• Intel Sandy Bridge - Why you should wait one month for a new PC!
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i just don't "get" sandybridge. a 3.1 ghz i5 costs around the same as a 3.0ghz 6x phenom the i5 is 32nm while the phenom is 45nm, but the phenom has 512kb of L2 cache per core over the i5's 256kb per core is there something im missing here? is 32nm that much better over 45nm? the phenom sound like the better deal
[QUOTE=meppers;27312835]i just don't "get" sandybridge. a 3.1 ghz i5 costs around the same as a 3.0ghz 6x phenom the i5 is 32nm while the phenom is 45nm, but the phenom has 512kb of L2 cache per core over the i5's 256kb per core is there something im missing here? is 32nm that much better over 45nm? the phenom sound like the better deal[/QUOTE] There's more to CPUs than mere specs.
[QUOTE=meppers;27312835]i just don't "get" sandybridge. a 3.1 ghz i5 costs around the same as a 3.0ghz 6x phenom the i5 is 32nm while the phenom is 45nm, but the phenom has 512kb of L2 cache per core over the i5's 256kb per core is there something im missing here? is 32nm that much better over 45nm? the phenom sound like the better deal[/QUOTE] Hyper threading and design go a long way. Look at benchmarks instead of specs.
$225 - i5 2500k $150 - 1155 mobo $50 - 4GB DDR3 [b]$425 - Total[/b] My funds: $250 :frown: In any case, the 2500k is the best choice for a computer primarily for gaming, correct? The features of the i7 2600k would be wasted in that case, right?
[QUOTE=ChristopherB;27313153]$225 - i5 2500k $150 - 1156 mobo $50 - 4GB DDR3 [b]$425 - Total[/b] My funds: $250 :frown: In any case, the 2500k is the best choice for a computer primarily for gaming, correct? The features of the i7 2600k would be wasted in that case, right?[/QUOTE] I think you mean a 1155 motherboard.
[QUOTE=Kialtia;27313212]I think you mean a 1155 motherboard.[/QUOTE] Oops. Yes, you're right.
[QUOTE=ChristopherB;27308094]More like market segregation. Intel has been a large company in their market for quite a while now. This move just allows them to cater CPUs to different end users; not all consumers need the ability to overclock.[/QUOTE] If you don't need overclocking, don't use it. Most people don't need a lot of advanced stuff, doesn't mean you should lock them out.
[QUOTE=johan_sm;27315640]If you don't need overclocking, don't use it. Most people don't need a lot of advanced stuff, doesn't mean you should lock them out.[/QUOTE] If they aren't going to use all of those advanced features why make them pay extra for them? It's the same reason why they offer i5 and i7 processors; not everyone needs all the bells and whistles. If every CPU they sold had the features (eg. Hyperthreading) of the i7 it would be more expensive for the majority of consumers.
[QUOTE=ChristopherB;27315826]If they aren't going to use all of those advanced features why make them pay extra for them? It's the same reason why they offer i5 and i7 processors; not everyone needs all the bells and whistles. If every CPU they sold had the features (eg. Hyperthreading) of the i7 it would be more expensive for the majority of consumers.[/QUOTE] Overclocking is not some complicated feature that requires money to produce. You can, or atleast could overclock any cpu, now they think it's a good idea to lock it out. Stupid
[QUOTE=ChristopherB;27315826]If they aren't going to use all of those advanced features why make them pay extra for them? It's the same reason why they offer i5 and i7 processors; not everyone needs all the bells and whistles. If every CPU they sold had the features (eg. Hyperthreading) of the i7 it would be more expensive for the majority of consumers.[/QUOTE] If you took all of the SB i5s, you might notice the biggest price difference is like 40$, so why are they locked? If they were all unlocked they would still cost the same and they wouldn't have to use the features anyways
I'm just wondering here, but how many of you actually bought a Sandy Bridge processor/mobo?
[QUOTE=Jaehead;27317115]I'm just wondering here, but how many of you actually bought a Sandy Bridge processor/mobo?[/QUOTE] I will in the next few days
[QUOTE=Jaehead;27317115]I'm just wondering here, but how many of you actually bought a Sandy Bridge processor/mobo?[/QUOTE] I'm going to in a few days. Ninja (??) :v:
[QUOTE=Jaehead;27317115]I'm just wondering here, but how many of you actually bought a Sandy Bridge processor/mobo?[/QUOTE] I did. [media]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3965132/shit%20past%201013/puraches.png[/media] [editline]9th January 2011[/editline] Also what? [quote="Newegg Package Tracker"]01/08/2011 02:52:00 LOCATION SCAN[I] ONTARIO, CA, US[/quote] [editline]9th January 2011[/editline] If you're wondering what I got: [media]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3965132/shit%20past%201013/stuff.png[/media]
[QUOTE=johan_sm;27316449]Overclocking is not some complicated feature that requires money to produce. You can, or atleast could overclock any cpu, now they think it's a good idea to lock it out. Stupid[/QUOTE] Intel has always offered some kind of difference between products in terms of overclocking. Take, for example, the "Extreme" editions that have unlocked multipliers; people happily pay a load of money for what some view an insignificant return. I'm not that familiar with the changes they have made in Sandy Bridge, but it seems like changing the multiplier is one of the few options people have left for even performing overclocking. So perhaps this is the only way they can differentiate between models. You choose to see it as them charging extra for a feature that was previously free; I choose to see it as a way to offer CPUs that cater to the needs of different users, and in particular, to offer a cheaper CPU to people that have no need or desire to overclock. [quote]If you took all of the SB i5s, you might notice the biggest price difference is like 40$, so why are they locked?[/quote] By that logic, if you feel the price difference is so marginal, then why complain about it? Perhaps there is more to the unlocked CPUs than just that. They could be higher binned CPUs meaning they can achieve higher overclocks or at least more stable overclocks.
Would 1156 aftermarket coolers fit on 1155?
[QUOTE=Jaehead;27318881]Would 1156 aftermarket coolers fit on 1155?[/QUOTE] Yes, the holes are the same. I scored a Corsair A50 for $26.99 that was on clearance at a local Best Buy :v:
[QUOTE=ManningQB18;27312825]Are they the only ones? I'm really looking forward to EFI, and don't want to end up getting the old BIOS when I boot.[/QUOTE] I have no idea.
What's the big deal with EFI? I've been out of the loop for a while, and my board is coming with it, is it a BIOS replacement?
[QUOTE=Zombii;27319792]What's the big deal with EFI? I've been out of the loop for a while, and my board is coming with it, is it a BIOS replacement?[/QUOTE] I believe it is a form of BIOS that allows you to use a mouse, amongst other features.
Wait, in games such as Civilization 5 (and other such turn based games), would an i7 have an advantage over an i5 (I mean more than in normal games)? Afterall, when you get to turn 300-something, every end of turn is just a shittonne of number-crunching for the AI decisions and stuff right? So I wonder if an i7 might be worth it for CPU heavy games like Civ5. Can't find any benchmarks for the new SBs on Civ5.
[QUOTE=acds;27324400]Wait, in games such as Civilization 5 (and other such turn based games), would an i7 have an advantage over an i5 (I mean more than in normal games)? Afterall, when you get to turn 300-something, every end of turn is just a shittonne of number-crunching for the AI decisions and stuff right? So I wonder if an i7 might be worth it for CPU heavy games like Civ5. Can't find any benchmarks for the new SBs on Civ5.[/QUOTE] I doubt Civ5 uses more than 4 threads, so no, it wouldn't benefit from it.
I don't know i think it would be a better idea to wait for amd to release bulldozer and then take a look at them which one of them performs better.
[QUOTE=ChristopherB;27320765]I believe it is a form of BIOS that allows you to use a mouse, amongst other features.[/QUOTE] Boot time is also a hell of a lot faster.
[QUOTE=Jimmylaw;27310459]Do I get this pre-overclocked package. [media]http://i967.photobucket.com/albums/ae154/chrismelling/oc.png[/media] Or this package that I put together myself that has far better components. [media]http://i967.photobucket.com/albums/ae154/chrismelling/scan.png[/media][/QUOTE] I honestly don't understand why you are getting such goddamn expensive RAM. If you absolutely need 8GB, at least get only 1333MHz cheaper! And get a better motherboard. Cut down the RAM to something like 4GB, and get either of these motherboards: MSI P67A-GD55 Gigabyte GA-P67A-UD3P ASRock Extreme4 P67 [editline]10th January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=ManningQB18;27306944]You linked the second one twice Also, do these have EFI. I heard that it was a requirement for the 1155 boards, but I also heard that some manufacturers were getting out of it and putting the old BIOS in anyway.[/QUOTE] I don't know, but I definitely know that all of the ASUS P67 Motherboards have EFI. [editline]10th January 2011[/editline] However, the ASRock Extreme 4 also has an EFI. And it's a better motherboard for the price.
[QUOTE=Strikebango;27325638]I don't know i think it would be a better idea to wait for amd to release bulldozer and then take a look at them which one of them performs better.[/QUOTE] It always pays to wait, but you don't want to be waiting forever. If you can stand being without an upgrade for a few months then you should wait.
Fucking page bug, AVAST YE PAGE 13! Nvm lol. Would my Arctic Cooling 7 Pro fit into a 1155 board?
MSI have "New UEFI BIOS with graphical menu" So its a EFI right? [editline]10th January 2011[/editline] MSI P67A-GD55 Intel P67 £ 133.55 Is there a better mobo that is P67 for that price?
[img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/20632/bits.png[/img] Before i buy anything, just want you guys to double check stuff. Still not 100% on the ram, although its got good reviews. Anything i should know about that motherboard?
[QUOTE=Scotty.;27327593]Fucking page bug, AVAST YE PAGE 13! Nvm lol. Would my Arctic Cooling 7 Pro fit into a 1155 board?[/QUOTE] if it supports 1156 it supports 1155
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