General Linux Chat and Small Questions v. Year of the Linux Desktop! - Hardware & Software

[QUOTE=PredGD;50165241]oh no, what are you saying? I am the unlucky(?) owner of a 780Ti, does it not work properly for nvidia users? that wasn't expected at all, usually AMD users gets shafted on the Linux front from what I've seen (though it worked pretty swell using my two 6870's when I still used those) [editline]20th April 2016[/editline] already planning for glorious GPU passthrough and I just realized, that iGPU probably won't be able to drive 144hz. ugh. suppose I could toss in one of my old 6870's and use that for Linux while using my current card for VM?[/QUOTE] Nvidia GPUs have been known to refuse to run when they detect they're in a VM due to a convenient "bug", you can get around it by disabling some things afaik but it can hurt performance a little bit. iGPUs are pretty beefy nowadays so it may be able to push 144hz on its own, but you never know. Though the AMD solution should work too I'm really excited to do this for my next build though. Hopefully I can run xen on zen hahah [sp]post-partum abortion for me please[/sp] edit: actually, according to the arch wiki nowadays with qemu one can spoof it easily to make the nvidia GPUs work just fine. So that's neat

Can you do GPU passthrough with just an APU?

Are you talking about it on its own? Because you need two GPUs for this. As long as you satisfy that and the extensions are supported you should be good

Not sure why the iGPU would have to do 144Hz, the desktop experience doesn't get much of an added benefit from more fluid motion, and you're going to have the screen connected to the GPU that's passed over to the VM anyways, and that GPU can drive it at 144Hz.

[QUOTE=nikomo;50169064]Not sure why the iGPU would have to do 144Hz, the desktop experience doesn't get much of an added benefit from more fluid motion, and you're going to have the screen connected to the GPU that's passed over to the VM anyways, and that GPU can drive it at 144Hz.[/QUOTE] there's no "benefit" so to say of having 144hz enabled in the desktop but it does make everything so much smoother and nicer to look at. even though I've had the screen for over a year I still find myself dragging windows around since it's so satisfying to see that smoothness. definitely a must to run stuff at 144hz, games or not. I was under the impression that you'd have to connect a different GPU for Linux to use as the VM will need the GPU you want to pass through all by itself? or are you talking about 144hz in the VM? if so, I find it to be a must still to have Linux ran at 144hz

Wow, I didn't realise Qemu could get around Nvidia's limitations now. I wonder if it'll end up being cat and mouse between them though.

I have only been using Linux distors (mainly Ubuntu) since December, so I have never been around for a LTS Ubuntu release yet. I have been loving Linux so much, so far; switching to it has been one of the best choices I have ever made regarding my computer. I have a question regarding the Ubuntu 16 LTS release tomorrow: Since I have never been around for an LTS release of Ubuntu yet, so I was wondering; should I install it as soon as it gets released or should I wait a few days? I know that the beta has been out for a while and tested heavily by the community, but with that said; will it be stable and secure when it's released or should I wait a while before downloading it? Another question: should I install it by directly upgrading from the software updater or manually install it? Which is better? Thank you for any and all answers! :smile:

it has been and it is being tested by alot of people, no reason to be worried. [url]https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseSchedule[/url] you can install it as soon as it's released or even now. however if you wish to get to the next level, consider trying something like Arch Linux, It's rolling release so you don't need to worry about BIG updates, and I find it easier to install programs on arch, since it has so many packages.

Missed two weeks of updates again, downloaded 217 packages of ~600 MB (2 GB install, net 30 MB) Arch is quite stable in the sense it never broke on me whatever situation I threw it at GNU/Linux programs and libraries are getting along better and better over the years, it's not 2002 anymore, any rolling distro with reasonable maintainers can be as stable as the older LTS distros few years ago. [editline]20th April 2016[/editline] For beginners to get comfortable with linux it's a must to have a fully configured readytogo desktop distro like ubuntu which is a better reason to recommend it instead of arch

Arch is more stable than its reputation claims from my experience, but still, it is a rolling distro. if you want to guarantee stability then Arch is not really a wise choice, but I can say from my own experience that I've never had issues with stability or severe issues on Arch.

[QUOTE=Lyoko2;50169760]it has been and it is being tested by alot of people, no reason to be worried. [url]https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseSchedule[/url] you can install it as soon as it's released or even now. however if you wish to get to the next level, consider trying something like Arch Linux, It's rolling release so you don't need to worry about BIG updates, and I find it easier to install programs on arch, since it has so many packages.[/QUOTE]Oh, thanks for the information. I've been wanting to check out Arch for a while now. I'll probably try it on an old laptop that I have; I always use that laptop to try different stuff.

Speaking of Arch, here it is, boys. [t]http://i.cubeupload.com/d1aFn1.png[/t] Still might change a few icons around, but for the most part I think I'm all set up. I recolored and edited the faenza-dark icon pack because I liked it but I wanted it in blue :v:

[QUOTE=ben1066;50169568]Wow, I didn't realise Qemu could get around Nvidia's limitations now. I wonder if it'll end up being cat and mouse between them though.[/QUOTE] Imo if one is planning to do this they should just tell nvidia to fuck off and get an AMD if possible rather than relying on this long-term. From what I know, nvidia workstation GPUs (tesla, and quatro) will work just fine when passing through. I am just making an assumption here, but nvidia is most likely trying to force people into their overpriced workstation GPUs. I think its the same reason I was unable to install nvidia drivers on windows server. Also regarding Ubuntu LTS, you can consider to it be a sort of enterprise-grade of Ubuntu. So when one is released, you can expect it to be very well tested and very stable.

[QUOTE=~Kiwi~v2;50171126]IMO if you want arch but scared of the install process. Manjaro. Install it like Ubuntu but it's still Arch deep down in the core, it's probably my second favorite Linux distribution/flavor to work with(sorry still a hardcore Debian fan but I'm waiting to see what Debian 9 offers). Also Evil I'm gonna need your conky config. Shit looks good man.[/QUOTE] I feel like installing Arch the right way at least once is a good learning experience, even if it's just in a vm. If someone's too scared to do at least that, they should probably stick to Ubuntu :v: also thanks my man I'll upload it in a sec. It's a modified version of someone elses' config they publicly posted somewhere, I'll try to find the original too since it had some stuff I cut out/changed

[t]http://randomsyntax.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Screenshot-150214-013916.png[/t] [URL="https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1385663#p1385663"]Here's the o.g.[/URL] [URL="http://pastebin.com/BHHcgTw9"]And here's mine.[/URL] mine is a little weird to accomodate my laptop's specific hardware so you're probably better off editing the og you'll need conky-colors and lm-sensors, in additon to conky-nvidia if you're using a nvidia card. [editline]20th April 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=~Kiwi~v2;50171449]If you think about it too hard. Is there really a right way of installing anything?[/QUOTE] nah, but what I mean is Arch isn't a good distro for people who are scared of the terminal. Installing Arch is pretty easy, it just takes a few commands in the terminal with little-to-no guesswork; if someone isn't willing to do even that the first time, Ubuntu is probably more to their tastes anyway

[QUOTE=~Kiwi~v2;50171449]If you think about it too hard. Is there really a right way of installing anything?[/QUOTE] Yeah, LFS. Also man you guys posting your desktops make me really wanna actually rice something. I do prefer minimal WMs except on my laptop which is a numix'd gnome3. I essentially set up the WM to work well, and then stop. It's usually pretty disgusting

customizing my desktop was 100% worth it when I was using a relatively stock Ubuntu Mate install I subconsciously thought it felt and looked kinda cheap, or like it was just an "other" OS but now that I've put a little work into my Arch install it feels nicer and better than my Windows 10 install, and I really didn't even change that much

[QUOTE=thelurker1234;50167493]Are you talking about it on its own? Because you need two GPUs for this. As long as you satisfy that and the extensions are supported you should be good[/QUOTE] Could you set up what's on the bare metal headlessly, and then pass through your single GPU to a VM?

So a month or so ago I posted about how I couldnt get mint mate working on my desktop with a GTX980ti, and got some good advice on how to get it going in norunmode, then install the graphics drivers. I did that, and installed the open source nvidia drivers (from xorg-edgers, installed with synaptic) and after restarting, it still wouldnt do anything but a black screen, without putting in norunmode again. Is there anything else I need to do to make this work?

16.04 LTS release day is today lads.

You know what that means. Fuck all since I went with Debian 8 for my server since 16.04 wasn't out yet, when I reinstalled it 4 months ago.

Gonna do a test run of 16.04 server, and see if there are any obvious issues. Then ill probably migrate one or 2 personal webapp servers over to see how it works out.

I'll probably do Ubuntu Server on any personal server deployments I do, from now on. The desktop side of Ubuntu is fucking insane, but Ubuntu LTS on server is decent.

well I'll be crucified for this: [img]http://i.imgur.com/8nBHTQl.png?1[/img] That's my Arch server

[QUOTE=nikomo;50173925]I'll probably do Ubuntu Server on any personal server deployments I do, from now on. The desktop side of Ubuntu is fucking insane, but Ubuntu LTS on server is decent.[/QUOTE] I like Ubuntu Server. It's "boring", Stable, doesen't break things and it's packages are somewhat recent. I'd go for CentOS if it weren't for PHP, NodeJS and Ruby versions being ancient and every damn webapp or framework requiring the most bleeding-edge version of those to work.

[QUOTE=Lyoko2;50174002]well I'll be crucified for this: [img]http://i.imgur.com/8nBHTQl.png?1[/img] That's my Arch server[/QUOTE] Scaleway is pretty good. Why arch though?

[QUOTE=mastersrp;50174153]Scaleway is pretty good. Why arch though?[/QUOTE] Easier to install software, handle services, documentation, pacman [B][U]never[/U][/B] breaks unlike ubuntu's apt-get.

In what way does apt-get break?

[QUOTE=~Kiwi~v2;50174199]Everything breaks. I've had pacman break recently due to it holding broken keys and then also not accepting new keys. Took quite a bit of work but hey I did fix it. apt-get has also broken in the past on holding broken dependencies when this wasn't actually the case. Saying it never breaks is complete arse.[/QUOTE] How would apt not accept new keys? You just add them to the keyring. It doesn't even require apt-related tools to do that, as far as I know. With that said, apt-get hasn't ever failed on me as in breakage. In my entire time of using Linux, for at least 8 years now, if not 10, it hasn't happened. At least, not on it's own. Hardware issues, disk failures, have been causing issues, but I haven't ever had any issues beyond that. I guess it depends on the use cases and how it's being used. Personally I'm not really fond of the whole apt and aptitude and dpkg family of tools. Yum and DNF don't ring many bells either, but the RPM format makes more sense to me than the DEB format.

I'm a bit weird and I use Debian on my desktop and openSUSE on my server because I've never been able to create my own Ubuntu cloud images