General Linux Chat and Small Questions v. Year of the Linux Desktop! - Hardware & Software

Unity gets more hate than it deserves. It's mediocre and heavy but it's definitely better than a lot of the monstrosities I've seen vomited up by FOSS developers. Canonical is dumb and ethically questionable but it's important to widespread success that an actual, organized company backs the product and not just a loose assortment of hobbyist developers from the community.

[QUOTE=Lurr;49463699]Unity gets more hate than it deserves. It's mediocre and heavy but it's definitely better than a lot of the monstrosities I've seen vomited up by FOSS developers. Canonical is dumb and ethically questionable but it's important to widespread success that an actual, organized company backs the product and not just a loose assortment of hobbyist developers from the community.[/QUOTE] What des do you think are monstrosities? If the key to linux having mainstream success is to be backed by a shady ethically questionable company id rather it remain a hobbyist os tbh. Theres a reason i switched from windows to this and it isnt because of the game support

[QUOTE=Medevila;49463972]I love KDE Plasma but oh my god why must every DE be so garbage at high DPI support[/QUOTE] the only DE I've used on a high DPI display that seems to work decently enough must be gnome. all of the things attached to gnome are scaled correctly, but everything else, eh.

[QUOTE=Medevila;49463972]I love KDE Plasma but oh my god why must every DE be so garbage at high DPI support[/QUOTE] i thought every OS was shit at high DPI though

[QUOTE=Lurr;49463699]Unity gets more hate than it deserves. It's mediocre and heavy but it's definitely better than a lot of the monstrosities I've seen vomited up by FOSS developers. Canonical is dumb and ethically questionable but it's important to widespread success that an actual, organized company backs the product and not just a loose assortment of hobbyist developers from the community.[/QUOTE] Red hat seems to be good enough at being a legitimate company backing it without trying to fuck every standard and do shady shit. [editline]5th January 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=lavacano;49464476]i thought every OS was shit at high DPI though[/QUOTE] OSX is pretty solid.

[QUOTE=killerteacup;49464011]If the key to linux having mainstream success is to be backed by a shady ethically questionable company id rather it remain a hobbyist os tbh. Theres a reason i switched from windows to this and it isnt because of the game support[/QUOTE] Tons of open source code has been written by people paid by companies like Canonical and Red Hat to work on others' open source software. I dare say Linux would be nigh unusable without those companies throwing money at it.

[QUOTE=DrTaxi;49466058]Tons of open source code has been written by people paid by companies like Canonical and Red Hat to work on others' open source software. I dare say Linux would be nigh unusable without those companies throwing money at it.[/QUOTE] And these days, I don't trust either of these companies for anything except funding. Canonical's simply gone batshit insane, and Lennart Poettering has way too much power over things already, so I don't feel comfortable with Red Hat behind the wheel of Linux as a whole. That said, Red Hat distros do a better job of maintaining sanity than Ubuntu, even with RH's goofy package manager, so comparing RH to Canonical isn't entirely fair of me, but

We still have Suse as an option

Abandon ship to *BSD. [editline]6th January 2016[/editline] (or minix3 which includes the netbsd userland)

[QUOTE=Adam.GameDev;49466677]We still have Suse as an option[/QUOTE] Yeah I always forget about Suse. Aren't they a band?

[QUOTE=Levelog;49468079]Yeah I always forget about Suse. Aren't they a band?[/QUOTE] I dunno, tried playing a install CD/dvd backwards?

[QUOTE=lavacano;49466527]And these days, I don't trust either of these companies for anything except funding. Canonical's simply gone batshit insane, and Lennart Poettering has way too much power over things already, so I don't feel comfortable with Red Hat behind the wheel of Linux as a whole. That said, Red Hat distros do a better job of maintaining sanity than Ubuntu, even with RH's goofy package manager, so comparing RH to Canonical isn't entirely fair of me, but[/QUOTE] I don't mind it, as long as I can use whatever I want. That is Void Linux instead of Arch, Alpine instead of CentOS, and Funtoo/Gentoo instead of .. well, anything, because it can be what you want it to.

[QUOTE=Levelog;49468079]Yeah I always forget about Suse. Aren't they a band?[/QUOTE] Seriously though, why is Suse seemingly a joke?

[QUOTE=Adam.GameDev;49469277]Seriously though, why is Suse seemingly a joke?[/QUOTE] Same problem Red Hat distros have - if you want any sort of software that isn't 100% open source GPL-friendly, you have to add a shady third party repo that has a habit of breaking on a regular basis. The only difference is SUSE never managed to charm their way into enterprises the way Red Hat did

[QUOTE=lavacano;49469612]Same problem Red Hat distros have - if you want any sort of software that isn't 100% open source GPL-friendly, you have to add a shady third party repo that has a habit of breaking on a regular basis. The only difference is SUSE never managed to charm their way into enterprises the way Red Hat did[/QUOTE] Suse Studio is really neat though.

Hey sorry if this is the wrong place to post but it seemed like it might fit. I lent a usb stick to a friend who used it to install linux and didn't reformat it before giving it back. When I put it in my windows 10 machine I can only see it in disc management. From there I can't assign the drive a label or format it. Assistance appreciated.

Open start menu -> select "run..." and put [I]diskmgmt.msc[/I] in there and press enter. Should be possible to format it or delete partitions under there, but there's been one or two cases where I ended up wiping it bare under Linux again just to make Windows happy.

Thanks that's what I was trying when trying to format either partition I get this error. "Windows cannot format the volume because the volume is offline. Please try to online the volume by assigning the drive letter or path to the volume first." When I try assigning a volume the error is "The system cannot find the file specified." Added a screenshot if it helps. [url]http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2llhk5j&s=9#.Vo2NguiLTIU[/url]

[QUOTE=~Kiwi~v2;49461697]Nah. An average user can use Ubuntu just fine. Just have a little hope man. I started off that way and now I'm a Debian enthusiast.[/QUOTE] Unity is actually quite good if you want to just do things like Facebook or play games without a copy of Windows. I suppose the rest of the Ubuntu community doesn't like it because.... Why does nobody like Unity anyway? I mean personally I use Cinnamon because it reminds me fondly of Windows more then KDE.

[QUOTE=Van-man;49470770]Suse Studio is really neat though.[/QUOTE] It was good for me once I found an obscure forum topic talking about how to make cloud-init work openSUSE Build Service is pretty cool too

[QUOTE=TheTrainRider;49473890]Unity is actually quite good if you want to just do things like Facebook or play games without a copy of Windows. I suppose the rest of the Ubuntu community doesn't like it because.... Why does nobody like Unity anyway? I mean personally I use Cinnamon because it reminds me fondly of Windows more then KDE.[/QUOTE] Unity uses Compiz which is really outdated, and when Unity was released it was a buggy slow piece of shit. Also, canonical pulled some shady shit with Amazon web searches. Also people resent Canonical and Unity for dividing up the userbase because they started their own compositor/desktop manager, Mir, while Wayland was being developed. Most other desktop environments are going to rely on Wayland for pretty much everything, so when Mir was announced a lot of people were angry because people have been aiming to unify certain backend parts of Linux, like systemd, for some time so it was a step backwards Unity 7 isn't too bad anymore, and Unity 8 looks really nice, actually - but the move from Unity was unnecessary as well. Just felt a bit crap

Canonical's future plans for Ubuntu are the main reason I dislike them. MS, with billions of dollars and users, can't merge desktop and mobile - Canonical definitely can't. Ubuntu is pretty good but if Canonical starts vomiting mobile onto it I'll jump ship.

[QUOTE=Lurr;49475544]Canonical's future plans for Ubuntu are the main reason I dislike them. MS, with billions of dollars and users, can't merge desktop and mobile - Canonical definitely can't. Ubuntu is pretty good but if Canonical starts vomiting mobile onto it I'll jump ship.[/QUOTE] I also like their hypocrisy that they wanted to unite Linux users, then shortly after announces Mir after pretty much every other group had started work on Wayland. Somehow the concept of [I]"if wayland isn't to your liking, then contribute configuration patches to it so it's flexible enough to do what you want too"[/I] is lost upon Canonical.

I wouldn't mind Mir so much if they were developing it as a "Plan B" in case Wayland had some major issues or some advanced users decided Mir was better for them. In fact, I figured that's what they were doing at first, because competition's generally good, at least until I noticed Shuttleworth saying shit like this: [quote=http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1295]Mir is really important work. When lots of competitors attack a project on purely political grounds, you have to wonder what THEIR agenda is. At least we know now who belongs to the Open Source Tea Party😉[/quote] for obvious reasons, I don't like Mir much anymore

[QUOTE=lavacano;49479080]I wouldn't mind Mir so much if they were developing it as a "Plan B" in case Wayland had some major issues or some advanced users decided Mir was better for them. In fact, I figured that's what they were doing at first, because competition's generally good, at least until I noticed Shuttleworth saying shit like this: for obvious reasons, I don't like Mir much anymore[/QUOTE] Goddamn he needs a reality check ASA-now.

I finally fixed my Gentoo install. :dance: I had somehow screwed up /lib/ld-linux.so.2 so it was pointing to /lib/ld-2.21.so It should link to /lib32/ld-linux.so.2 which in turn links to /lib32/ld-2.21.so As a result all dynamic 32 bit programs were using the 64 bit dynamic linker which completely breaks shit. Lesson learned, keep out of /lib if you don't want to break shit.

[QUOTE=Chryseus;49480567]I finally fixed my Gentoo install. :dance: I had somehow screwed up /lib/ld-linux.so.2 so it was pointing to /lib/ld-2.21.so It should link to /lib32/ld-linux.so.2 which in turn links to /lib32/ld-2.21.so As a result all dynamic 32 bit programs were using the 64 bit dynamic linker which completely breaks shit. Lesson learned, keep out of /lib if you don't want to break shit.[/QUOTE] There's nothing better than the occasional /usr/lib32/libimportant.so.5.4.5 symlink to /usr/lib32/libimportant.so.12.5.2, just to make an awfully built application work somewhat. Messing around in /usr/lib or /lib or /usr/lib32 or /usr/lib64 is generally the worst idea, but god damn I hate it when there's no other way.

[QUOTE=mastersrp;49482774]There's nothing better than the occasional /usr/lib32/libimportant.so.5.4.5 symlink to /usr/lib32/libimportant.so.12.5.2, just to make an awfully built application work somewhat. Messing around in /usr/lib or /lib or /usr/lib32 or /usr/lib64 is generally the worst idea, but god damn I hate it when there's no other way.[/QUOTE] wouldn't it be better to symlink that somewhere else and include in the PATH for that program?

if anyone remembers my networking issue with Linux, I seem to have gotten somewhat further in realizing whats up. its a long time ago since I worked with the issue so I don't remember all the details, but it was about Linux failing to get a dhcp lease from the router. router log [code]Jan 8 10:00:00 unknown syslog.info root: -- MARK -- Jan 8 11:00:00 unknown syslog.info root: -- MARK -- Jan 8 12:00:00 unknown syslog.info root: -- MARK -- Jan 8 13:00:01 unknown syslog.info root: -- MARK -- Jan 8 14:00:00 unknown syslog.info root: -- MARK -- Jan 8 15:00:00 unknown syslog.info root: -- MARK -- Jan 8 15:44:43 unknown daemon.info dnsmasq-dhcp[12622]: DHCPREQUEST(br0) 192.168.1.2 44:8a:5b:9a:76:4a Jan 8 15:44:43 unknown daemon.info dnsmasq-dhcp[12622]: DHCPACK(br0) 192.168.1.2 44:8a:5b:9a:76:4a Prometheus Jan 8 16:00:00 unknown syslog.info root: -- MARK -- Jan 8 16:48:35 unknown daemon.info dnsmasq-dhcp[12622]: DHCPREQUEST(br0) 192.168.1.5 5c:93:a2:05:ab:c1 Jan 8 16:48:35 unknown daemon.info dnsmasq-dhcp[12622]: DHCPACK(br0) 192.168.1.5 5c:93:a2:05:ab:c1 BaneStation Jan 8 17:00:00 unknown syslog.info root: -- MARK -- Jan 8 17:53:04 unknown daemon.info dnsmasq-dhcp[12622]: RTR-SOLICIT(br0) 24:df:6a:4c:c7:58 Jan 8 17:53:05 unknown daemon.info dnsmasq-dhcp[12622]: DHCPDISCOVER(br0) 24:df:6a:4c:c7:58 Jan 8 17:53:05 unknown daemon.info dnsmasq-dhcp[12622]: DHCPOFFER(br0) 192.168.1.14 24:df:6a:4c:c7:58 Jan 8 17:53:05 unknown daemon.info dnsmasq-dhcp[12622]: DHCPDISCOVER(br0) 24:df:6a:4c:c7:58 Jan 8 17:53:05 unknown daemon.info dnsmasq-dhcp[12622]: DHCPOFFER(br0) 192.168.1.14 24:df:6a:4c:c7:58 Jan 8 17:53:05 unknown daemon.info dnsmasq-dhcp[12622]: DHCPREQUEST(br0) 192.168.1.14 24:df:6a:4c:c7:58 Jan 8 17:53:05 unknown daemon.info dnsmasq-dhcp[12622]: DHCPACK(br0) 192.168.1.14 24:df:6a:4c:c7:58 android-a731783ed9f5236d Jan 8 17:53:08 unknown daemon.info dnsmasq-dhcp[12622]: RTR-SOLICIT(br0) 24:df:6a:4c:c7:58 Jan 8 17:53:12 unknown daemon.info dnsmasq-dhcp[12622]: RTR-SOLICIT(br0) 24:df:6a:4c:c7:58 Jan 8 18:00:00 unknown syslog.info root: -- MARK -- Jan 8 19:00:00 unknown syslog.info root: -- MARK -- Jan 8 19:34:23 unknown user.debug init[1]: 182: pptp peerdns disabled Jan 8 19:34:23 unknown daemon.info dnsmasq[12622]: exiting on receipt of SIGTERM Jan 8 19:34:23 unknown daemon.info dnsmasq[12690]: started, version 2.72+ cachesize 1500 Jan 8 19:34:23 unknown daemon.info dnsmasq[12690]: compile time options: IPv6 GNU-getopt no-RTC no-DBus no-i18n no-IDN DHCP DHCPv6 no-Lua TFTP no-conntrack ipset Tomato-helper auth DNSSEC loop-detect Jan 8 19:34:23 unknown daemon.info dnsmasq[12690]: asynchronous logging enabled, queue limit is 5 messages Jan 8 19:34:23 unknown daemon.info dnsmasq-dhcp[12690]: DHCP, IP range 192.168.1.2 -- 192.168.1.51, lease time 1d Jan 8 19:34:23 unknown daemon.info dnsmasq-dhcp[12690]: DHCPv6, IP range ::1 -- ::255.255.255.255, lease time 12h, template for br* Jan 8 19:34:23 unknown daemon.info dnsmasq-dhcp[12690]: DHCPv4-derived IPv6 names on br* Jan 8 19:34:23 unknown daemon.info dnsmasq-dhcp[12690]: router advertisement on br* Jan 8 19:34:23 unknown daemon.info dnsmasq-dhcp[12690]: IPv6 router advertisement enabled Jan 8 19:34:23 unknown daemon.info dnsmasq[12690]: reading /etc/resolv.dnsmasq Jan 8 19:34:23 unknown daemon.info dnsmasq[12690]: using nameserver PUBLICIP??#53 Jan 8 19:34:23 unknown daemon.info dnsmasq[12690]: using nameserver PUBLICIP??#53 Jan 8 19:34:23 unknown daemon.info dnsmasq[12690]: using nameserver PUBLICIP#53 Jan 8 19:34:23 unknown daemon.info dnsmasq[12690]: using nameserver PUBLICIP#53 Jan 8 19:34:23 unknown daemon.info dnsmasq[12690]: read /etc/hosts - 3 addresses Jan 8 19:34:23 unknown daemon.info dnsmasq[12690]: read /etc/dnsmasq/hosts/hosts - 7 addresses Jan 8 19:34:23 unknown daemon.info dnsmasq-dhcp[12690]: read /etc/dnsmasq/dhcp/dhcp-hosts Jan 8 20:00:00 unknown syslog.info root: -- MARK --[/code] I don't remember when I got home today (I think 17:54 as my phone got its lease then), but my PC had woken from sleep at one point (15 some time I think, my Windows hostname is Prometheus). I used Windows for a while and figured I'd boot into Linux since I feel more comfortable there and had no plans to play anything today which I rarely ever do anyway. so I reboot the computer and boot into Linux only to be disappointed to see that the dhcp lease failed to be delivered today. I figured I wanted to make that work since the provided cable for my Nexus 6P is so incredibly short so if I'm gonna tether I can't use my phone so I rebooted again. no dice. I went for another reboot, still no go. I said fuck it and started tethering. I've been using Linux very frequently since the start of December / end of November as I haven't launched a game in ages so I have very rarely even booted into Windows. the odd thing is that at the same time, I've gotten the dhcp lease on Linux every single time. yesterday I booted into Windows though, left it on sleep, went over to a friend and slept there, and now that I'm back today after using Windows a little, Linux is no longer able to get a lease. this makes me think that if Windows gets a lease, Linux will not be able to fetch its own lease when it asks for it. I assume that's because of the router getting confused over a single machine asking for two leases? I have no idea, I don't know enough about this to really know why it isn't working. I don't know for sure if this is right, but it seems plausible. why else would it work every time when not using Windows but stop working as soon as Windows is booted once? [editline]8th January 2016[/editline] tried deleting the active lease to get a new one for Linux, but the router doesn't even acknowledge the DHCPDISCOVER requests. odd

Would you guys recommend Fedora for a beginner, or should I stick to Ubuntu? I did use Ubuntu (Unity) for a bit a while ago so I have an idea of how Linux is like. [editline]8th January 2016[/editline] Ubuntu with Gnome is my second option btw cause I heard it's better than Unity.