General Linux Chat and Small Questions v. Year of the Linux Desktop! - Hardware & Software

Friends don't let friends not use Fedora.

[QUOTE=Levelog;50969362]Friends don't let friends not use Fedora.[/QUOTE] The name these days is just so unfortunate.

[QUOTE=Protocol7;50969412]The name these days is just so unfortunate.[/QUOTE] I googled "Fedora man" to try to find online man pages and the image results were... interesting.

Unity feels like they wanted Linux to look ~unique~ (i.e., not quite like Windows or Mac) and so they created this horrible trainwreck of a DE that ignores the best ideas of both the Mac and Windows UIs

Unity just looks childish to me. [t]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7b/Ubuntu_16.04_Desktop.png[/t] It's like they never grew out of early 2000s aesthetic ideals.

Unity is fine until you open that fucked up menu. Some give Microsoft shit about making a tablet-oriented design, but I really don't think that's fair given Unity's godawful mix of gigantic tablet-sized menu items and a desktop-oriented layout. Much worse than W10 by far.

[QUOTE=mastersrp;50969256]Running a mail server, FTP server, Apache2 server, and a DNS server, in less than 50MB RAM, doesn't seem to be not lightweight. I don't think nginx can shave much off of that either. But do you have any sources on that? Because your claims are just as useful as the ones I just posted.[/QUOTE] Best single source is [url]http://www.hostingadvice.com/how-to/nginx-vs-apache/[/url] but a simple search where obviously biased results are discarded should help explain further.

[QUOTE=Protocol7;50969452]Unity is fine until you open that fucked up menu. Some give Microsoft shit about making a tablet-oriented design, but I really don't think that's fair given Unity's godawful mix of gigantic tablet-sized menu items and a desktop-oriented layout. Much worse than W10 by far.[/QUOTE] Don't forget that at least Windows 10 is usable on a touch interface whereas Unity is just bleech on touch.

[QUOTE=Dr. Evilcop;50969437]Unity feels like they wanted Linux to look ~unique~ (i.e., not quite like Windows or Mac) and so they created this horrible trainwreck of a DE that ignores the best ideas of both the Mac and Windows UIs[/QUOTE] It also is just old. I dont think its bad in principle but... eaugh. I think GNOME really did it well, it took good ideas from Mac and Windows, and then added in some of its own ideas to create a unique but still comfortable DE. And then they ruined it in other ways such as making it a bit of a pain to customize/extend and having systemd as a dependency.

[QUOTE=~Kiwi~v2;50969317]Linux friends don't let other Linux friends use Ubuntu[/QUOTE] I'm liking Ubuntu now I've removed Unity :v:

Gnome kinda grew on me. I'm not huge into tweaking DM stuff, I like things that look good and work well out of the box. XFCE is undeniably better there if you're into tweaking, but I like how Gnome works by itself. I found some simple tweaks that I use [url=https://extensions.gnome.org/]here[/url], like making the launcher sidebar into an actual persistent dock, adding transparency to the top panel, and adding weather. I also plonked in a window theme. [url=https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7333627/pics/Screenshot%20from%202016-08-18%2006-36-17.png]So I like it[/url]. What does systemd as a dependency mean? I know what dependencies and shit are but how is that bad? [editline]29th August 2016[/editline] Also doesn't Unity have some weird tracking stuff enabled?

[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;50969584]What does systemd as a dependency mean? I know what dependencies and shit are but how is that bad?[/QUOTE] systemd is an init system which has a load of mandatory dependencies which (IMO) it shouldn't have or need. GNOME requires logind from systemd, but you cannot have logind without having the entirety of systemd installed and running as your init system* *There are ways around requiring systemd being running as the init system but they break with every systemd release [editline]29th August 2016[/editline] Basically it has massive feature creep which means that anyone not using systemd gets screwed because of systemd absorbing a load of formerly independent projects which the developers refuse to separate

[QUOTE=Van-man;50969468]Best single source is [url]http://www.hostingadvice.com/how-to/nginx-vs-apache/[/url] but a simple search where obviously biased results are discarded should help explain further.[/QUOTE] I don't know how reliable that is, but according to that article, nginx only wins because it is good at serving static content. Anything else is no different. And I'd still wager that it's likely a matter of correctly configuring apache, especially if it's running on some debian-based distribution where a fast and performant configuration appearantly isn't the default.

[QUOTE=Dr. Evilcop;50969227]Xubuntu > Ubuntu for beginners. Unity is hot garbage to many people, especially those who are just moving away from Windows for the first time. Xubuntu has nearly all the benefits of Ubuntu without the subjectively awful DE.[/QUOTE] Actually, the link I meant to post was [url=http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu-flavours]this[/url], but I thought all the different flavors were listed on the desktop downloads page for some reason.

[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;50969584]Gnome kinda grew on me. I'm not huge into tweaking DM stuff, I like things that look good and work well out of the box. XFCE is undeniably better there if you're into tweaking, but I like how Gnome works by itself. I found some simple tweaks that I use [URL="https://extensions.gnome.org/"]here[/URL], like making the launcher sidebar into an actual persistent dock, adding transparency to the top panel, and adding weather. I also plonked in a window theme. [URL="https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7333627/pics/Screenshot from 2016-08-18 06-36-17.png"]So I like it[/URL]. What does systemd as a dependency mean? I know what dependencies and shit are but how is that bad? [editline]29th August 2016[/editline] Also doesn't Unity have some weird tracking stuff enabled?[/QUOTE] Unity's Amazon search stuff is opt in these days. (oops, had a brainfart when typing this)

Speaking of Ubuntu, finally felt comfortable voiding the warranty on my C720P Chromebook and removed the write protection screw. Now with no danger of needing ChromeOS if the battery runs out, I wiped the drive and installed GalliumOS (Xubuntu derivative meant for Chromebooks). Hooboy it's so much nicer running Gallium off an SSD than it is running Lubuntu off an external hard drive.

[QUOTE=~Kiwi~v2;50969857]I've always wanted to fiddle with a Chromebook but then I hear it's a bitch to get anything but Linux on it. Explains why my main laptop is a tecra m10 I can't seem to justify moving off it.[/QUOTE] With the Acer C720 it's ezpz but I hear it sucks to do on other Chromebooks yea There's also no point in getting a C720 now when the Acer Cloudbook 14 has roughly equivalent specs but is nicer in most other aspects, and can be had for cheaper.

So it turns out my aunt was running Windows 7 after all this so I probably won't be bothering with getting her Linux after all :v:

No [editline]30th August 2016[/editline] Wait shit I forgot to shill for RHEL. CentOS. [editline]30th August 2016[/editline] But really Ubuntu is a fine server OS. A lot of companies will opt for CentOS or Suse because they're pre hardened and have all kinds of fancy standardized security settings for install and it tends to be a bit more stable from a mission critical perspective. Some people run Arch because it works for them, some people even run debian because they miss using the 10 year old versions of modern software.

I installed gnome on an arch linux virtual box, now after boot I get stuck on a weird flashing screen over the shell where I think I can type but can't see anything how do I fix this?

your first mistake was installing gnome :v: Try Ctrl+Alt+F1 (and/or other F keys) and see if you can log in from there

Speaking of gnome, is there a good alternative that can be retrofitted to kinda be like gnome? I really like the activities overview that shows me everything I'd ever need in a sleek look. Windows organized neatly in the middle, all my workspaces off to the right and my favorite programs + the drawer to the left. It's just so boring to use, there's barely any customization to be made.

[QUOTE=Wormy;50971930]I have always been curious about Linux and the "best" distribution to use for servers. Is there even one that's objectively better? Because I have only used Ubuntu for servers.[/QUOTE] If the distro has a "minimal" or "server" installation type, it's a valid server distro. From there, deciding on what to use still depends on the same old question: What are you doing with it?

[QUOTE=krail9;50972403]I installed gnome on an arch linux virtual box, now after boot I get stuck on a weird flashing screen over the shell where I think I can type but can't see anything how do I fix this?[/QUOTE] Are you using GDM? I recommend starting without GDM initially and just using your .xinitrc and startx. That makes it pretty easy to debug.

[QUOTE=PredGD;50973555]Speaking of gnome, is there a good alternative that can be retrofitted to kinda be like gnome? I really like the activities overview that shows me everything I'd ever need in a sleek look. Windows organized neatly in the middle, all my workspaces off to the right and my favorite programs + the drawer to the left. It's just so boring to use, there's barely any customization to be made.[/QUOTE] I think there's a plugin that does this for Xfce4, but I can't remember the name of it

How much damage can Linux Malware cause if it doesn't have root privledge? Can it steal my passwords? If so, how can it do this without having root privilege?

[QUOTE=Dr. Evilcop;50973185]your first mistake was installing gnome :v: Try Ctrl+Alt+F1 (and/or other F keys) and see if you can log in from there[/QUOTE] quit gnomeshaming me

Apparently my quick reply is broken in Chromium. I just get [quote]vbulletin_quick_reply.js?v=4110:11 Uncaught TypeError: Cannot read property 'getElementsByTagName' of null[/quote]

[QUOTE=Sam Za Nemesis;50975962]Unity 8 fixes it for good, the distro looks super professional on Ubuntu Touch when you use it as a desktop [img]http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2016/35/1472609015-photo419961511817099516.jpg[/img] Too bad they keep delaying it[/QUOTE] You can use that on desktop ubuntu as of 16.04 I think if you're one of the two people who have graphics cards that work with mir.

GODDAMIT I clicked reply again. :v: I had no particular reason to use Chromium over Chrome so I'll probably just do that. [editline]30th August 2016[/editline] Yep that fixed it thanks.