General Linux Chat and Small Questions v. Year of the Linux Desktop!
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[QUOTE=kaukassus;46944990][url]https://github.com/ValveSoftware/steam-for-linux/issues/3671[/url]
This is actually really scary.
So Steam on Linux can accidentally execute [code]rm -rf /*[/code] on the system in certain cases.[/QUOTE]
so applying one of the fixes in the bug comments caused steam.sh to delete itself.
maybe it patched wrong because i had other modifications in play but now i get to start over! yay!
so I opened this thread on Windows
[img]http://i.imgur.com/j5Uk5Be.png[/img]
I think Chrome is trying to tell me something
[QUOTE=lavacano;46947941]so applying one of the fixes in the bug comments caused steam.sh to delete itself.
maybe it patched wrong because i had other modifications in play but now i get to start over! yay![/QUOTE]
beats deleting /, I suppose
Anybody know a way to get the best performance on my r9 270 with xubuntu, Even when using the proprietary driver I get only about 70% performance with frequent stuttering on tf2.
crunchbang is somewhat awful, I used to run it until I realised debian 7 was slowly getting obsolete (having to do a frankendebian to run some shit that uses a sensible version of glibc is annoying) and i switched to ubuntu
(well it's not irredeamable, I guess it's fine if you like a compact, clean distro for everyday work, but for multimedia and games, you pretty much need to resort to asinine hacking tricks to get shit to work)
then I realised that plain trusty tahr and gnome simply hate opengl on radeon cards, aswell as unity being a total ass
which leads to kubuntu > all when it comes to my general nix experience
also, I guess i'll get back to #! when debian 8 will be out but for now, nah, fuck it
you could have just updated debian you know
[QUOTE=Mike16112;46948639]Anybody know a way to get the best performance on my r9 270 with xubuntu, Even when using the proprietary driver I get only about 70% performance with frequent stuttering on tf2.[/QUOTE]
Sadly, that's about the best performance you can get with AMD's cards in a Linux environment, as even the FOSS drivers are catching up to proprietary.
You have two options if you absolutely need better performance; Nvidia or Gallium9, Gallium9 basically being 'native Direct3D for Linux.'
Gallium9 uses Wine and is only available for the open source drivers (as far as I am aware.) I know little of Gallium9, so you would have to do a little searching yourself, sorry. Though, there might be someone else here who has experience with Gallium9, who knows!
Gallium Nine is a state tracker, not a driver, and has nothing to do with this conversation.
The R9 series is so new, Catalyst is probably the best option, radeonsi was a bit unfinished last time I checked. I haven't actually tested my 270X under Linux yet, at all.
[QUOTE=nikomo;46952540]Gallium Nine is a state tracker, not a driver, and has nothing to do with this conversation.
The R9 series is so new, Catalyst is probably the best option, radeonsi was a bit unfinished last time I checked. I haven't actually tested my 270X under Linux yet, at all.[/QUOTE]
Depends on the distribution, but for Ubuntu then R9 is probably still a no go. For Their next release, it should be good to go though.
There's some PPA that does super up-to-date releases of Mesa etc. for Ubuntu, so you can get latest open drivers through there. If that's what you mean.
[QUOTE=nikomo;46953515]There's some PPA that does super up-to-date releases of Mesa etc. for Ubuntu, so you can get latest open drivers through there. If that's what you mean.[/QUOTE]
That is true, but I did refer to Ubuntu due to the default repositories shipping older (possibly more "stable") drivers, as opposed to Arch, Gentoo, Void, those kind of distributions.
Everything in Ubuntu is kinda old and I have started compiling stuff I want up to date version of except for Wine which I get through PlayOnLinux which does all the versioning.
[editline]18th January 2015[/editline]
And native NVIDIA drivers through the official NVIDIA installer.
I can't even play a source game at anything other than absolutely lowest 1024x768 meeking out a terrible 15-25fps with constant frame drops and freezes. My 5870 and i7 930@3.85ghz have always been able to max all of these under windows. I just came to the conclusion that AMD drivers for linux will never be mature enough to use for gaming.
Just discovered [URL="http://pointlinux.org/"]Point Linux[/URL]. Think I'm in love already.
Really nice minimal MATE (and now GNOME too) Debian-based desktop. Perfect for using in VM's for development and stuff, and has a nice installer too.
[QUOTE=slayer3032;46956353]I can't even play a source game at anything other than absolutely lowest 1024x768 meeking out a terrible 15-25fps with constant frame drops and freezes. My 5870 and i7 930@3.85ghz have always been able to max all of these under windows. I just came to the conclusion that AMD drivers for linux will never be mature enough to use for gaming.[/QUOTE]
Something is seriously wrong in that software setup then. Are you using the proprietary or open source drivers?
The open source drivers really should push all source games pretty good. I mean hell, even on older cards than yours the performance is pretty good.
[QUOTE=mastersrp;46958923]Something is seriously wrong in that software setup then. Are you using the proprietary or open source drivers?
The open source drivers really should push all source games pretty good. I mean hell, even on older cards than yours the performance is pretty good.[/QUOTE]
Last time I tried the open source drivers and games wouldn't even launch, before the new Mint LTS came out the previous repos used some really old drivers and I couldn't even get 8 fps stable. I updated and last I tried CS:GO would get around 18-24ish on low settings and worse on medium. I spent like 2 hours trying to get games to play and they all play horrendously to the point that I might as well throw in a 8600 gts that's sat in a drawer for 5 years at least if I wanted performance that bad.
I'll definitely give the open source drivers a try again since I enjoy being able to use all three of my monitor outputs since the proprietary drivers(even on windows) don't allow me to because it's a pre-eyefinity card that was intentionally nerfed to sell eyefinity cards..
[QUOTE=slayer3032;46959016]Last time I tried the open source drivers and games wouldn't even launch, before the new Mint LTS came out the previous repos used some really old drivers and I couldn't even get 8 fps stable. I updated and last I tried CS:GO would get around 18-24ish on low settings and worse on medium. I spent like 2 hours trying to get games to play and they all play horrendously to the point that I might as well throw in a 8600 gts that's sat in a drawer for 5 years at least if I wanted performance that bad.
I'll definitely give the open source drivers a try again since I enjoy being able to use all three of my monitor outputs since the proprietary drivers(even on windows) don't allow me to because it's a pre-eyefinity card that was intentionally nerfed to sell eyefinity cards..[/QUOTE]
It just seems weird to me that the 5870 should get MUCH worse performance than my old rotten 4670, which plays CS:GO, TF2, DotA2, and more, with no issue.
[editline]18th January 2015[/editline]
And that's on the open source drivers, yes. I don't want to buy into any proprietary crap, if I can be free of it (I can't entirely, but for the most part..)
Welp, so I just reset all the settings in CS:GO after getting 10-18fps and it seems I get around 60fps on whatever the "stock" low settings are at 1600x900. If I adjust the shadows to anything other High I get literally 18fps with constant drops. I've managed to get it running at like 70-80fps with a lot of studdering with effects on low, model textures on high and shaders on high and was able even to push anisotropic to 2x.
I guess it will actually play it now, incredible. I'm still noticing constant studdering issues, steam message alert noise distortion and generally just being not smooth. I'll have to try out the open source drivers as well and play with the settings further but I suspect that gmod will probably be unplayable not that I ever even play it anyways. I only have been running the properitary drivers because Minecraft was unplayable without them and I couldn't watch movies via HDMI due to HDMI audio not working so I didn't have any reason to run them as running my HDMI along with my 2 DVIs was the real incentive. Now I use optical audio to a receiver and my new LG TV doesn't even have "usable" speakers lol.
[QUOTE=slayer3032;46959218]Welp, so I just reset all the settings in CS:GO after getting 10-18fps and it seems I get around 60fps on whatever the "stock" low settings are at 1600x900. If I adjust the shadows to anything other High I get literally 18fps with constant drops. I've managed to get it running at like 70-80fps with a lot of studdering with effects on low, model textures on high and shaders on high and was able even to push anisotropic to 2x.
I guess it will actually play it now, incredible. I'm still noticing constant studdering issues, steam message alert noise distortion and generally just being not smooth. I'll have to try out the open source drivers as well and play with the settings further but I suspect that gmod will probably be unplayable not that I ever even play it anyways. I only have been running the properitary drivers because Minecraft was unplayable without them and I couldn't watch movies via HDMI due to HDMI audio not working so I didn't have any reason to run them as running my HDMI along with my 2 DVIs was the real incentive. Now I use optical audio to a receiver and my new LG TV doesn't even have "usable" speakers lol.[/QUOTE]
Sorry if you mentioned it somewhere but I might have missed it; what's the desktop environment you are using, and doesn't it by any chance operate with default desktop compositing (transparent windows/window shadows/fancy 3D window or virtual desktop swapping effects/etc)?
Because desktop compositing completely shits over all accelerated graphics regardless the driver and it's absolutely critical to stay away from that crap if you plan to ever play games.
For instance Ubuntu's Unity desktop has compositing on and it cannot be switched off, which is why if you ever plan to play games on -buntu, it should be Xubuntu or Kubuntu or somesuch.
[editline]18th January 2015[/editline]
You mentioned using Mint, and that apparently uses Cinnamon, and just looking at screenshots I can see these functions being present. Maybe look into the desktop settings and see if there isn't "use desktop compositing" checkbox or some such.
Weird I just came in here with a similar question
I set up an ubuntu install to play some KSP linux because the windows version is terrible with mods but it runs like ass with proprietary amd drivers. I guess I should install a different distro then :v:
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;46959434]Sorry if you mentioned it somewhere but I might have missed it; what's the desktop environment you are using, and doesn't it by any chance operate with default desktop compositing (transparent windows/window shadows/fancy 3D window or virtual desktop swapping effects/etc)?
Because desktop compositing completely shits over all accelerated graphics regardless the driver and it's absolutely critical to stay away from that crap if you plan to ever play games.
For instance Ubuntu's Unity desktop has compositing on and it cannot be switched off, which is why if you ever plan to play games on -buntu, it should be Xubuntu or Kubuntu or somesuch.
[editline]18th January 2015[/editline]
You mentioned using Mint, and that apparently uses Cinnamon, and just looking at screenshots I can see these functions being present. Maybe look into the desktop settings and see if there isn't "use desktop compositing" checkbox or some such.[/QUOTE]
I'm using Mint 17.1 with cinnamon.
I turned off Desktop effects, that seemed to do something although I don't have exact figures. This game is stupid sensitive and buggy, if you touch a video setting it will uncontrollably studder all over the place until you restart it. Multicore rendering almost doubles your fps as well. It seems like if I use anything but the low shader it will studder but since I just played with it for about 45 minutes just hardly messing with settings testing what and what not works I got to this and it actually plays pretty damn well although looks like ass compared to my maxed out windows at 2/3rds the fps.
[t]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/5601782/Screenshot%20from%202015-01-18%2021%3A30%3A20.png[/t]
I'll give the open source drivers a try here in a little bit.
[editline]18th January 2015[/editline]
The open source drivers don't work still because they don't support S3TC out of the box in Mint so they're probably like 3-4 years old or something silly. Everytime I mess with drivers outside of the driver manager it frags my whole install even if I follow instructions word for word. Is there anything I should be doing other than using fglrx-updates?
[QUOTE=slayer3032;46964408]I'm using Mint 17.1 with cinnamon.
I turned off Desktop effects, that seemed to do something although I don't have exact figures. This game is stupid sensitive and buggy, if you touch a video setting it will uncontrollably studder all over the place until you restart it. Multicore rendering almost doubles your fps as well. It seems like if I use anything but the low shader it will studder but since I just played with it for about 45 minutes just hardly messing with settings testing what and what not works I got to this and it actually plays pretty damn well although looks like ass compared to my maxed out windows at 2/3rds the fps.
[t]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/5601782/Screenshot%20from%202015-01-18%2021%3A30%3A20.png[/t]
I'll give the open source drivers a try here in a little bit.
[editline]18th January 2015[/editline]
The open source drivers don't work still because they don't support S3TC out of the box in Mint so they're probably like 3-4 years old or something silly. Everytime I mess with drivers outside of the driver manager it frags my whole install even if I follow instructions word for word. Is there anything I should be doing other than using fglrx-updates?[/QUOTE]
Install libtxc_dxtn.
[editline]19th January 2015[/editline]
The reason the open source drivers don't support S3TC is because of it's proprietary nature. If it was free of patents, it wouldn't be a problem. But it isn't.
Quoting myself from Ubuntu Forums because I really need this help:
[url]http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2261420[/url]
[QUOTE]I'm using keyboard layout install script provided from [url]http://freetengwar.sourceforge.net/keylayouts.html[/url] and I'm using [url]http://freetengwar.sourceforge.net/tengtelc.html[/url] as the font. The font works properly as shown in this wikipedia page: [url]https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3Z3SPhPdVFNZUdZcGRaSS1EQnc/view[/url]
Then I checked the evdev.xml file, and verified that tengwar is there. But I've checked on lxkeymap, Keyboard Layout Handler and Keyboard Input Method and it isn't there, so I cannot change my keyboard layout to that. What is wrong?
base.lst: [url]http://pastebin.com/3vugL9yW[/url]
base.xml: [url]http://pastebin.com/YajXiMuS[/url]
evdev.lst: [url]http://pastebin.com/H9KLK0CN[/url]
evdev.xml: [url]http://pastebin.com/VpDLXEhC[/url]
I've tried using IBus and it doesn't appear there too
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[QUOTE=slayer3032;46964408]I'm using Mint 17.1 with cinnamon.
I turned off Desktop effects, that seemed to do something although I don't have exact figures. This game is stupid sensitive and buggy, if you touch a video setting it will uncontrollably studder all over the place until you restart it. Multicore rendering almost doubles your fps as well. It seems like if I use anything but the low shader it will studder but since I just played with it for about 45 minutes just hardly messing with settings testing what and what not works I got to this and it actually plays pretty damn well although looks like ass compared to my maxed out windows at 2/3rds the fps.
[t]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/5601782/Screenshot%20from%202015-01-18%2021%3A30%3A20.png[/t]
I'll give the open source drivers a try here in a little bit.
[editline]18th January 2015[/editline]
The open source drivers don't work still because they don't support S3TC out of the box in Mint so they're probably like 3-4 years old or something silly. Everytime I mess with drivers outside of the driver manager it frags my whole install even if I follow instructions word for word. Is there anything I should be doing other than using fglrx-updates?[/QUOTE]
Right now your screenshot I can see the game's window has transparent shadow around it. Your desktop is still composited. It will run like shit no matter how much you fuck with drivers until you figure out how to get your window manager to stop compositing, or get a different one.
[editline]19th January 2015[/editline]
According to [url=https://github.com/linuxmint/Cinnamon/issues/2204]this guy[/url], cinnamon is is based on library called Clutter, which relies on 3D acceleration (compositing).
[B]Your Desktop Environment Of Choice Is Shit For Computer Games[/B]
If you want to play games, install XFCE, Fluxbox, KDE or something that explicitly can run in clean 2D only mode.
No amount of driver fiddlery will help your performance problems, otherwise.
[editline]19th January 2015[/editline]
Worth pointing out you don't have to install another distribution in order to use a different desktop environment (I hope, at least, unless Mint is really bad). You should be able to have multiple installed and just log into one or the other to try them out. At least in Ubuntu it works like that.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;46966880]Worth pointing out you don't have to install another distribution in order to use a different desktop environment (I hope, at least, unless Mint is really bad). You should be able to have multiple installed and just log into one or the other to try them out. At least in Ubuntu it works like that.[/QUOTE]
Mint is an Ubuntu derivative so it should be fine if he installs something else.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;46966880]Right now your screenshot I can see the game's window has transparent shadow around it. Your desktop is still composited. It will run like shit no matter how much you fuck with drivers until you figure out how to get your window manager to stop compositing, or get a different one.
[editline]19th January 2015[/editline]
According to [url=https://github.com/linuxmint/Cinnamon/issues/2204]this guy[/url], cinnamon is is based on library called Clutter, which relies on 3D acceleration (compositing).
[B]Your Desktop Environment Of Choice Is Shit For Computer Games[/B]
If you want to play games, install XFCE, Fluxbox, KDE or something that explicitly can run in clean 2D only mode.
No amount of driver fiddlery will help your performance problems, otherwise.
[editline]19th January 2015[/editline]
Worth pointing out you don't have to install another distribution in order to use a different desktop environment (I hope, at least, unless Mint is really bad). You should be able to have multiple installed and just log into one or the other to try them out. At least in Ubuntu it works like that.[/QUOTE]
I have no idea what I've been doing wrong all this time but I'm now able to play Gmod at max with x4 AA at 80fps+ stable. CS:GO seems to just be the big issue really, I'm thinking there's something in the HUD/UI that doesn't play nice at all because whenever I open up various menus the fps can vary from 150fps-60fps.
I'll have to do some comparisons to see if the gains are worth it because performance seems pretty good already at least in the games which have had linux builds for a while.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;46966880]Right now your screenshot I can see the game's window has transparent shadow around it. Your desktop is still composited. It will run like shit no matter how much you fuck with drivers until you figure out how to get your window manager to stop compositing, or get a different one.
[editline]19th January 2015[/editline]
According to [url=https://github.com/linuxmint/Cinnamon/issues/2204]this guy[/url], cinnamon is is based on library called Clutter, which relies on 3D acceleration (compositing).
[B]Your Desktop Environment Of Choice Is Shit For Computer Games[/B]
If you want to play games, install XFCE, Fluxbox, KDE or something that explicitly can run in clean 2D only mode.
No amount of driver fiddlery will help your performance problems, otherwise.
[editline]19th January 2015[/editline]
Worth pointing out you don't have to install another distribution in order to use a different desktop environment (I hope, at least, unless Mint is really bad). You should be able to have multiple installed and just log into one or the other to try them out. At least in Ubuntu it works like that.[/QUOTE]
The truth is that this depends. For some people, compositing can be a huge problem. For others, it makes no measurable difference turning it off.
[QUOTE=mastersrp;46971342]The truth is that this depends. For some people, compositing can be a huge problem. For others, it makes no measurable difference turning it off.[/QUOTE]
Well, in theory, compositing [I]shouldn't[/I] mean sacrificing significant portion of performance in all other graphically intense applications, but my experience is that it often just simply works that way.
I dunno, maybe I am weird but since I mostly operate with fullscreen windows for everything and switch between tabs, windows, virtual screens and consoles mostly through keyboard combinations and by memory, I just don't see the worth of having effects around edges of windows nor having some kind of animated nonsense when tabbing between them, as I actually expect immediate response.
When I was running Ubuntu with Unity, the compositing was on with no issues, but maybe it depends on the graphics card etc.
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