General Linux Chat and Small Questions v. Year of the Linux Desktop!

[Van-man]

[QUOTE=~Kiwi~v2;47650609][img]http://i.imgur.com/P05naca.png[/img]

fuck nvidia-current[/QUOTE]

You think Nvidia drivers are bad? then try dealing with ATI/AMD gfx drivers.

[Van-man]

[QUOTE=~Kiwi~v2;47650631]I dunno every AMD card I've thrown at a ubuntu install they've worked 100% of the time no isssues.

Mind due they where a 3850,7750 and 7790[/QUOTE]

I've only had issues with AMD cards in Linux, whereas Nvidia cards with funky windows drivers worked no probs, even with 3D applications.

Especially my 4870x2 is a literal nightmare to get working with anything beyond basic 2D in Linux.

[SocMinarch]

5670 here, the only issue I've ever had is the different screen underscanning defaults on distributions

[Van-man]

[QUOTE=Adam.GameDev;47650710]5670 here, the only issue I've ever had is the different screen underscanning defaults on distributions[/QUOTE]

It's especially 5XXX series and 6XXX mobile GPU's that support "switching" between them and a IGP in windows and anything before the 5XXX series in general that's fucked, since AMD doesn't care about it, and neither is there a big interest among open source developers.

[shodan]

The properitary ATI drivers block the use of 3 legacy ports at the same time, forcing me to pay too much money for a active displayport cable (which are fucking impossible to find). The open source driver works fine and allows me to use all of my 3 monitors at once.

That's if I can manage to install the properitary driver. It requires like 3 patches to even build.

[lavacano]

[QUOTE=~Kiwi~v2;47650819]At the end of the day there are people who deeply care about open-source and then there are a fuck load of people who say fuck open-source.[/QUOTE]

At the end of the day a bunch of nerds who program as a hobby can write better drivers than AMD.

[thatbooisaspy]

I finally got my arch install working and dualbooting windows (I had to reinstall NVIDIA drivers a ton until they finally decided to stop beating up GDM). My desktop:
[URL="http://i.imgur.com/nXmEyy1.jpg"][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/nXmEyy1l.jpg[/IMG][/URL]
I haven't tried installing Steam or any of that jizz yet so i'm not sure about preformance. Also, how can I fix this minor annoyance in firefox:
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/Kxi6r7p.png[/IMG]
Firefox seems to take some colors from the gtk theme, any idea on how to stop that?

[mastersrp]

[QUOTE=lavacano;47652081]At the end of the day a bunch of nerds who program as a hobby can write better drivers than AMD.[/QUOTE]

If only that was true. Maybe so, but the current state of the open source drivers can be attributed quite a lot to the contributions of the AMD Linux driver developer(s), making changes to the open source drivers and adding important features and improvements.

It would be a lot better if all the contributions for the Linux version were made in the open source driver though.

[rilez]

[QUOTE=thatbooisaspy;47652298]Firefox seems to take some colors from the gtk theme, any idea on how to stop that?[/QUOTE]

Firefox is a GTK application, it's going to pull colors from the GTK theme unless you explicitly use a Firefox theme to override them

[thatbooisaspy]

[QUOTE=rilez;47652571]Firefox is a GTK application, it's going to pull colors from the GTK theme unless you explicitly use a Firefox theme to override them[/QUOTE]
Well, I guess that makes sense. I'm probably going to use the developer theme anyway.

Also GDM decided to kill itself again, any tips on how to stop it from completely breaking every time I restart? It comes up with a "Something has gone wrong" message. Using NVIDIA proprietary drivers, I fixed it by installing them but now it stopped working again. I force tty and do startx and xorg is working, so I assume its a GDM issue. I searched through the logs I found but nothing out of the ordinary.
:suicide:

[nikomo]

Gallium3D Nine is enough to make my knickers wet over what open drivers can do, over proprietary garbage.
If we can do that, there's not much we can't do.

[rilez]

[QUOTE=thatbooisaspy;47652844] Using NVIDIA proprietary drivers, I fixed it by installing them but now it stopped working again. I force tty and do startx and xorg is working, so I assume its a GDM issue. I searched through the logs I found but nothing out of the ordinary.
:suicide:[/QUOTE]

Were you using the open source drivers before? Are you running a desktop or laptop GPU?

If you can start a basic X session, try running "exec gnome-session" and post what it does

[thatbooisaspy]

[QUOTE=~Kiwi~v2;47652879]What's your config and what nvidia packages did you install?[/QUOTE]

If you mean my xorg config then here it is:

# nvidia-xconfig: X configuration file generated by nvidia-xconfig
# nvidia-xconfig:  version 346.59  (buildmeister@swio-display-x86-rhel47-04)  Tue Mar 31 14:42:07 PDT 2015
 
# nvidia-settings: X configuration file generated by nvidia-settings
# nvidia-settings:  version 346.59  (buildmeister@swio-display-x86-rhel47-04)  Tue Mar 31 14:41:03 PDT 2015
 
Section "ServerLayout"
    Identifier     "Layout0"
    Screen      0  "Screen0" 0 0
    InputDevice    "Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard"
    InputDevice    "Mouse0" "CorePointer"
    Option         "Xinerama" "0"
EndSection
 
Section "Files"
EndSection
 
Section "InputDevice"
 
    # generated from default
    Identifier     "Mouse0"
    Driver         "mouse"
    Option         "Protocol" "auto"
    Option         "Device" "/dev/psaux"
    Option         "Emulate3Buttons" "no"
    Option         "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
EndSection
 
Section "InputDevice"
 
    # generated from default
    Identifier     "Keyboard0"
    Driver         "kbd"
EndSection
 
Section "Monitor"
    Identifier     "Monitor0"
    VendorName     "Unknown"
    ModelName      "BenQ RL2455"
    HorizSync       30.0 - 83.0
    VertRefresh     50.0 - 76.0
    Option         "DPMS"
EndSection
 
Section "Device"
    Identifier     "Device0"
    Driver         "nvidia"
    VendorName     "NVIDIA Corporation"
    BoardName      "GeForce GTX 970"
EndSection
 
Section "Screen"
    Identifier     "Screen0"
    Device         "Device0"
    Monitor        "Monitor0"
    DefaultDepth    24
    Option         "Stereo" "0"
    Option         "nvidiaXineramaInfoOrder" "DFP-0"
    Option         "metamodes" "DVI-I-1: nvidia-auto-select +1920+0, HDMI-0: nvidia-auto-select +0+0, DVI-D-0: nvidia-auto-select +3840+0"
    Option         "SLI" "Off"
    Option         "MultiGPU" "Off"
    Option         "BaseMosaic" "off"
    SubSection     "Display"
        Depth       24
    EndSubSection
EndSection
 

For the nvidia packages, I used the .run installer from nvidia's website so the only packages I have installed are:

nvidia-libgl
nvidia-utils

[QUOTE=rilez;47652900]Were you using the open source drivers before? Are you running a desktop or laptop GPU?

If you can start a basic X session, try running "exec gnome-session" and post what it does[/QUOTE]
When I initially installed arch I used open source drivers, then I used the ones from the AUR, and right now i'm using the ones from NVIDIA's website (which are probably the same from the AUR). Also its a gtx 970, a desktop GPU.

When I ran "exec gnome-session" it also came up with a something has gone wrong error :v:

[rilez]

[QUOTE=thatbooisaspy;47652990]If you mean my xorg config then here it is:
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For the nvidia packages, I used the .run installer from nvidia's website so the only packages I have installed are:

nvidia-libgl
nvidia-utils

When I initially installed arch I used open source drivers, then I used the ones from the AUR, and right now i'm using the ones from NVIDIA's website (which are probably the same from the AUR). Also its a gtx 970, a desktop GPU.

When I ran "exec gnome-session" it also came up with a something has gone wrong error :v:[/QUOTE]

Why are you using the .run installers? They won't properly blacklist nouveau or clean old drivers, and aren't drop in replacements for Arch. Just use the official Nvidia package on Arch, they extract the .run files anyway.

Also, I meant post the console log from running gnome-session

[thatbooisaspy]

[QUOTE=rilez;47653235]Why are you using the .run installers? They won't properly blacklist nouveau or clean old drivers, and aren't drop in replacements for Arch. Just use the official Nvidia package on Arch, they extract the .run files anyway.

Also, I meant post the console log from running gnome-session[/QUOTE]
I uninstalled the manual install with the .run --uninstall argument, and then installed the nvidia package from AUR and it seems to be booting up just nicely.

I'm not sure I what I did wrong the first time, but at least it works now :) Thanks for your help and hopefully I don't break it again.

[srobins]

Stupid UNIX questions part two: What exactly is a command line "utility"? I know there is the GNU Toolchain which supplies the big programming tools, but what exactly is stuff like grep, ls, rm, mkdir, cat, less, etc? Are these small programs invoked from the command line that come standard with UNIX operating systems, or are these functions built directly into the shell program?

[Levelog]

I went to install Damn Small Linux on this Toshiba, but it doesn't support boot from CD :( And I have no floppies.

[rilez]

[QUOTE=srobins;47655338]Stupid UNIX questions part two: What exactly is a command line "utility"? I know there is the GNU Toolchain which supplies the big programming tools, but what exactly is stuff like grep, ls, rm, mkdir, cat, less, etc? Are these small programs invoked from the command line that come standard with UNIX operating systems, or are these functions built directly into the shell program?[/QUOTE]

Depends on the utility. Most of them were designed for Unix, and ported to Unix-like operating systems afterwards (Linux, BSD, Minix). They're also available in OS X, because OS X [B]is[/B] Unix.

[srobins]

[QUOTE=rilez;47655488]Depends on the utility. Most of them were designed for Unix, and ported to Unix-like operating systems afterwards (Linux, BSD, Minix). They're also available in OS X, because OS X [B]is[/B] Unix.[/QUOTE]

Yeah but I mean, what actually are they? Are they commands hard-coded into the shell application, are they some kind of script that ship by default with most UNIX-like operating systems, are they their own individual binary executables?

[editline]4th May 2015[/editline]

As far as "depends on utility" goes, can you give some basic examples? I'm just trying to get a rough grasp on how the standard UNIX commands and tools are structured and how they actually work and where they exist on the system.

[mastersrp]

[QUOTE=srobins;47655338]Stupid UNIX questions part two: What exactly is a command line "utility"? I know there is the GNU Toolchain which supplies the big programming tools, but what exactly is stuff like grep, ls, rm, mkdir, cat, less, etc? Are these small programs invoked from the command line that come standard with UNIX operating systems, or are these functions built directly into the shell program?[/QUOTE]

Usually those programs are programs, not functions built into the shell. There's a tool for locating the programs called "which". It takes one parameter, and looks for that binary in your PATH environment variable, like so:

$ which cat
/bin/cat

Those are binary files, and if they're part of the GNU distribution, then they're usually called "GNU Coreutils", because they're the essential utilities for a functional GNU operating system.

[editline]4th May 2015[/editline]

Some shells do implement their own functions instead of using these utilities though, most common one is "echo". Bash does this, as well as zsh. Zsh also implements their own which function, to allow detection of built-in functions.

[Levelog]

This toshiba barely meets the minimum requirements of DSL though. Anyone know of anything lighter?

[rilez]

[QUOTE=Levelog;47655522]This toshiba barely meets the minimum requirements of DSL though. Anyone know of anything lighter?[/QUOTE]

[url]http://distro.ibiblio.org/tinycorelinux/[/url]

This is as small as it gets, AFAIK

[Levelog]

[QUOTE=rilez;47655543][url]http://distro.ibiblio.org/tinycorelinux/[/url]

This is as small as it gets, AFAIK[/QUOTE]

Alright, it's only got 16mb RAM, 75mhz processor, and a 500mb HDD so my options are limited. Time to find some floppies...

[srobins]

[QUOTE=mastersrp;47655509]Usually those programs are programs, not functions built into the shell. There's a tool for locating the programs called "which". It takes one parameter, and looks for that binary in your PATH environment variable, like so:

$ which cat
/bin/cat

Those are binary files, and if they're part of the GNU distribution, then they're usually called "GNU Coreutils", because they're the essential utilities for a functional GNU operating system.

[editline]4th May 2015[/editline]

Some shells do implement their own functions instead of using these utilities though, most common one is "echo". Bash does this, as well as zsh. Zsh also implements their own which function, to allow detection of built-in functions.[/QUOTE]

Thanks a ton, I had a feeling it was something like this but it wasn't much more than a guess.

[rilez]

[QUOTE=Levelog;47655562]Alright, it's only got 16mb RAM, 75mhz processor, and a 500mb HDD so my options are limited. Time to find some floppies...[/QUOTE]

[URL]http://distro.ibiblio.org/baslinux/[/URL]
[URL]http://www.angelfire.com/anime/db/gcl/[/URL]

My knowledge of Linux systems that would consider 28MB of RAM a luxury is basically non-existent. May God have mercy on your soul

[Levelog]

[QUOTE=rilez;47655576][URL]http://distro.ibiblio.org/baslinux/[/URL]
[URL]http://www.angelfire.com/anime/db/gcl/[/URL]

My knowledge of Linux systems that would consider 28MB of RAM a luxury is basically non-existent. May God have mercy on your soul[/QUOTE]

I just want to mess around with this laptop. I'm probably going to have to just get a floppy to point to the CD drive as a boot device, as the list of distros that will fit on a floppy is even slimmer.

[josm]

Does anyone know why these certain programs (keepass 2, electrum) look like this instead of using my set GTK theme?

[t]https://josm.uk/i/2015-05-04-163228_3360x1080_scrot.png[/t]

Firefox, thunderbird, thunar and most other programs use my GTK.

[DrTaxi]

As for KeePass, I'm pretty sure that uses Mono's WinForms implementation; I don't think you can apply GTK themes to that.

Electrum these days uses Qt, see [url=https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Uniform_Look_for_Qt_and_GTK_Applications]this article[/url].

[esalaka]

[QUOTE=josm;47657014]Does anyone know why these certain programs (keepass 2, electrum) look like this instead of using my set GTK theme?

[t]https://josm.uk/i/2015-05-04-163228_3360x1080_scrot.png[/t]

Firefox, thunderbird, thunar and most other programs use my GTK.[/QUOTE]

Keepass 2 is a Mono app, not GTK - if you want a GTK version, you could try KeepassX, it supports the kdbx format already.

Lacks a few features, but not enough to matter to me.

[srobins]

Where does everybody get such nice looking themes for their desktop environments / window managers? I always see nice, flat, minimalist themes floating around in screenshots but I can never find downloads for anything remotely good looking.