General Linux Chat and Small Questions v. Year of the Linux Desktop!
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I cannot for the life of me use "tiling only" on my desktop machines and workstations. Netbook? Awesome WM. Desktop? XFCE, XFCE, and XFCE. Even my banana pi runs with XFCE (and acts as a server with X running which is like the ideal server setup. Always have X running on your server, you never know when you're gonna need to run out of system resources)
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;47075889]What is it like to use a tiled window manager? For instance, dwm specifically.
I mean, when I think about it, 90% of the time I use either fullscreen windows, and the pretty much single exception is Steam chat and friends tab, which are always on fixed position and fixed size on the screen, so I am quite interested into idea of scrapping floating window manager but I am not sure I see the worth.[/QUOTE]
I've stopped worrying about the size of my windows and their location on the screen. A tiling WM also uses less resources than most desktop environments. So in the end, I feel like it saves me a lot of time (once you get past the initial learning curve)
dwm is an outlier. Compared to other tiling WM's, you're going to lose time trying to configure it. You have to edit the C source and recompile it to change anything. I'm learning C anyways, so I don't see that as much of a negative
Pick what suits you best. xmonad is Haskell. awesome is Lua. StumpWM is Lisp. qtile is Python. If you don't know any languages, i3 and spectrwm are good starting points for tiling wm's with text based configs. I also like [url=https://github.com/HarveyHunt/howm]howm[/url] but it's not very stable yet
I know C but I got most of my usual setup "functional" in unmodified vanilla dwm. I am bit busy these days but after my exams end I will look into properly moving onto it.
How to become a professional computer wizard and scare away all your friends:
1. Switch to a tiling WM.
2. Use a theme with dark, muted colors, or pastels. Plain ol' black is even better, and if your eyes can handle it, pair it with a bright primary color.
3. Open up one terminal with cmatrix, [URL="http://webpages.charter.net/tux/ncmatrix/index.htm"]ncmatrix[/URL] and/or [URL="https://gist.github.com/livibetter/4689307"]pipes[/URL], then open some programming mumbojumbo with vim (the more plugins the better)
4. Take a screenshot with scrot and upload to /r/unixporn
5. Write down your plan to do all of this on Gentoo
6. Install Gentoo
7. Die while installing Gentoo
[editline]4th February 2015[/editline]
[url=https://github.com/janbrennen/rice/]whoops i forgot about rice[/url]
This reminds me I was planning on setting up some of that MPD goodness on the RPi I have running the lights in my room.
Should probably take the time to improve the REST API for it too, so changing the light rgb/hsv values doesn't take >250ms.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;47076002]when I need to tell the time I start "watch date" in console
I am losing control over my graphics environment as well as my life[/QUOTE]
Why not set up a panel? Like something through dzen2 or bar?
[editline]You can keep your Wayland mumbo jumbo![/editline]
Once you finally feel bold enough to go X-less, you'll feel some real freedom.
[editline]sh best shell for maximum POSIX. But I myself go for mksh. Why am I telling you this? I don't know. Needed something to fill in this editline.[/editline]
[QUOTE=rilez;47076204]
dwm is an outlier. Compared to other tiling WM's, you're going to lose time trying to configure it. You have to edit the C source and recompile it to change anything. I'm learning C anyways, so I don't see that as much of a negative[/QUOTE]
That's a way to open a can of worms. Don't know why config.h is considered a "suckless" way to configure. Is the performance of hardcoding settings even worth it compared to being able to change them as you please via command arguments, run-control files, or heck, even environment variables?
[QUOTE=rilez;47076204]I've stopped worrying about the size of my windows and their location on the screen. A tiling WM also uses less resources than most desktop environments. So in the end, I feel like it saves me a lot of time (once you get past the initial learning curve)
dwm is an outlier. Compared to other tiling WM's, you're going to lose time trying to configure it. You have to edit the C source and recompile it to change anything. I'm learning C anyways, so I don't see that as much of a negative
Pick what suits you best. xmonad is Haskell. awesome is Lua. StumpWM is Lisp. qtile is Python. If you don't know any languages, i3 and spectrwm are good starting points for tiling wm's with text based configs. I also like [url=https://github.com/HarveyHunt/howm]howm[/url] but it's not very stable yet[/QUOTE]
Does anyone even use xmonad? Not many people know haskell, and since it's a lazy, functional language it's not easy to learn either.
Where do I get open source Nvidia drivers? I'm considering installing Xubuntu, and doing gaming on it.
The open drivers are used automatically when you install the OS.
The drivers drawing the screen when you boot from the install media, are the open drivers.
Okay, how would I go about updating them if needed?
The updates are delivered through the package manager, exactly like all other programs.
Considering you want to do "gaming", you want the exact opposite of open source drivers, you want the [URL="http://www.nvidia.com/Download/Find.aspx?lang=en-us"]Nvidia's binary drivers[/URL]. You should be able to install them fairly easily through
sudo apt-get install nvidia-[something]
This should do everything for you, without much hassle, I just don't know right now which of the packages has the newest drivers right now, I guess "nvidia-current" might be the most surefire shot
But these packages tend to be kinda outdated and I honestly stopped using this option in favor of installing the binary nvidia drivers manually, but that requires a little bit of working in pure text mode and fuckery with configs to convince Noveau to eat shit and die, so I would recommend you to go with the prepackaged drivers for now.
-never mind, didn't read the whole post-
Guys am I 1337 yet
[t]http://sinus.cz/~milan/1337.png[/t]
is that i3? if so how'd you get the title in the bar
This is the best thing.
[editline]5th February 2015[/editline]
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[QUOTE=DerpishCat;47080631]is that i3? if so how'd you get the title in the bar[/QUOTE]
It's dwm.
just fyi. cmatrix is really awful. make sure you turn it off before you do anything important, because it uses tons of CPU
I am literally the most 1337.
[vid]http://sinus.cz/~milan/so1337.mp4[/vid]
[editline]5th February 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=rilez;47080757]just fyi. cmatrix is really awful. make sure you turn it off before you do anything important, because it uses tons of CPU[/QUOTE]
And yeah I am just fucking around, I don't normally use Elinks for posting, either.
thought about trying a gentoo build this weekend. i decided to compile wine-staging (on arch) tonight, and now i'm having second thoughts
i've been compiling for an hour now, and i'm not even sure if my patch will work correctly. and thats all gentoo is. how do those dudes do it.
[QUOTE=rilez;47084039]thought about trying a gentoo build this weekend. i decided to compile wine-staging (on arch) tonight, and now i'm having second thoughts
i've been compiling for an hour now, and i'm not even sure if my patch will work correctly. and thats all gentoo is. how do those dudes do it.[/QUOTE]
I go to a friend's house every Tuesday, and I'm generally there all day so that's when I start updates most of the time.
[QUOTE=lavacano;47084364]I go to a friend's house every Tuesday, and I'm generally there all day so that's when I start updates most of the time.[/QUOTE]
You think I could knock out my first install over the course of three days? As someone fairly comfortable with Arch, and that sort of barebones philosophy
I'm not too worried about the day-to-day compilation, just the initial time investment. I have no point of reference for how long it would take
After finally getting the right wireless driver, fixing janky default touchpad drivers and mending the god awful default fan control settings. This ancient 2008 MacBook is running Arch Linux. I haven't turned this thing on in 3 years so it's good to get some use out of it now. Shame the battery is totally shot and I have to get a new one.
I took for granted how easy Arch is to install when all your hardware is supported out of the box. I'm actually amazed of how far linux has come, pretty much most shit is supported without any tinkering.
Tomorrow I might learn how to use a WM.
Also obligatory screenshot
[t]http://i.imgur.com/trDdhTQ.jpg[/t]
[QUOTE=rilez;47084480]You think I could knock out my first install over the course of three days? As someone fairly comfortable with Arch, and that sort of barebones philosophy
I'm not too worried about the day-to-day compilation, just the initial time investment. I have no point of reference for how long it would take[/QUOTE]
I can't tell you exactly how long it'd take without knowing what you plan to install initially or without having a reference for long your CPU takes to compile things, but it's probably going to be less than three days.
Hell, I once got an Athlon 64 up and running with KDE next-day, though that did include familiarity with the installation process and having most of the stuff built overnight while I was asleep.
[QUOTE=Sivics;47084665]After finally getting the right wireless driver, fixing janky default touchpad drivers and mending the god awful default fan control settings. This ancient 2008 MacBook is running Arch Linux. I haven't turned this thing on in 3 years so it's good to get some use out of it now. Shame the battery is totally shot and I have to get a new one.
I took for granted how easy Arch is to install when all your hardware is supported out of the box. I'm actually amazed of how far linux has come, pretty much most shit is supported without any tinkering.
Tomorrow I might learn how to use a WM.
Also obligatory screenshot
[t]http://i.imgur.com/trDdhTQ.jpg[/t][/QUOTE]
Background?
I don't know why I never tried Xubuntu. I love Ububtu except for Unity, so last night I finally put it back on my laptop and installed xfce. Perfect.
xfce is kind of heavy on the mouse controls unless you set keyboard shortcuts manually though which is a little annoying
As much as I don't like unity I appreciate the windows-8 style "press windows key and type application" and the application menu jazz
[QUOTE=fishyfish777;47087183]xfce is kind of heavy on the mouse controls unless you set keyboard shortcuts manually though which is a little annoying
As much as I don't like unity I appreciate the windows-8 style "press windows key and type application" and the application menu jazz[/QUOTE]
I've got the sensitivity high as I trackpad with my thumbs so the mouse heavy shit isn't a problem.
[QUOTE=fishyfish777;47087183]xfce is kind of heavy on the mouse controls unless you set keyboard shortcuts manually though which is a little annoying[/QUOTE]
A customisation you have to do once vs. permanently using a control scheme you don't like is annoying?
