General Linux Chat and Small Questions v. Year of the Linux Desktop!

[BryBreadmin]

[QUOTE=Larikang;50867599]I don't do native runtime because most of the dependencies are only available in the AUR. Maintaining that huge list of packages or using an unofficial repo just isn't worth it when a simple environment variable export does the job.

I have noticed that even with LD_PRELOAD it can take several minutes for steam to start sometimes. There's really no reason why it should have stopped working for you. Perhaps you need to add more libs to LD_PRELOAD?[/QUOTE]

Just use the steam-libs AUR package; it handles that all for you. I prefer to use system-installed libs anyway since most of the ones included with Steam are outdated.

[mastersrp]

[QUOTE=Larikang;50867599]I don't do native runtime because most of the dependencies are only available in the AUR. Maintaining that huge list of packages or using an unofficial repo just isn't worth it when a simple environment variable export does the job.

I have noticed that even with LD_PRELOAD it can take several minutes for steam to start sometimes. There's really no reason why it should have stopped working for you. Perhaps you need to add more libs to LD_PRELOAD?[/QUOTE]

Is this an Arch issue? Back when I used Void Linux on my old desktop, Steam would start in less than 5 seconds, and on my current system, using Sabayon, it still does.

[daigennki]

[QUOTE=initrd;50861811]Could also be inside ~/.local/share/xorg/.[/QUOTE]

Found it.

xorg.0.log:

[    12.911] (--) Log file renamed from "/home/newuser/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.pid-758.log" to "/home/newuser/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log"
[    12.913] 
X.Org X Server 1.18.4
Release Date: 2016-07-19
[    12.913] X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0
[    12.913] Build Operating System: Linux 4.5.4-1-ARCH x86_64 
[    12.913] Current Operating System: Linux BUILT-160126-ARCH 4.6.4-1-ARCH #1 SMP PREEMPT Mon Jul 11 19:12:32 CEST 2016 x86_64
[    12.913] Kernel command line: initrd=\initramfs-linux.img root=PARTUUID=672144fc-39cd-4416-8c61-b5e5511c59a0 rw
[    12.913] Build Date: 19 July 2016  05:54:24PM
[    12.913]  
[    12.913] Current version of pixman: 0.34.0
[    12.913] 	Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org
	to make sure that you have the latest version.
[    12.913] Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting,
	(++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational,
	(WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
[    12.913] (==) Log file: "/home/newuser/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log", Time: Fri Aug 12 10:58:00 2016
[    12.913] (==) Using config directory: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d"
[    12.913] (==) Using system config directory "/usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d"
[    12.914] Parse error on line 1 of section InputClass in file /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-radeon.conf
	"Option" is not a valid keyword in this section.
[    12.914] (EE) Problem parsing the config file
[    12.914] (EE) Error parsing the config file
[    12.914] (EE) 
Fatal server error:
[    12.914] (EE) no screens found(EE) 
[    12.914] (EE) 
Please consult the The X.Org Foundation support 
	 at http://wiki.x.org
 for help. 
[    12.914] (EE) Please also check the log file at "/home/newuser/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log" for additional information.
[    12.914] (EE) 
[    12.914] (EE) Server terminated with error (1). Closing log file.

Looks like my config file is borked. What do I do?

[editline]12th August 2016[/editline]

Wow I am an idiot, seems I misconfigured 20-radeon.conf. I cleared that, works now. Sorry. :pcrepair:

[larikang]

[QUOTE=mastersrp;50868759]Is this an Arch issue? Back when I used Void Linux on my old desktop, Steam would start in less than 5 seconds, and on my current system, using Sabayon, it still does.[/QUOTE]
I think the slow start is when Steam is updating, it's just unnerving because when the runtime is fucking up it hangs indefinitely and it can be hard to tell the difference.

But with LD_PRELOAD it normally starts very quickly.

[Number-41]

Ok so it's 2016 and increasing my scroll speed is still supposed to happen like [URL="http://askubuntu.com/questions/285689/increase-mouse-wheel-scroll-speed/304653"]this[/URL]?

[AG]

[QUOTE=Number-41;50888931]Ok so it's 2016 and increasing my scroll speed is still supposed to happen like [URL="http://askubuntu.com/questions/285689/increase-mouse-wheel-scroll-speed/304653"]this[/URL]?[/QUOTE]

Untill someone makes it happen a different way that's how it'll stay. Why not post a suggestion to a dev team?
Then again that post is from 2013, there probably is another way.

[Trafficman]

[QUOTE=Number-41;50888931]Ok so it's 2016 and increasing my scroll speed is still supposed to happen like [URL="http://askubuntu.com/questions/285689/increase-mouse-wheel-scroll-speed/304653"]this[/URL]?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TrafficMan;50507820][t]http://i.imgur.com/Rmw6OJN.jpg[/t][/QUOTE]

[lavacano]

[QUOTE=Number-41;50888931]Ok so it's 2016 and increasing my scroll speed is still supposed to happen like [URL="http://askubuntu.com/questions/285689/increase-mouse-wheel-scroll-speed/304653"]this[/URL]?[/QUOTE]

[quote=The Top Answer]In the future this will be fixed with libinput [b]and the systemd hardware database.[/b][/quote]

good god, i nearly had a heart attack

i had to double check libinput's dependencies to make sure this wasn't going to be a hard systemd dependency

[Number-41]

[QUOTE=TrafficMan;50889586][/QUOTE]

Yeah I get the whole DIY mentality a Linux user's supposed to have, but this is just cumbersome. I'm too lazy to do it like that. :v:

[lavacano]

[QUOTE=Number-41;50894017]Yeah I get the whole DIY mentality a Linux user's supposed to have, but this is just cumbersome. I'm too lazy to do it like that. :v:[/QUOTE]

I think part of the reason it's like that is because you usually only have to change it once, if ever, so there isn't a whole lot of incentive to expose a user-friendly interface for it.

[Sgt. Napalm]

[t]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7333627/pics/Screenshot%20from%202016-08-16%2018-16-05.png[/t]

I'm finally giving Gnome a real try. I actually kinda like it? It's growing on me.
Performance sucks on this ancient laptop though.

[editline]16th August 2016[/editline]

[QUOTE=Number-41;50894017]Yeah I get the whole DIY mentality a Linux user's supposed to have, but this is just cumbersome. I'm too lazy to do it like that. :v:[/QUOTE]

If people want Linux to be a mainstream thing competing with Windows and Mac on a user level, this mentality needs to die.

[BryBreadmin]

[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;50897389][t]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7333627/pics/Screenshot%20from%202016-08-16%2018-16-05.png[/t]

I'm finally giving Gnome a real try. I actually kinda like it? It's growing on me.
Performance sucks on this ancient laptop though.

[editline]16th August 2016[/editline]

If people want Linux to be a mainstream thing competing with Windows and Mac on a user level, this mentality needs to die.[/QUOTE]

I really wish Mac products weren't absurdly expensive; it sure would be nice to have a nice, stable, UNIX-based system that doesn't suffer from being a collection of mostly homebrew open source projects [I]and[/I] doesn't cost over $1,000 for a low performance computer.

[Thelurker1234]

[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;50897389][t]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7333627/pics/Screenshot from 2016-08-16 18-16-05.png[/t]

I'm finally giving Gnome a real try. I actually kinda like it? It's growing on me.
Performance sucks on this ancient laptop though.

[editline]16th August 2016[/editline]

If people want Linux to be a mainstream thing competing with Windows and Mac on a user level, this mentality needs to die.[/QUOTE]

It kind of is, with a lot of things getting easier and easier. Hopefully both aspects are retained. If you want to go in deep and fuck with things, you can still do it reasonably. But most users wont have to bother.

Honestly I'd even say Linux could be mainstream now if it came with more laptops. Ubuntu, for the average person (the average person isn't a gamer, photoshop user, etc.), would work perfectly fine.

[QUOTE=Dr. Evilcop;50899057]I really wish Mac products weren't absurdly expensive; it sure would be nice to have a nice, stable, UNIX-based system that doesn't suffer from being a collection of mostly homebrew open source projects [I]and[/I] doesn't cost over $1,000 for a low performance computer.[/QUOTE]

I'm curious on what you mean. If you want to make macs really unix-ey you install homebrew to install much of the same software. Otherwise MacOS is pretty distant from Unix.

[BryBreadmin]

[QUOTE=thelurker1234;50899211]It kind of is, with a lot of things getting easier and easier. Hopefully both aspects are retained. If you want to go in deep and fuck with things, you can still do it reasonably. But most users wont have to bother.

Honestly I'd even say Linux could be mainstream now if it came with more laptops. Ubuntu, for the average person (the average person isn't a gamer, photoshop user, etc.), would work perfectly fine.

I'm curious on what you mean. If you want to make macs really unix-ey you install homebrew to install much of the same software. Otherwise MacOS is pretty distant from Unix.[/QUOTE]

In terms of system setup and "it just werks"-ness. As far as programming and productivity environments go Linux is already the best option IMO, but the end-user experience is still seriously lacking in many areas.

Of course it does get better with every update of certain distros like Ubuntu, like you said

[Sgt. Napalm]

Why do people call Fedora not a good beginner distribution? I'm finding it at least as easy to use as any *buntu I've ever used. DNF is really no problem to use at all, it's at least as easy as APT.

[Lyokanthrope]

[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;50899830]Why do people call Fedora not a good beginner distribution? I'm finding it at least as easy to use as any *buntu I've ever used. DNF is really no problem to use at all, it's at least as easy as APT.[/QUOTE]

It doesn't include any non-free stuff in it's default repos, that's really the main thing.

[Van-man]

[QUOTE=Lyokanthrope;50899983]It doesn't include any non-free stuff in it's default repos, that's really the main thing.[/QUOTE]

And not as big selection of third-party repositories for some things.

[Thelurker1234]

[QUOTE=Van-man;50900036]And not as big selection of third-party repositories for some things.[/QUOTE]

I don't think I've ever had rpmfusion fail me.

I also think it could be target audience. Ubuntu, mint, and manjaro specifically target new people. What follows that of course is a community dedicated to helping those sorts of people, and tutorials/documentation. Fedora's community is helpful and there's good information but perhaps it's not as targeted at new linux users. A lot like debian I'd say.

It's still my goto beginner distro recommendation for people that are decently computer literate, and it's worked out just fine for the people I've recced it to so long as I teach them how to get packages.

[Killervalon]

[QUOTE=thelurker1234;50899211]Honestly I'd even say Linux could be mainstream now if it came with more laptops. Ubuntu, for the average person (the average person isn't a gamer, photoshop user, etc.), would work perfectly fine.
[/QUOTE]

Most that fall into that group usually have some sort of association with Office, and whilst LibreOffice exists - it's not the same, and heck - some people can't figure out how to use Office 2013 after having used 2007 or 2010.

[ichiman94]

[QUOTE=Killervalon;50900526]some people can't figure out how to use Office 2013 after having used 2007 or 2010.[/QUOTE]

how is that even possible? :wideeye:

they are literally the same with some color changes, with the 2010 being the closest/exact same layout

[helifreak]

[QUOTE=ichiman94;50900702]how is that even possible? :wideeye:

they are literally the same with some color changes, with the 2010 being the closest/exact same layout[/QUOTE]

2007 has the classic interface, 2010+ has ribbons. If someone gets confused between 2010 and 2013's interface there is something wrong with them though.

[ichiman94]

2007 is ribbons too.

[t]http://adod.idrc.ocad.ca/sites/adod.idrc.ocad.ca/files/PowerPoint2007_2.png[/t]

2003 is the classic which libreoffice looks like.

I was alive right in time when we learned Office 2003 in elementary school, and then Office 2010 in high school. Office 2013 for school leaving exams. Libreoffice at home.

It doesn't take any effort to get used to either of the user interfaces when you know what you want to do.

[Killervalon]

[QUOTE=helifreak;50900714]2007 has the classic interface, 2010+ has ribbons. If someone gets confused between 2010 and 2013's interface there is something wrong with them though.[/QUOTE]

Eh, you haven't used Office 2013 before then. Hitting the file button alone reveals a whole new ui - leaving things in places that makes sense for some, but in companies requires a training course (I speak of experience).

It's not bad, it's better IMO - but it's different. Like XP and 7 was different.

[helifreak]

[QUOTE=ichiman94;50900773]2007 is ribbons too.

[t]http://adod.idrc.ocad.ca/sites/adod.idrc.ocad.ca/files/PowerPoint2007_2.png[/t]

2003 is the classic which libreoffice looks like.

I was alive right in time when we learned Office 2003 in elementary school, and then Office 2010 in high school. Office 2013 for school leaving exams. Libreoffice at home.

It doesn't take any effort to get used to either of the user interfaces when you know what you want to do.[/QUOTE]

Ah my bad. Christ Vista era was hideous.

[Sgt. Napalm]

[QUOTE=Lyokanthrope;50899983]It doesn't include any non-free stuff in it's default repos, that's really the main thing.[/QUOTE]

True, but like thelurker1234 said you can just grab RPMFusion, which is as easy as a few mouse clicks. Steam, Dropbox, KeepassX, everything I needed was in there. Maybe some niche stuff is missing but if you're niche you're probably not a beginner to begin with.

[SocMinarch]

I'm trying to write a script that creates an Ubuntu chroot, but it complains that I don't have permission to create files even though I'm running the commands with sudo

Relevant code:

sudo rm etc/apt/sources.list
sudo echo "deb http://mirror.ovh.net/ubuntu/ xenial main" > etc/apt/sources.list

sudo rm etc/resolv.conf
sudo echo "nameserver	192.168.1.254" > etc/resolv.conf

Errors:

./cloud.sh: 25: ./cloud.sh: cannot create etc/apt/sources.list: Permission denied
./cloud.sh: 28: ./cloud.sh: cannot create etc/resolv.conf: Permission denied

[editline]17th August 2016[/editline]

Script is running on Ubuntu 16.04 if that helps

[Nutcake]

Does it even ask for your root password like that? Usually you should not put 'sudo' inside of scripts but instead just run the whole script as root.
Also if thats your whole script, you forgot the shebang. Won't change anything but I just thought I'd mention it. :v:

[mastersrp]

[QUOTE=Adam.GameDev;50903477]I'm trying to write a script that creates an Ubuntu chroot, but it complains that I don't have permission to create files even though I'm running the commands with sudo

Relevant code:

sudo rm etc/apt/sources.list
sudo echo "deb http://mirror.ovh.net/ubuntu/ xenial main" > etc/apt/sources.list

sudo rm etc/resolv.conf
sudo echo "nameserver	192.168.1.254" > etc/resolv.conf

Errors:

./cloud.sh: 25: ./cloud.sh: cannot create etc/apt/sources.list: Permission denied
./cloud.sh: 28: ./cloud.sh: cannot create etc/resolv.conf: Permission denied

[editline]17th August 2016[/editline]

Script is running on Ubuntu 16.04 if that helps[/QUOTE]

What you're seeing is a little sideefffect of how your shell handles redirection. The command

sudo echo "deb http://mirror.ovh.net/ubuntu/ xenial main" 

is executed as root, and then > etc/apt/sources.list is not. Why? Because the redirection happens _before_ the command is executed. The file is opened first, and then the command is executed, so it is opened with those permissions, not those of root.

[Sgt. Napalm]

[lmontgomery@felicity-laptop ~]$ wine ~/.wine/drive_c/Program\ Files\ \(x86\)/Steam/Steam.exe
fixme:winediag:start_process Wine Staging 1.9.16 is a testing version containing experimental patches.
fixme:winediag:start_process Please mention your exact version when filing bug reports on winehq.org.
fixme:service:scmdatabase_autostart_services Auto-start service L"MountMgr" failed to start: 2
wine: Bad EXE format for C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\Steam.exe.

Do you guys have any hot tips for someone who can't into Wine? Going crazy trying to run Steam over here.

[Anderen2]

[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;50907280]

[lmontgomery@felicity-laptop ~]$ wine ~/.wine/drive_c/Program\ Files\ \(x86\)/Steam/Steam.exe
fixme:winediag:start_process Wine Staging 1.9.16 is a testing version containing experimental patches.
fixme:winediag:start_process Please mention your exact version when filing bug reports on winehq.org.
fixme:service:scmdatabase_autostart_services Auto-start service L"MountMgr" failed to start: 2
wine: Bad EXE format for C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\Steam.exe.

Do you guys have any hot tips for someone who can't into Wine? Going crazy trying to run Steam over here.[/QUOTE]

Looks like the Steam.exe file is corrupt. Tried re-downloading?