General Linux Chat and Small Questions v. Year of the Linux Desktop!

[BryBreadmin]

[QUOTE=Ott;50927721][editline]a[/editline]

you are actively hurting the linux community by being this toxic[/QUOTE]

First of all, cool it with the melodrama; second of all, I'm telling you to be realistic. If you can't handle the terminal, then Linux isn't for you. That's the reality of the Linux world, whether it's good or bad, and whether you like it or not. I can't even fathom how a programmer can be unwilling to use the terminal unless you've literally only ever done .NET stuff, but I digress.

[QUOTE=Ott;50927820]I only use cmd.exe for batch file processing and automation. Linux distros need to be the same if I'm going to replace Windows with them.[/QUOTE]

Linux distros are not the same. Why are you even trying to replace Windows if you're just looking for Windows?

Besides, the Windows Powershell is more akin to the Linux terminal (by default using Bash usually) than cmd. Cmd doesn't offer much.

[editline]22nd August 2016[/editline]

[QUOTE=Ott;50927820]It's not like I have a phobia. I have a VPS that I host web/shoutcast/Lua scripting on. Nano is fine. I just prefer to have something to look at.[/QUOTE]

Then refer back to my original recommendation, Xubuntu or Ubuntu. Once you iron out the kinks in your system it's rare you'll -have- to use the terminal for anything unless you want to. The terminal [I]is[/I] faster and better at tons of stuff (particularly in the programming world), but it's up to you at that point.

[Ott]

[QUOTE=Dr. Evilcop;50927853]First of all, cool it with the melodrama; second of all, I'm telling you to be realistic. If you can't handle the terminal, then Linux isn't for you. That's the reality of the Linux world, whether it's good or bad, and whether you like it or not. I can't even fathom how a programmer can be unwilling to use the terminal unless you've literally only ever done .NET stuff, but I digress.

Linux distros are not the same. Why are you even trying to replace Windows if you're just looking for Windows?

Besides, the Windows Powershell is more akin to the Linux terminal (by default using Bash usually) than cmd. Cmd doesn't offer much.[/QUOTE]

Because Windows is going down the shitter. Are you telling me to switch to a Mac? Because Windows and OSX have complete feature parity (with the bonus of a Unix filesystem!). A desktop operating system is a standard. Chrome and Firefox have the same features, OSX and Windows have the same features, so what are Linux distros? Edge? Netscape? A system of plaintext email to make sure no foreign code runs on the machine?

[editline]22nd August 2016[/editline]

[QUOTE=Dr. Evilcop;50927853]Then refer back to my original recommendation, Xubuntu or Ubuntu. Once you iron out the kinks in your system it's rare you'll -have- to use the terminal for anything unless you want to. The terminal [I]is[/I] faster and better at tons of stuff (particularly in the programming world), but it's up to you at that point.[/QUOTE]

I'm going to need one hell of an iron if my last experience was anything to go by.

[BryBreadmin]

I don't see why you seem to be implying that you not using Linux is my loss or something. Using a Mac might honestly be a better fit for you, sure. Macs also have the benefit of having some industry standard applications on it. I'd use a Mac with brew if they weren't so absurdly priced.

I use Linux because it works extremely well for what I need. I don't care at all if you use Linux. I'm telling you, what you're looking for might not be found in a Linux distro. If it doesn't work for you, use something else. There's no need to act like this over it. I also literally cannot do anything else for you other than recommend Xubuntu again. Either you'll like it or you won't. Again, doesn't matter to me.

Also I guarantee your iron will work a lot better if you don't gimp it by avoiding the terminal.

[Thelurker1234]

[QUOTE=Ott;50927880]Because Windows is going down the shitter. Are you telling me to switch to a Mac? Because Windows and OSX have complete feature parity (with the bonus of a Unix filesystem!). A desktop operating system is a standard. Chrome and Firefox have the same features, OSX and Windows have the same features, so what are Linux distros? Edge? Netscape? A system of plaintext email to make sure no foreign code runs on the machine?
[/QUOTE]

What do you mean not at feature parity? What's missing that also isn't missing when comparing all three. MacOS still lacks games, and the games it does have are hampered by garbage drivers. Programmers on it still use the terminal quite a lot. Linux has driver issues which can result in those issues that you need to iron out, but technically, MacOS does too, it's only solved by only buying hardware that is made for it, which CAN be done with Linux too.

A lot of the issues that people complain about lately with Windows are happening to MacOS as well. The whole locking down of the OS thing.

[Ott]

[QUOTE=helifreak;50927166]Android.[/QUOTE]

[url=http://www.jide.com/remixos]That reminds me of something...[/url]

[Thelurker1234]

[QUOTE=Ott;50927917][url=http://www.jide.com/remixos]That reminds me of something...[/url][/QUOTE]

Remix OS is pretty neat but I personally wouldn't touch it with how shady it is with its GPL violations and such.

[vlad]

Give the terminal a shot, I can almost guarantee you that you'll fall in love once you learn it. The terminal makes Linux for me and it's sorely missed every time I'm in Windows.

[larikang]

Apparently it's possible to display color images (and video) in terminals these days: [URL]http://saitoha.github.io/libsixel/[/URL]

Obviously not every terminal emulator supports it, but XTerm supposedly does. I have not yet checked to see if it is enabled by default in Arch.

[b]Edit:[/b] It is enabled in Arch's xterm.

[ichiman94]

It's not just the terminal that makes an OperatingSystem worth some shit. It's the idea that [B][I]everything[/I][/B] you want to see or change on your system can be done through terminal, which is really neat for automations, but crucially it also means that you don't need any video output for basic tasks. You can control everything through a remote text connection, not needing a VNC or stuff to just change the size of your swap file.

Making yourself comfortable with terminal increases your ability to understand and fix any problem, and gets you out of the "if something broke, reinstall the system" mentality.

[Sgt. Napalm]

[QUOTE=PredGD;50928556]Give the terminal a shot, I can almost guarantee you that you'll fall in love once you learn it. The terminal makes Linux for me and it's sorely missed every time I'm in Windows.[/QUOTE]

I can confirm. It's amazing how priorities change. I came from being totally used to Windows, used to going to websites, and downloading the exes. When I first started using Linux I wouldn't touch command line either. Now that I'm used to it, even as a basic user, the command line really is easier. Instead of going through all those steps on Windows to install something, I just gotta type sudo dnf install [program]. If I need to update, I just type sudo dnf upgrade. I never touch the software center now, it's too much effort compared to just using the terminal.

[Levelog]

Sooo apparently when I was clearing out KDE I accidentally cleared out something that broke all my GUI ability. Oops.

[editline]22nd August 2016[/editline]

Fixed. Fucking x11 bullshit.

[FPtje]

I'm gonna install NixOS on my system like tomorrow or the day after.

Wish me luck. I hope to do it without losing my Windows installation. That would be balls because I hate installing Windows on this machine. It's just a shit ton of work.

[drblah]

[QUOTE=FPtje;50930166]I'm gonna install NixOS on my system like tomorrow or the day after.

Wish me luck. I hope to do it without losing my Windows installation. That would be balls because I hate installing Windows on this machine. It's just a shit ton of work.[/QUOTE]

Better make sure to do a Clonezilla first then. It is really worth it IMO.

[Thelurker1234]

[QUOTE=FPtje;50930166]I'm gonna install NixOS on my system like tomorrow or the day after.

Wish me luck. I hope to do it without losing my Windows installation. That would be balls because I hate installing Windows on this machine. It's just a shit ton of work.[/QUOTE]

The NixOS installer is fairly decent. So good luck! But do clonezilla that shit. Or even better, use a separate hard-drive for NixOS.
[sp]and feel your sanity decline as your configuration.nix expands to hundreds, thousands of lines.[/sp]

[lavacano]

[QUOTE=Ott;50927820]I only use cmd.exe for batch file processing and automation.[/QUOTE]

Well that's why you don't like terminals then

It's like complaining that all steaks are terrible when the only "steak" you've had is a tough and moldy prime rib that's been sitting in a truck stop freezer for a year. Once you have a taste of a [b]real[/b] steak (any Linux shell), you'll realize what kind of nonsense statements you've been making.

[Levelog]

So I think I'm actually starting to like KDE a bit... It's been a long time since I've used Linux on something that wasn't a laptop or VM and it just looks damn nice on my 29" IPS ultrawide.

[Thelurker1234]

[QUOTE=Levelog;50932251]So I think I'm actually starting to like KDE a bit... It's been a long time since I've used Linux on something that wasn't a laptop or VM and it just looks damn nice on my 29" IPS ultrawide.[/QUOTE]
Stock KDE, imo, is hideous. But you can do a lot with it. What you rocking with it?

[Levelog]

[QUOTE=thelurker1234;50932358]Stock KDE, imo, is hideous. But you can do a lot with it. What you rocking with it?[/QUOTE]

Still playing a lot with what theme I want.

[Nutcake]

[QUOTE=thelurker1234;50932358]Stock KDE, imo, is hideous. But you can do a lot with it. What you rocking with it?[/QUOTE]

Can you recommend anything? The integrated theme searcher is broken as fuck for me and only has shit tier themes.

[daigennki]

More weird stuff going on with my desktop environment... I am using Cinnamon and am trying to install the Numix-Blue-Cinnamon theme, but the only thing that appears in the Themes settings is the desktop theme, and no option for that theme appears for controls (buttons, checkboxes, etc.) and window border. I looked inside the theme's folder and the theme clearly has content in it for those. Is the theme not compatible with my version of Cinnamon perhaps or is there something else I am not thinking of?

[Killervalon]

I'm having some issues with nginx :'(
I have some vhosts running on HTTPS and thus have this redirecting vhost accompanying.

server {
    server_name example.com;
    listen 80;
    listen [::]:80;
    return 301 https://example.com$request_uri;
}

Well, it works fine. Except I noticed it does some interference on the vhosts I have running that aren't running https. One of them is just for screenshots, so no PHP association. When showing content that exists, perfectly fine. When it doesn't exist (thus a 404?) it uses the redirect shown above? This is really confusing me.

Here's what the screenshot one looks like

server {
    listen 80;
    listen [::]:80;
    server_name screenshots.example2.com;
    root /var/www/screenshots.example2.com;

    location / {
        index  index.html index.htm;
    }
}

[mastersrp]

[QUOTE=Killervalon;50935707]I'm having some issues with nginx :'(
I have some vhosts running on HTTPS and thus have this redirecting vhost accompanying.

server {
    server_name example.com;
    listen 80;
    listen [::]:80;
    return 301 https://example.com$request_uri;
}

Well, it works fine. Except I noticed it does some interference on the vhosts I have running that aren't running https. One of them is just for screenshots, so no PHP association. When showing content that exists, perfectly fine. When it doesn't exist (thus a 404?) it uses the redirect shown above? This is really confusing me.

Here's what the screenshot one looks like

server {
    listen 80;
    listen [::]:80;
    server_name screenshots.example2.com;
    root /var/www/screenshots.example2.com;

    location / {
        index  index.html index.htm;
    }
}

[/QUOTE]

I'm not sure if this is the case, but try adding a location to the former, and redirect there?

[Killervalon]

[QUOTE=mastersrp;50938109]I'm not sure if this is the case, but try adding a location to the former, and redirect there?[/QUOTE]

I'm not sure why I would do that though. Anyways I must have fixed it at some point yesterday and it cached the 301. Works now.. for whatever reason. I'm not sure if it's when I decided to test by removing the listen on ipv6 :s

[mastersrp]

[QUOTE=Killervalon;50940647]I'm not sure why I would do that though. Anyways I must have fixed it at some point yesterday and it cached the 301. Works now.. for whatever reason. I'm not sure if it's when I decided to test by removing the listen on ipv6 :s[/QUOTE]

Did you try that in a different browser? 301 is usually supposed to be cached by browsers, so the server likely did not cache any of it, hence making it only work for you, and not for anyone else.

[Killervalon]

[QUOTE=mastersrp;50941066]Did you try that in a different browser? 301 is usually supposed to be cached by browsers, so the server likely did not cache any of it, hence making it only work for you, and not for anyone else.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I tried with Firefox as well. It's not happening anymore, but I'm not sure what of the things I did fixed it..

[Cakebatyr]

I nearly bought a Chromebook because they were light and can run Linux via crouton, but I didn't realize just how much a lack of a Windows key on a laptop bugged me.

Also the girl at best buy didn't know what Linux was :v:

[ScriptKitt3h]

Just started working on setting up my laptop with Kali Linux running in VirtualBox (since I'm too lazy to setup a proper dual-boot arrangement myself) for my college's cybersecurity club. Here's hoping it doesn't cause the dorm wireless to freak the fuck out...

[Thelurker1234]

Careful, I once installed kali linux in a VM and got a knock on the door just minutes after.

[ichiman94]

There's literally nothing wrong with using Kali Linux (except that it's root everywhere like back in the DOS and winXP days)

[editline]26th August 2016[/editline]

Who knocked on your door?

[BryBreadmin]

[QUOTE=Cakebatyr;50948562]I nearly bought a Chromebook because they were light and can run Linux via crouton, but I didn't realize just how much a lack of a Windows key on a laptop bugged me.

Also the girl at best buy didn't know what Linux was :v:[/QUOTE]

I've had an Acer C720P running ChrUbuntu for a few years now and it's fine. That said, now that there are "Cloudbooks", there's almost no point to buying a Chromebook unless you actually intend to use ChromeOS

[URL="https://www.groupon.com/deals/gg-acer-aspire-one-cloudbook-ao1-431-c8g8"]I got one of these for my frien[/URL]d, slapped Xubuntu on it, and it's been great. Also half the price I paid for my C720P.