General Linux Chat and Small Questions v. Year of the Linux Desktop! - Hardware & Software

[QUOTE=Number-41;52434198]Yeah it's for my brother's laptop. My idea is to have two OS's that share a partition (the NTFS Data one) with e.g. music, movies, etc. Windows is icky with ext4 so I would format it as NTFS. You could also just share your /home/ partition with W10 by formatting it as NTFS but I read that it's not optimal (as in, they advise against it). Hence the NTFS data partition that can be used by both.[/QUOTE] Okay, that seems fine then. Just be sure to have a spare mouse in case the Kernel, for whatever reason, doesn't support the touchpad. You're going to be installing Ubuntu so I see no reason why it wouldn't come with some drivers to support that though. I am sure that it has native support. I would very much advise against having /home/ as a shared NTFS partition with windows as that's very likely to cause conflicts. As drblah said, it's not case sensitive. Best just to have that 120GB shared NTFS partition that you can throw stuff between. I'm personally not so sure how keen Linux is with NTFS in any case. It seems fine with it from my experience. What Desktop Environment do you plan on using?

Yes so as I mentioned myself I will not use an NTFS /home/ partition :P Personally I would go for Ubuntu 16.04 due to the LTS (I don't want my brother to have to do a full upgrade yearly), but I like Gnome a whole lot more than unity. It shouldn't lag on this system (inc. 250 SSD and /tmp/ mounted in RAM): [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/RUPM5Zg.png[/IMG] but it does. So I don't like it anymore. I will try and suggest Gnome.

Why do you need separate /home partition? Wouldn't using Btrfs subvolumes be better?

Because [url]https://askubuntu.com/questions/142695/what-are-the-pros-and-cons-of-having-a-separate-home-partition[/url] I always like to keep my stuff separate from my OS, I tend to fuck up stuff :v:

[QUOTE=Number-41;52437778]Yes so as I mentioned myself I will not use an NTFS /home/ partition :P Personally I would go for Ubuntu 16.04 due to the LTS (I don't want my brother to have to do a full upgrade yearly), but I like Gnome a whole lot more than unity. It shouldn't lag on this system (inc. 250 SSD and /tmp/ mounted in RAM): [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/RUPM5Zg.png[/IMG] but it does. So I don't like it anymore. I will try and suggest Gnome.[/QUOTE] Good choice for Gnome. Unity is pretty slow and bloated. Here's what I've got. [img]http://i.imgur.com/YEGIqru.png[/img] The CPU is that hot because I had just got off of a long gaming session on my Windows OS and had restarted with my Mint distro after I was done. The reason I've root on a separate partition is not just so I don't lost everything if I catastrophically fuck things up, but because my SSD is faster than my HDD (obviously) so the OS goes on the SSD whilst home goes on the HDD. Best of both worlds: Mass storage of HDD for files, fast OS load times of SSD. That's where having those sections separate REALLY shines.

[QUOTE=J0SEPH;52440078]Good choice for Gnome. Unity is pretty slow and bloated. Here's what I've got. [img]http://i.imgur.com/YEGIqru.png[/img] The CPU is that hot because I had just got off of a long gaming session on my Windows OS and had restarted with my Mint distro after I was done. The reason I've root on a separate partition is not just so I don't lost everything if I catastrophically fuck things up, but because my SSD is faster than my HDD (obviously) so the OS goes on the SSD whilst home goes on the HDD. Best of both worlds: Mass storage of HDD for files, fast OS load times of SSD. That's where having those sections separate REALLY shines.[/QUOTE] 27 degrees is hot from a gaming session? :v:

[QUOTE=gokiyono;52440134]27 degrees is hot from a gaming session? :v:[/QUOTE] Obviously it had cooled down from then, as I've got a decent cooling rig but usually it's a bit lower than that once it cools down fully. :P

[QUOTE=J0SEPH;52440234]Obviously it had cooled down from then, as I've got a decent cooling rig but usually it's a bit lower than that once it cools down fully. :P[/QUOTE] I wish I lived where you live because 27°C is the ambient temperature in my house during these summer months :v:

[QUOTE=Dr. Evilcop;52440278]I wish I lived where you live because 27°C is the ambient temperature in my house during these summer months :v:[/QUOTE] United Kingdom is where I'm from. What is ambient for you is often scorching for us. We basically fry whenever it's more than 20°C outside. :v:

[QUOTE=J0SEPH;52440234]Obviously it had cooled down from then, as I've got a decent cooling rig but usually it's a bit lower than that once it cools down fully. :P[/QUOTE] It must be really good. Mine tends to be in the 40s when gaming

[QUOTE=J0SEPH;52440299]United Kingdom is where I'm from. What is ambient for you is often scorching for us. We basically fry whenever it's more than 20°C outside. :v:[/QUOTE] It's 101°F outside today, forecast is 108°F tomorrow (a little over 42°C in britbong) :v:

[QUOTE=gokiyono;52440333]It must be really good. Mine tends to be in the 40s when gaming[/QUOTE] It's rather adequate as it's just a fan, but it's not the stock fan that came with the CPU so it's pretty decent. I sunk a bit of extra money into the Cooler Master Hyper EVO 212 and it does a surprisingly good job of what it does for its status as a fan. Alongside that are the multiple fans in my case that do a good job of ventilating the heat. My temperatures in gaming typically depend on the games I'm playing and the OS I'm playing them on (I play on Linux where I can but a lot of my favourite games are on windows :P) [QUOTE=Dr. Evilcop;52440367]It's 101°F outside today, forecast is 108°F tomorrow (a little over 42°C in britbong) :v:[/QUOTE] Mate I'd die if it was 42°C over here lol.

Started the apprenticeship today, got VMWare installed on my server so now I just need to install CentOS to fuck around on

[QUOTE=sam6420;52463531]I have to say, I'm finding Arch far easier to use when following the wiki during installation rather than watching Youtube videos on it like I have done in the past. Two years of Debian made the experience easier as well. So far this has been a fun little trip. Arch is still popular right guys?[/QUOTE] Arch is my new go to server OS now that I got sick of Cent OS behind so fucking outdated. [t]https://helifreak.club/image/20170713145718893.png[/t] It was at this point I realised that GUI installers are awful unless you're installing with a single drive or just want a single RAID / LLVM level for the whole OS. Spent a couple of days trying to get Cent OS installed on a triple drive setup resulting in a 17 TiB RAID partition - the online installer got stuck during install, and the shitty Cent OS install GUI had an awful partitioner. Instead opted to just read the Arch wiki and had everything up and running in a couple of hours. IPv6 was a pain in the ass though.

For the longest time, the image of Arch for me has long been tainted by a large group of elitists (granted, they were from Reddit, so I'm not sure why I expected any different) who think themselves superior because they ended up with several keys from their Richard Stallman Certified Open Source Driver Powered Keyboard™ lodged into their head from spending more hours than needed to install an OS. I see the pros to it: If you like the newest stuff and know what you're doing, you can cater it perfectly to your needs. I've thought about giving Arch a try on a VM to see what it's really like and to see if I'd enjoy it. I've long been sticking to (and worshipping) Linux Mint simply for my desire to plug something in and expect it to work off the bat. Whether it misses a few CPU cycles or not because of that isn't really my concern. Also, I love the update manager. If something breaks, I'm better off looking at forums such as these as any other forum that's remotely linux-centric will tell me to read the instructions on the official site, as if the very concept of doing so wouldn't be apparent to me if it jumped in front of me stark naked, jerking off with a sock and yodeling the Zone Of The Enders theme. I've even been told to "plug it in" when I asked about a problem with my TP-LINK WiFi USB adapter. Manjaro seems like a friendlier alternative to Arch if people want bleeding edge but don't want to mess around too much. I want to try Arch though. I just don't want to associate with the redditards who believe themselves superior because the configurations they took hours perfecting was knocked down 5 minutes later because muh bleeding edge updates. Any Arch users here who can note some nice features that might stand out for someone like me? While I don't mind missing a CPU cycle or two, I do like efficiency. I just want it to do efficiently, and present it well.

[QUOTE=J0SEPH;52464355]Any Arch users here who can note some nice features that might stand out for someone like me? While I don't mind missing a CPU cycle or two, I do like efficiency. I just want it to do efficiently, and present it well.[/QUOTE] One word, AUR. Once you use it you will never go back to other distro, least in my case. EDIT: I recommend installing Pacaur if you care about the security or Yaourt if you want to see comments without opening the site if you want to use AUR. Then pick either Pamac or Octopi, the GUI version of the package manager.

[QUOTE=J0SEPH;52464355] ... Any Arch users here who can note some nice features that might stand out for someone like me? While I don't mind missing a CPU cycle or two, I do like efficiency. I just want it to do efficiently, and present it well.[/QUOTE] IMO Arch (and other bare bone Linux distros) is a really good learning experience. Especially if stuff does not work right away, and you have the time and patience to fix it. With that said, I personally don't want to deal with Arch when I need Linux. I simply do not have time for it. Instead I choose plug and play distros like Ubuntu, Manjaro and Fedora. With regards to performance difference: I don't think you will achieve any significant performance by running Arch over Mint. The only difference is that Arch requires you to set up everything. After the initial installation there will not be much difference, since you will likely be using the same programs as on other distros.

Arch is definitely a good learning experience, I spent at least 3 days getting everything setup nicely but once it's done it makes for a great system, it's also very stable for a rolling release, I've been using it about two months now without a single issue, the only minor complaint I have is the official packages are a bit lacking in some areas, but the AUR certainly makes up for it. As for the community yeah you're typically not going to get the same level of support as say Ubuntu, Debian, etc, but that's to be expected, not quite as bad as the Gentoo community in my experience.

[QUOTE=helifreak;52463804]Arch is my new go to server OS now that I got sick of Cent OS behind so fucking outdated. [t]https://helifreak.club/image/20170713145718893.png[/t] It was at this point I realised that GUI installers are awful unless you're installing with a single drive or just want a single RAID / LLVM level for the whole OS. Spent a couple of days trying to get Cent OS installed on a triple drive setup resulting in a 17 TiB RAID partition - the online installer got stuck during install, and the shitty Cent OS install GUI had an awful partitioner. Instead opted to just read the Arch wiki and had everything up and running in a couple of hours. IPv6 was a pain in the ass though.[/QUOTE] I feel your pain. Installing grub on CentOS (definitely 6, not sure about 7) will consistently fail on a mdadm array, despite it being shown as an option in the graphical installer. I also had the Fedora graphical installer decide it wanted to format my drives without me telling it to. Debian 9 installer seems like the best graphical installer for a distro I've used yet, though I've only installed it in a vps so it isn't near the same level of complexity Vs other hardware configurations.

Disabled passworded SSH and locked the password on the account on my dev server, then realised I hadn't enabled passwordless sudo :suicide: Apparently I have to wear the dunce hat on Monday Also I needed to test patching ESXi but forgot to take a snapshot so I had to reinstall ESXi to run the other tests and I had to wear the hat for that too

Today, the unspeakable happened. I plugged a second 60hz monitor into my GPU via HDMI, alongside my already-plugged 144hz monitor in the GPU via DVI. It worked out of the box. I just had to swap the screens which was easy with NVIDIA settings. For once, something worked as soon as I plugged it in lul. Jk, I expected this to work. This does raise a valid point as to why I absolutely adore Linux Mint in any case. IMO one of the next big steps is getting a consistent way of installing software. One piece of software wants me to use apt (good), another wants me to use .deb (ok I guess), another wants me to unpack a tarball and compile the source myself with varying results (excuse me what the fuck). Then comes gaming, but that won't really happen until more people start using Linux, but people won't start using Linux if there's no games. Catch 22.

To add onto the Arch talk, I've found it to be more than stable enough for daily use despite what everyone says about it. My current install just turned 1 year old 1 week ago and its still running smoothly. In the last 4 years where I've used Arch I can't remember a single time I've had a fatal error occur to me and I never read the blog. Pacman has gone a little bonkers a few times when I haven't updated in a while but the fix has always been a quick google search away when that happens.

I'm pretty sure [url=https://imgur.com/fH80kCF]this[/url] is how I heard of arch. But then again, it taught me how to actually put effort in correctly configuring my server.

I'm an idiot, but every rolling release distro I've tried has given me nothing but trouble.

Quick Nvidia question: my GTX960 was overheating on my Arch, i cheked windows 10 and the temperatures were better over there. I headed next to Nvidia X server settings and couldn't check the fan speed, it displayed 0. I checked the Arch linux wiki over here: [url]https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/NVIDIA/Tips_and_tricks#Set_fan_speed_at_login[/url] I set the coolbits to 4, and fan control appeard with the actual values. My question is, why the fuck the fans are OFF by default?!!?

[QUOTE=Lyoko2;52474190]Quick Nvidia question: my GTX960 was overheating on my Arch, i cheked windows 10 and the temperatures were better over there. I headed next to Nvidia X server settings and couldn't check the fan speed, it displayed 0. I checked the Arch linux wiki over here: [url]https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/NVIDIA/Tips_and_tricks#Set_fan_speed_at_login[/url] I set the coolbits to 4, and fan control appeard with the actual values. My question is, why the fuck the fans are OFF by default?!!?[/QUOTE] I think I've heard people having problems with GPU fans and such. I've never had such problems with those things and everything has worked fine from the get-go for me, so I can only assume that it varies depending on model and distro. Maybe Arch wanted you to configure all that too? As far as I know, I believe that Linux in general has trouble with NVIDIA's GPUs, with Linus Torvalds openly slandering them for being a bitch to work with.

Linus was angry at them because of their practices in the ARM business, not the GPUs. If I remember correctly.

[QUOTE=Lyoko2;52474190]Quick Nvidia question: my GTX960 was overheating on my Arch, i cheked windows 10 and the temperatures were better over there. I headed next to Nvidia X server settings and couldn't check the fan speed, it displayed 0. I checked the Arch linux wiki over here: [url]https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/NVIDIA/Tips_and_tricks#Set_fan_speed_at_login[/url] I set the coolbits to 4, and fan control appeard with the actual values. My question is, why the fuck the fans are OFF by default?!!?[/QUOTE] Some cards turn off their fan below ~60C to reduce noise. Maybe that's what you were seeing?

[QUOTE=nikomo;52474530]Linus was angry at them because of their practices in the ARM business, not the GPUs. If I remember correctly.[/QUOTE] He has also roasted them over how Nvidia wanted to implement their proprietary drivers for GPU's

[QUOTE=IpHa;52474590]Some cards turn off their fan below ~60C to reduce noise. Maybe that's what you were seeing?[/QUOTE] Yeah, it was too late for me to notice after 11 months of usage.. I had some random artifacts on CS:GO with the latest drivers and never seen them again after cleaning my computer and it never happend again since. I even played yesterday GTA V on high settings for a few hours and the graphics were fine. the linux drivers toggle fans too but it seems that they limit it to only 30%. can anyone confirm it? I started to force the fans ON while playing on linux and to monitor it further. [editline]17th July 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=nikomo;52474530]Linus was angry at them because of their practices in the ARM business, not the GPUs. If I remember correctly.[/QUOTE] The ARM kernel situation is a mess, most likely by google and Chinese vendors.