General Linux Chat and Small Questions v. Year of the Linux Desktop!

[Thelurker1234]

[QUOTE=PredGD;49678448]favorite GUI music player? Spotify works swell and I wouldn't mind to continue using it but I want radio functionality. Spotify lacks this (for real online radios, it only got its own radio thing that isn't real radio) so maybe I should switch to a client that is kind of all in one. all I really need is Spotify support, last.fm support and support for internet radio.[/QUOTE]

You can use mopidy and ncmpcpp I think. Though I guess curses technically isn't a GUI. With a little effort (or copy-paste) ncmpcpp can look pretty great

[Van-man]

[QUOTE=PredGD;49678448]favorite GUI music player? Spotify works swell and I wouldn't mind to continue using it but I want radio functionality. Spotify lacks this (for real online radios, it only got its own radio thing that isn't real radio) so maybe I should switch to a client that is kind of all in one. all I really need is Spotify support, last.fm support and support for internet radio.[/QUOTE]

[URL="https://www.clementine-player.org"]Clementine [/URL]is my go-to music player, got some niggles but overall the best for especially online radio.

Also supports last.fm and scrobbling, but I've personally never used that.

[Stonecycle]

[QUOTE=PredGD;49678448]favorite GUI music player? Spotify works swell and I wouldn't mind to continue using it but I want radio functionality. Spotify lacks this (for real online radios, it only got its own radio thing that isn't real radio) so maybe I should switch to a client that is kind of all in one. all I really need is Spotify support, last.fm support and support for internet radio.[/QUOTE]

DeaDBeeF. Unlike Clementine, it doesn't suck. Not in support of Spotify, but there is a Last.FM plugin for scrobbling and internet radio streams are easy to add.

[editline]If I may make an interjection...[/editline]

Come to think of it, Spotify sucks just as well.

[supervoltage]

Why is it that some pieces of text on Code::Blocks are overlapping and/or look like spaces are missing?

[img]http://imgur.com/oBLXoZE.png[/img]
[img]http://imgur.com/5edyrtc.png[/img]

I had a look around the settings but couldn't find a fix for this.

[Lyokanthrope]

-snip- wow I can't read today

[lavacano]

[QUOTE=PredGD;49678448]favorite GUI music player? Spotify works swell and I wouldn't mind to continue using it but I want radio functionality. Spotify lacks this (for real online radios, it only got its own radio thing that isn't real radio) so maybe I should switch to a client that is kind of all in one. all I really need is Spotify support, last.fm support and support for internet radio.[/QUOTE]

foobar2000 runs fine in wine, and most of its components will work fine as well, only one i've had problems with so far is foo_w7shell

if you don't want to run it in wine, clementine is basically a continuation of good ol' Amarok 1.x

[Liam]

i use banshee but that's just cos i'm used to it, not because it's good

[SocMinarch]

I'm a weirdo and I use Steam Music because I couldn't be bothered to install a second music player

[TheCactusman]

I'm wanting to install Linux on a new hard drive (dual boot with Windows 10) and I'm wanting an answer to the age old question: What distribution should I go for? I have Elementary OS on a USB but I don't know whether it's the best option for me.

[SocMinarch]

Ubuntu and Mint are probably the best choices. They're simple and you get good software support

[larikang]

The old Arch wiki article [url=https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Bash/Prompt_customization&oldid=419039]Color Bash Prompt[/url] has been really shitty for quite some time. It was basically just another list of random, crazy complicated prompts that people were so proud of that they had to post them somewhere (as seen on every Linux blog ever written).

So I tore that shit down and built it anew as [url=https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Bash/Prompt_customization]Bash/Prompt customization[/url]. Now it documents all different methods of prompt customization, so that you can actually learn how to customize it from scratch without blindly copy-pasting some gibberish escape codes. I learned some pretty interesting stuff in the process.

The craziest thing is the terminfo databases. I had a vague idea that they indicated how the shell changes font colors and stuff, but it turns out its way more complicated than that. It actually defines a tiny stack-based programming language to generate escape sequences. Look at this shit for defining a color

initc=\E]4;%p1%d;rgb\:%p2%{255}%*%{1000}%/%2.2X/%p3%{255}%*%{1000}%/%2.2X/%p4%{255}%*%{1000}%/%2.2X\E\\

or this one for changing the font color

sgr=%?%p9%t\E(0%e\E(B%;\E[0%?%p6%t;1%;%?%p5%t;2%;%?%p2%t;4%;%?%p1%p3%|%t;7%;%?%p4%t;5%;%?%p7%t;8%;m

[Thelurker1234]

[QUOTE=TheCactusman;49683232]I'm wanting to install Linux on a new hard drive (dual boot with Windows 10) and I'm wanting an answer to the age old question: What distribution should I go for? I have Elementary OS on a USB but I don't know whether it's the best option for me.[/QUOTE]

What are you looking for?

Do you like fucking with things (aka, configuring stuff)? Do you like FOSS software exclusively? Do you want something to "just werk"? Do you hate yourself? Does e-peen matter?

[URL]https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/Babbies_First_Linux#Desktop_operating_systems[/URL]
You can take a look through that, or, if you don't really know what you're looking for, may as well just go with Ubuntu, or one of its flavours e.g. kubuntu if you want an interface more like windows.

[Samiam]

[QUOTE=Adam.GameDev;49683411]Ubuntu and Mint are probably the best choices. They're simple and you get good software support[/QUOTE]

I don't know why people are disagreeing. A deb-based distro is the best to start off, especially since many newcomer Linux guides will assume that you are on Ubuntu, and you'll be able to follow those guides if you're on Mint or Debian.

[Lyokanthrope]

[QUOTE=Samiam22;49689354]I don't know why people are disagreeing. A deb-based distro is the best to start off, especially since many newcomer Linux guides will assume that you are on Ubuntu, and you'll be able to follow those guides if you're on Mint or Debian.[/QUOTE]

Because it's cool to hate on Ubuntu/Mint.

[Lyokanthrope]

[QUOTE=~Kiwi~v2;49689414]ftfy

Also cool people use whatever distro is best suited for them. So *Buntu and Mint is a very good place to start since everything "just" works mostly out of the box.[/QUOTE]

Exactly - they're good starting points, plus a lot of people package specifically for them so they're probably best for software compatibility.

[vlad]

you guys know how to remove "ghost" EFI entries? I use Clover with Arch and Windows coexisting but for some reason there are 3 additional entries for Windows. I think the entries point towards my HDD but I'm not sure. I've removed all the entries I wasn't familiar with using efibootmgr which didn't change a thing. I had Windows installed on my HDD a long time ago before my SSD arrived, perhaps some remains after that. though I'm fairly sure I formatted it at one point but I'm not 100% sure

[editline]8th February 2016[/editline]

regarding beginner distro, I'd almost argue that Arch would be a good choice. it's not as daunting as its reputation claims, the beginner guide has everything covered unless you have some obscure hardware / very new hardware.

I didn't learn Linux properly until I dived into Arch. there never was a point in getting familiar with Linux as Ubuntu / Mint had everything covered with GUIs.

[editline]8th February 2016[/editline]

the extra entries say

"Boot Windows from HDD"
"Boot Windows from EFI"
"Boot Windows from "

my efibootmgr

BootCurrent: 0002
Timeout: 1 seconds
BootOrder: 0002,0001,0009,000C,0000,000D,000E,000B,000A
Boot0000* Windows Boot Manager
Boot0001* Clover start vmlinuz-linux at EFI
Boot0002* Clover start bootmgfw.efi at EFI
Boot0009* Linux Boot Manager
Boot000A* UEFI: Built-in EFI Shell 
Boot000B* Hard Drive 
Boot000C* UEFI OS
Boot000D* UEFI: IP4 Intel(R) Ethernet Connection (2) I218-V
Boot000E* UEFI: IP6 Intel(R) Ethernet Connection (2) I218-V

[Lyokanthrope]

I would say gaining some basic Linux knowledge would be better than jumping straight into Arch. I like to see Arch as an intermediate distro.

[Thelurker1234]

[QUOTE=Lyokanthrope;49695199]I would say gaining some basic Linux knowledge would be better than jumping straight into Arch. I like to see Arch as an intermediate distro.[/QUOTE]

Agreed, while you can push through pretty much anything easily with the wiki, it'd probably still be a bit offputting for a new person. At least ubuntu and such will get one over the "oh god things feel so different" stage

[Lyokanthrope]

[QUOTE=thelurker1234;49695410]Agreed, while you can push through pretty much anything easily with the wiki, it'd probably still be a bit offputting for a new person. At least ubuntu and such will get one over the "oh god things feel so different" stage[/QUOTE]

I mean if such a person is already mostly computer literate with Windows I would happily say go for it
But if they're not [I]that[/I] great, starting with a debian based distro is probably a far better choice

[Levelog]

I mean google how to do anything in Linux and 50% will be Debian based distros, 33% RHEL based, the rest mixed between everything else. Debian based is a pretty solid choice.

[Lyokanthrope]

[QUOTE=Levelog;49695466]I mean google how to do anything in Linux and 50% will be Debian based distros, 33% RHEL based, the rest mixed between everything else. Debian based is a pretty solid choice.[/QUOTE]

and/or you'll find an arch wiki article about it

[rilez]

Debian is better for newbies. You have .deb support and huge community support, without the other crap that comes with using Ubuntu. Most Linux tutorials are going to use apt, and a lot of multiplatform applications just host .deb files, which would be confusing for newbies on any other distribution.

I don't think Debian is the best distribution, but if you get confused, there's a lot of people who can help you

[Lyokanthrope]

[QUOTE=rilez;49695649]Debian is better for newbies. You have .deb support and huge community support, without the other crap that comes with using Ubuntu. Most Linux tutorials are going to use apt, and a lot of multiplatform applications just host .deb files, which would be confusing for newbies on any other distribution.

I don't think Debian is the best distribution, but if you get confused, there's a lot of people who can help you[/QUOTE]

to be [I]fair[/I] a big chunk of debs out there are built for Ubuntu and Mint rather than for Debian

[SocMinarch]

[QUOTE=Levelog;49695466]I mean google how to do anything in Linux and 50% will be Debian based distros, 33% RHEL based, the rest mixed between everything else. Debian based is a pretty solid choice.[/QUOTE]

And then you end up using the Arch wiki anyway because there's no guides that apply to any currently supported version of Debian

[Van-man]

[QUOTE=Adam.GameDev;49696653]And then you end up using the Arch wiki anyway because there's no guides that apply to any currently supported version of Debian[/QUOTE]

Unless it's for the init system, then guides for debian 7 works for 8 in my experience, same with 14.04 guides on debian 8.
If it wasn't for systemd, then there wouldn't be any big changes.

[vlad]

surprisingly enough I've actually had more issues figuring out how to get things running on Debian compared to Arch. I don't feel like there's a good, single repository of information for Debian like there is with Arch. if I want something running on Arch, I just check the wiki which most likely has everything covered. if I try to follow the Arch wiki on Debian, I usually end up not even finding the packages and when I do there could be minor changes that makes the information I'm reading useless.

I suppose Debian and its derivatives has many positives but I'm not really able to get behind their package system. I've been spoiled by pacman and yaourt, along with the wealth of repositories and wiki pages listed on the Arch wiki. I've never ended up with a dependency spaghetti on Arch but with Debian, Ubuntu and Mint my installations have always ended in dependency spaghetti.

[larikang]

I love Arch, but I generally don't recommend it to anyone. If you're the kind of person who will like Arch, you'll find your way there eventually.

I'd rather recommend Ubuntu so that there can be one more person in the world who hates it.

[vlad]

perhaps Arch as a complete beginner as in never tried any form of Linux before is a bit of a stretch, like what thelurker1234 said, it might be a good idea to begin with something more beginner friendly like Ubuntu just to get that feel of "everything is different and weird" before actually learning how to operate it.

since Manjaro was mentioned, perhaps that is something that -could- work for a beginner? I haven't tried it but it seems like something I'd love as a complete beginner. being built on Arch which means you have access to that sweet sweet pacman and AUR, but with added user friendliness through GUIs.

[Xonax]

I've been on Linux Mint for a month now and I am still installing games but I have found that a lot...every source game runs like crap with a ton of Frame dips and freezing. I have also found that Sven Co-op and Terraria crash on startup.
I am using fglrx-updates drivers, my GPU is AMD R9 270x.
Anyone have any idea's or is it normal for the source games?

[editline]8th February 2016[/editline]

Okay right, turns out Tear Free (in AMD Catalyst, it is for vsync, turned it on to fix something in a game I am working on) was the culprit of the awful FPS in the source games. The FPS dips, but not as badly as it did before, Portal was really bad, unplayable, but with Tear free off, I can play it with ease.

Also terraria works after verifying the integrity, Sven Coop does not.

[vlad]

I've set up Let's Encrypt SSL certs on my VPS which works swell, however I'm having issues with generating a certificate for two of my subdomains which are protected by htpasswd.

virtual host snippet

       location / {
                auth_basic "Passworded Directory";
                auth_basic_user_file /home/predme/.htpasswd;
        }

        location /.well-known {
                allow all;
        }

I need the .well-known file available to all despite the root directory being protected with a password. how would I go about doing this?

[editline]9th February 2016[/editline]

I should probably mention I'm running nginx