General Linux Chat and Small Questions v. Year of the Linux Desktop! - Hardware & Software

Except don't use Linux mint if you want any notion of security or a good DE.

[QUOTE=ballads;50806546]whats the best distro for my specs? [IMG]https://i.imgur.com/mLmK8AU.png[/IMG][/QUOTE] Past a certain point, specs stop mattering when selecting a distro. And you are well beyond that point. The question now becomes, what do you intend to do with this computer once you've installed Linux?

[QUOTE=ballads;50809051]Mostly figuring it out and such [editline]1st August 2016[/editline] Some games too[/QUOTE] Definitely an Ubuntu variant then if you want to do gaming. It's kind of the 'standard' thanks to Valve/Steam only officially supporting Ubuntu. If you don't mind fucking around you could always try Manjaro out, too, which even comes with some Steam compatibility stuff for using native libs instead of the dated ones coming with Steam.

[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;50789501]XFCE is driving me mad over here. [t]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7333627/pics/XFCEWoes.png[/t] So, my idea is to center the weather and time up there in the middle, and I want open windows to be moved to the bottom dock. Two problems: One, how the fuck do I center something in a panel? My current plan is actually to use three panels; the first and third ones are at 25% width, and the middle one is at 50% width. Then I use two separators on the middle one set to expand to center them exactly in the middle of the screen. Frustratingly, however, the third panel appears to be exactly one pixel off, probably due to some stupid rounding error somewhere. Is there a workaround here, maybe somewhere where I can manually assign a precise pixel width? Two, is there a way I can make a launcher icon become a window icon when I open an app from there? Look at my bottom here, the Firefox shortcut exists but I have a Firefox window open, so that's forced to be a separate icon. How would I consolidate that? (A fix for the hideous Steam icon would also be nice but not a top priority because I usually don't keep it open.) [editline]28th July 2016[/editline] I found a thing called DockbarX which may solve the second problem.[/QUOTE] easy peasy. At the start of stuff you want in the middle put a separator with expand ticked, and then at the end of the stuff you want in the middle put a separator with expand ticked. you can do that all with one panel so I don't know why you're using three So the order from above looks to be, in one panel, have whisker menu, then a separator with expand, then weather and clock, then another separator with expand, then all the rest of your shit As for your second problem, no there is no way of doing that in XFCE. My recommendation would be to replace your bottom panel with plank and theme it which is pretty lightweight and much more functional Also for your icon problem default system icon themes often are pretty uggo so I'd recommend finding a cool icon theme you like and installing it instead, looks pretty nice and you get the advantage of no disgusting icons. Moka, Numix and Ultra-Flat are considered to be pretty good man I'm late oops oh well

[QUOTE=ballads;50809051][B]Mostly figuring it out and such[/B] [editline]1st August 2016[/editline] Some games too[/QUOTE] You should walk the dark path I do [sp]the path of distro-hopping endlessly[/sp]

[QUOTE=thelurker1234;50809462]You should walk the dark path I do [sp]the path of distro-hopping endlessly[/sp][/QUOTE] I know that problem. Except now I'm DE hopping. Budgie has my attention, currently.

Okay, so I got Arch Linux installed, got GRUB installed successfully on my PC's EFI partiton, got GRUB to chainload the Windows bootloader successfully, but there seems to be no option to boot Arch Linux in GRUB. What incredibly obvious detail might I have missed this time?

[QUOTE=daigennki;50810691]Okay, so I got Arch Linux installed, got GRUB installed successfully on my PC's EFI partiton, got GRUB to chainload the Windows bootloader successfully, but there seems to be no option to boot Arch Linux in GRUB. What incredibly obvious detail might I have missed this time?[/QUOTE] did you run grub-mkconfig? It should just-werk™. Even with windows I think, it should just detect it and be good. You also will want to have os-prober installed. [QUOTE=ballads;50810693]Manjaro?[/QUOTE] Arch linux, with a few changes. It has a nice installer, some software unique to manjaro like its gui managers to do things with, and it holds packages for a week or so to make sure they're stable.

Can always download it using torrents, which is usually recommended because it's faster and if you want to you can let it seed for a bit to be helpful. edit: oh wait. the torrents are on sourceforge too

[QUOTE=thelurker1234;50810860]did you run grub-mkconfig? It should just-werk™. Even with windows I think, it should just detect it and be good. You also will want to have os-prober installed.[/QUOTE] Yeah, I ran "grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg". I installed os-prober and ran the same command again, nothing. [editline]2nd August 2016[/editline] And yes I had the ESP mounted to /boot. [editline]2nd August 2016[/editline] This is what I get when I do grub-mkconfig, if it matters: [t]http://i.imgur.com/hl5cYfQ.jpg[/t] Again do keep in mind this is a dual boot setup. sda1 is Windows reserved I think, sda2 is the EFI boot partition where GRUB is installed, sda3 another Windows reserved partition, sda4 the primary Windows partition, and sda5 is the primary Arch Linux partition.

[QUOTE=thelurker1234;50811005]edit: oh wait. the torrents are on sourceforge too[/QUOTE] And that's just stupid, zero redundancy for someone who wants to try it out.

For people new to linux that aren't interested in all the nerd crap *buntu and fedora(gnome) are the only options. I'd recommend the ubuntus more than fedora because it's easier to install steam + gpu drivers. [QUOTE=ballads;50811104]:snip:[/QUOTE] You don't need to format the whole drive to install a linux distro, and usually only need 2 partitions: / (root) and swap. The root partition size depends on what the distro recommends (ubuntu says it needs 5 GiB) + the size of whatever you want to install in it. The swap partition is there in case your computer runs out of memory or to hibernate. If you don't think your computer can run out of memory it can be omitted. If you want to use hibernation you need a swap partition at least the size of your RAM. After all the files have been copied to the root partition a bootloader needs to be installed to somewhere depending on your computer's boot method which loads /boot/vmlinuz* (Linux kernel) and /boot/initramfs* ⊕ /boot/initrd* and starts the the OS. [editline]1st August 2016[/editline] You have to if you want to play any games.

Does anybody like to use tiling wms? I use subtle but I feel like there's not much documentation on it.

[QUOTE=~Kiwi~v2;50812287]I've actually always wondered if I'm better off negating swap on my laptop. Hell I don't even go past 2GB.[/QUOTE] Best to have it just in case though I guess, no negative to having some swap for when the time arises

[QUOTE=ballads;50812089]Yeah well its officially working now [editline]1st August 2016[/editline] [code] nvidia-installer log file '/var/log/nvidia-installer.log' creation time: Mon Aug 1 15:23:01 2016 installer version: 367.35 PATH: /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/lib/jvm/default/bin:/usr/bin/site_perl:/usr/bin/vendor_perl:/usr/bin/core_perl nvidia-installer command line: ./nvidia-installer Unable to load: nvidia-installer ncurses v6 user interface Unable to load: nvidia-installer ncurses user interface Using built-in stream user interface -> Detected 4 CPUs online; setting concurrency level to 4. ERROR: An NVIDIA kernel module 'nvidia-modeset' appears to already be loaded in your kernel. This may be because it is in use (for example, by an X server, a CUDA program, or the NVIDIA Persistence Daemon), but this may also happen if your kernel was configured without support for module unloading. Please be sure to exit any programs that may be using the GPU(s) before attempting to upgrade your driver. If no GPU-based programs are running, you know that your kernel supports module unloading, and you still receive this message, then an error may have occured that has corrupted an NVIDIA kernel module's usage count, for which the simplest remedy is to reboot your computer. ERROR: Installation has failed. Please see the file '/var/log/nvidia-installer.log' for details. You may find suggestions on fixing installation problems in the README available on the Linux driver download page at www.nvidia.com. [/code] do you have to install nvidia drivers.[/QUOTE] Yes, read this: [url]https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia[/url] Never install packages/applications outside your package manager!

[QUOTE=ballads;50812873]Okay also can i install grub on my windows drive or will it fuck shit up[/QUOTE] Yes grub should handle windows just fine. It's just the opposite doesn't work out. Windows installed before Linux is the way to go. [editline]1st August 2016[/editline] As long as you've got an empty partition for all your linux shit you should be fine is what installing Linux on a drive with Windows boils down to.

EFI?

[QUOTE=proboardslol;50812331]Does anybody like to use tiling wms? I use subtle but I feel like there's not much documentation on it.[/QUOTE] I do, typically xmonad or bspwm. Subtle looks pretty interesting, just glancing over the arch wiki page's description. Perhaps I might see about building it under FreeBSD since it doesn't appear that anyone has made a port yet. Got a screenshot, or even better, a video?

[QUOTE=~Kiwi~v2;50812904]Hey has anyone got any recommendations for a ram drive on Linux. I wanna play around with the idea of moving or the possibility of booting from it if I can keep my extra packages away from the ram disk but have core ones load from the RAM drive.[/QUOTE] is it possible at all to boot from a RAM disk? wouldn't that be wiped clean on every reboot anyway? if there's a thing for this, then I suppose it moves the boot files / copies to the RAM disk but wouldn't the point be kinda void since it'd have to pull the files needed to boot from a storage drive anyway?

Well then, decided to use systemd-boot instead of grub and now everything works like a charm. :toot: Now, I am trying to launch Steam but nothing happens and Steam does not start when I double click the icon. What might be going on?

[QUOTE=daigennki;50815976]:snip:[/QUOTE] Start it from a terminal and post the output. It's probably the bundled libraries.

[QUOTE=initrd;50816042]Start it from a terminal and post the output. It's probably the bundled libraries.[/QUOTE] [code]/home/newuser/.local/share/Steam/steam.sh: 行 161: VERSION_ID: 未割り当ての変数です /home/newuser/.local/share/Steam/steam.sh: 行 161: VERSION_ID: 未割り当ての変数です Running Steam on arch 64-bit /home/newuser/.local/share/Steam/steam.sh: 行 161: VERSION_ID: 未割り当ての変数です STEAM_RUNTIME is enabled automatically Installing breakpad exception handler for appid(steam)/version(0) libGL error: unable to load driver: radeonsi_dri.so libGL error: driver pointer missing libGL error: failed to load driver: radeonsi libGL error: unable to load driver: radeonsi_dri.so libGL error: driver pointer missing libGL error: failed to load driver: radeonsi libGL error: unable to load driver: swrast_dri.so libGL error: failed to load driver: swrast[/code] Looks like I might be missing some drivers?

[QUOTE=daigennki;50816113][code]/home/newuser/.local/share/Steam/steam.sh: 行 161: VERSION_ID: 未割り当ての変数です /home/newuser/.local/share/Steam/steam.sh: 行 161: VERSION_ID: 未割り当ての変数です Running Steam on arch 64-bit /home/newuser/.local/share/Steam/steam.sh: 行 161: VERSION_ID: 未割り当ての変数です STEAM_RUNTIME is enabled automatically Installing breakpad exception handler for appid(steam)/version(0) libGL error: unable to load driver: radeonsi_dri.so libGL error: driver pointer missing libGL error: failed to load driver: radeonsi libGL error: unable to load driver: radeonsi_dri.so libGL error: driver pointer missing libGL error: failed to load driver: radeonsi libGL error: unable to load driver: swrast_dri.so libGL error: failed to load driver: swrast[/code] Looks like I might be missing some drivers?[/QUOTE] Usually a 32-bit package called mesa-dri-drivers [editline]2nd August 2016[/editline] lib32-mesa on Arch

[QUOTE=Adam.GameDev;50816122]Usually a 32-bit package called mesa-dri-drivers [editline]2nd August 2016[/editline] lib32-mesa on Arch[/QUOTE] make sure to enable multilib, because if you don't you just won't find anything. You comment it out in your pacman.conf

[QUOTE=Adam.GameDev;50816122]Usually a 32-bit package called mesa-dri-drivers [editline]2nd August 2016[/editline] lib32-mesa on Arch[/QUOTE] Odd, seems that I already have that. I should have mentioned, distro is Arch Linux (as you might have figured out), desktop environment is Cinnamon, and the graphics card is AMD Radeon R9 390. [editline]2nd August 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=thelurker1234;50816154]make sure to enable multilib, because if you don't you just won't find anything. You comment it out in your pacman.conf[/QUOTE] Yes, I already did that.

[QUOTE=~Kiwi~v2;50815709]:snip:[/QUOTE] Booting from a software ramdisk seems a bit useless. IIrc in linux there's 3 kinds of ramdisks: Ramfs which is just plain ramdisk built on the fs cache. Tmpfs which is a ramdisk that can be swapped to disk. Zram which is a compressed block device living in ram that can be formatted with a filesystem. What /boot/initramfs means is left as an exercise to the reader. Linux has a file cache in ram so ramdisks may be pointless depending on what you want to do. readahead and cat $file >> /dev/null can load a file into the cache and google tells me vmtouch can keep a file in the cache. There's no "Program files" in linux, instead programs are generally installed into several folders (/bin, /etc, /lib) so it's not as easy to put them into a ramdisk as windows, i believe.

[QUOTE=daigennki;50816157]Odd, seems that I already have that. I should have mentioned, distro is Arch Linux (as you might have figured out), desktop environment is Cinnamon, and the graphics card is AMD Radeon R9 390. [editline]2nd August 2016[/editline] Yes, I already did that.[/QUOTE] Oooh. Yeah. You have this issue I think: [URL]https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Steam/Troubleshooting#Steam_runtime_issues[/URL] I have to run that command every time I install steam

Sometimes there's issues with libstdc++, try running [code]LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 steam[/code] [editline]2nd August 2016[/editline] If you add it to the top of /usr/bin/steam then it stops being such a problem, on Fedora at least

[QUOTE=Adam.GameDev;50816187]Sometimes there's issues with libstdc++, try running [code]LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 steam[/code] [editline]2nd August 2016[/editline] If you add it to the top of /usr/bin/steam then it stops being such a problem, on Fedora at least[/QUOTE] Did this and it works perfectly now. Thank you!

Okay, I now want to access the files in the Windows partition from linux, but it keeps on saying that it cannot mount it because Windows is hibernated, which is odd because I clearly remember shutting down Windows properly and disabling fast boot. What is up with that?