]Wireless Network Adapter:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gigabyte-wireless-network-card-gcwb867di]Gigabyte GC-WB867D-I 802.11a/b/g/n/ac PCI-Express x1 Wi-Fi Adapter[/url] ($32.87 @ Amazon) [b]Monitor:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/acer-monitor-etws0hpa01]Acer S220HQLAbd 60Hz 21.5" Monitor[/url] ($99.99 @ Amazon) [b]Total:[/b] $1301.68 [i]Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available[/i] [i]Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-09-01 13:54 EDT-0400[/i]
get an i5 4690K. it's slightly more powerful and cheaper. also get a z97 motherboard with the i5 K version cpu for overclocking (you're probably going to need a cpu cooler, too). if you don't plan on overclocking, get the i5 non-K with the h97 motherboard. [editline]1st September 2015[/editline] that power supply is way overkill too, but I'll let other people complain to you about that since I'm not the best with PSUs
[QUOTE=ief014;48593871]get an i5 4690K. it's slightly more powerful and cheaper. also get a z97 motherboard with the i5 K version cpu for overclocking (you're probably going to need a cpu cooler, too). if you don't plan on overclocking, get the i5 non-K with the h97 motherboard. [editline]1st September 2015[/editline] that power supply is way overkill too, but I'll let other people complain to you about that since I'm not the best with PSUs[/QUOTE] As far as the PSU goes I wanted a lot of head room
[QUOTE=Sand Castle;48593970]As far as the PSU goes I wanted a lot of head room[/QUOTE] fair enough, that corsair PSU is on sale on newegg for a decent price, but corsair isn't well known for making premium PSUs. [URL]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817438017[/URL] this guy here is very similar, a little cheaper, yet comes with a 10-year manufacturer warranty. the only way you're going to utilize that PSU is by going SLI.
[QUOTE=Sand Castle;48593970]As far as the PSU goes I wanted a lot of head room[/QUOTE] It's a stupid and unnecessary amount of headroom tbh, grab [URL="http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00UVN20AO/?tag=pcpapi-20"]this[/URL].
[QUOTE=ief014;48594050]fair enough, that corsair PSU is on sale on newegg for a decent price, but corsair isn't well known for making premium PSUs. [URL]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817438017[/URL] this guy here is very similar, a little cheaper, yet comes with a 10-year manufacturer warranty. the only way you're going to utilize that PSU is by going SLI.[/QUOTE] Huh I thought Corsair and Seasonic were supposed to be the best
Better and cheaper. [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/p/HdVCXL]PCPartPicker part list[/url] / [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/p/HdVCXL/by_merchant/]Price breakdown by merchant[/url] [b]CPU:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80646i54690k]Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor[/url] ($239.99 @ Newegg) [b]Motherboard:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gigabyte-motherboard-gaz97mxgaming5]Gigabyte GA-Z97MX-Gaming 5 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard[/url] ($125.98 @ Newegg) [b]Memory:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/crucial-memory-bls2kit8g3d1609ds1s00]Crucial Ballistix Sport 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory[/url] ($77.99 @ Amazon) [b]Storage:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/crucial-internal-hard-drive-ct250mx200ssd6]Crucial MX200 250GB M.2-2260 Solid State Drive[/url] ($94.99 @ Amazon) [b]Video Card:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/evga-video-card-04gp42974kr]EVGA GeForce GTX 970 4GB Superclocked ACX 2.0 Video Card[/url] ($319.99 @ Amazon) [b]Case:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-case-cc9011029ww]Corsair 350D Window MicroATX Mid Tower Case[/url] ($99.99 @ Amazon) [b]Power Supply:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/evga-power-supply-220gs0650v1]EVGA SuperNOVA GS 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply[/url] ($94.99 @ Amazon) [b]Optical Drive:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/lite-on-optical-drive-ihas12414]Lite-On iHAS124-14 DVD/CD Writer[/url] ($18.02 @ Amazon) [b]Wireless Network Adapter:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gigabyte-wireless-network-card-gcwb867di]Gigabyte GC-WB867D-I 802.11a/b/g/n/ac PCI-Express x1 Wi-Fi Adapter[/url] ($32.87 @ Amazon) [b]Monitor:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/acer-monitor-etws0hpa01]Acer S220HQLAbd 60Hz 21.5" Monitor[/url] ($99.99 @ Amazon) [b]Total:[/b] $1204.80 [i]Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available[/i] [i]Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-09-01 14:44 EDT-0400[/i] [I]Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available[/I] [I]Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-09-01 14:43 EDT-0400[/I] [editline]1st September 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Sand Castle;48594105]Huh I thought Corsair and Seasonic were supposed to be the best[/QUOTE] Corsair doesn't make PSU's, they make boxes than cover manufacturer's like Seasonic's units.
[QUOTE=Levelog;48594152]Better and cheaper. [URL="http://pcpartpicker.com/p/HdVCXL"]PCPartPicker part list[/URL] / [URL="http://pcpartpicker.com/p/HdVCXL/by_merchant/"]Price breakdown by merchant[/URL] [B]CPU:[/B] [URL="http://pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80646i54690k"]Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor[/URL] ($239.99 @ Newegg) [B]Motherboard:[/B] [URL="http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gigabyte-motherboard-gaz97mxgaming5"]Gigabyte GA-Z97MX-Gaming 5 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard[/URL] ($125.98 @ Newegg) [B]Memory:[/B] [URL="http://pcpartpicker.com/part/crucial-memory-bls2kit8g3d1609ds1s00"]Crucial Ballistix Sport 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory[/URL] ($77.99 @ Amazon) [B]Storage:[/B] [URL="http://pcpartpicker.com/part/crucial-internal-hard-drive-ct250mx200ssd6"]Crucial MX200 250GB M.2-2260 Solid State Drive[/URL] ($94.99 @ Amazon) [B]Video Card:[/B] [URL="http://pcpartpicker.com/part/evga-video-card-04gp42974kr"]EVGA GeForce GTX 970 4GB Superclocked ACX 2.0 Video Card[/URL] ($319.99 @ Amazon) [B]Case:[/B] [URL="http://pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-case-cc9011029ww"]Corsair 350D Window MicroATX Mid Tower Case[/URL] ($99.99 @ Amazon) [B]Power Supply:[/B] [URL="http://pcpartpicker.com/part/evga-power-supply-220gs0650v1"]EVGA SuperNOVA GS 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply[/URL] ($94.99 @ Amazon) [B]Optical Drive:[/B] [URL="http://pcpartpicker.com/part/lite-on-optical-drive-ihas12414"]Lite-On iHAS124-14 DVD/CD Writer[/URL] ($18.02 @ Amazon) [B]Wireless Network Adapter:[/B] [URL="http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gigabyte-wireless-network-card-gcwb867di"]Gigabyte GC-WB867D-I 802.11a/b/g/n/ac PCI-Express x1 Wi-Fi Adapter[/URL] ($32.87 @ Amazon) [B]Monitor:[/B] [URL="http://pcpartpicker.com/part/acer-monitor-etws0hpa01"]Acer S220HQLAbd 60Hz 21.5" Monitor[/URL] ($99.99 @ Amazon) [B]Total:[/B] $1204.80 [I]Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available[/I] [I]Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-09-01 14:44 EDT-0400[/I] [I]Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available[/I] [I]Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-09-01 14:43 EDT-0400[/I] [editline]1st September 2015[/editline] Corsair doesn't make PSU's, they make boxes than cover manufacturer's like Seasonic's units.[/QUOTE] I edited the parts list from before to exactly that :saxout:
[QUOTE=~Kiwi~v2;48595279]awful psu still and ssd but if thats literally what you can afford go for the amd 8320 machine its your best chance but arma isn't going to run well if ur okay with that[/QUOTE] I'll change the PSU & SSD. I'm ok with Arma not being too smooth. Thanks for your help Kiwi
I'd almost go for the i7 machine over the 8320...
[QUOTE=Levelog;48595640]I'd almost go for the i7 machine over the 8320...[/QUOTE] i would too, that i7 prob does better in games than the 8320
[QUOTE=PonceDeLeon;48596997]i would too, that i7 prob does better in games than the 8320[/QUOTE] Depends on how comfortable he is overclocking. [editline]1st September 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=~Kiwi~v2;48597006]as much as i want to agree the 8320 is probably going to be a tad more efficient lga 1366 is just a dead platform amd is trying to keep am3+ alive[/QUOTE] Are they? Some mobo manufacturers are, but it's a completely dead socket. At least you can pick up a hex core well clocking Xeon for $50 on 1366.
[QUOTE=~Kiwi~v2;48597101]you can but it's still wayyyy behind[/QUOTE] Compared to a 4 module 8320? Not really.
So I'm fucking retarded. I recently bought a zotac 970 from amazon partially for MGSV and mostly because my 650ti boost was showing its age, but turns out the card I bought is one of if not the only 970 that isn't part of the offer. So I have a few options. A. Return the card and get one around the same price (around $315 or so, give or take) that is part of the offer B. Return the card, get my money and order the same one from Newegg because like most other sites except amazon this card is part of the deal. C. Just keep the card and buy MGSV from a keysite Also apparently zotac is a shit brand? I've only read good things about this card on numerous sites, but if anyone has suggestions for a 970 around the same price I'm open to em.
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