General Linux Chat and Small Questions v. Year of the Linux Desktop! - Hardware & Software

[QUOTE=josm;50277798]It literally takes like 10 mins max.[/QUOTE] if you're familiar with the install then it'll take just a few minutes, much faster than installing anything else (OS related) in my experience. though there'll definitely be some fiddling around if you're new to it, I've had plenty of troubleshooting to do in my earlier days when installing it, even nuked my SSD a few times by accident. then again, Arch was something that happened to me when I was still pretty new to Linux in general. must had installed Mint and Ubuntu once each prior, then it was straight into Arch (and never left) [editline]8th May 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=LennyPenny;50277533]So I installed void linux today and I have to say: I like it a lot more than arch [editline]8th May 2016[/editline] There's a lot less fucking around but I don't even feel like I lost any of the control and customization[/QUOTE] what are the major differences compared to Arch? would be willing to try something new but the aur

[QUOTE=PredGD;50277929]what are the major differences compared to Arch? would be willing to try something new but the aur[/QUOTE] Runit is one of the big ones, it's an excellent minimal init/supervisor. It comes with a musl libc version which is neat, shame they've only got an EU mirrors for musl repos. XBPS is a pretty fast, featureful, and intuitive package manager, though, so is pacman, both blow apt and yum/dnf out of the water imo. Their closest equivalent to the AUR is void-packages which is a lot like a BSD ports system, and actually, many of the choices made are reminiscent of BSD since the main developer of void comes from netbsd. void-packages also makes it pretty easy to contribute. [URL]http://www.voidlinux.eu/[/URL] main page is pretty simple with links to info about runit, xbps, etc..

[QUOTE=thelurker1234;50277760] What do you mean by a lot less fucking around though?[/QUOTE] I generally had a lot less problems when getting to a "final" setup with a wm and stuff (but that might be just getting more experiences with linux in general), the package manager + the choice of just being able to build from source also makes things super easy The ncurses setup was nice too [editline]8th May 2016[/editline] I also managed to do everything with the void wiki being down lol

[QUOTE=thelurker1234;50278000]Runit is one of the big ones, it's an excellent minimal init/supervisor. It comes with a musl libc version which is neat, shame they've only got an EU mirrors for musl repos. XBPS is a pretty fast, featureful, and intuitive package manager, though, so is pacman, both blow apt and yum/dnf out of the water imo. Their closest equivalent to the AUR is void-packages which is a lot like a BSD ports system, and actually, many of the choices made are reminiscent of BSD since the main developer of void comes from netbsd. void-packages also makes it pretty easy to contribute. [URL]http://www.voidlinux.eu/[/URL] main page is pretty simple with links to info about runit, xbps, etc..[/QUOTE] void-packages is really just the packages you get in your standard repositories.

[QUOTE=~Kiwi~v2;50274526] TL;DR How the fuck do I get around libudev?[/QUOTE] Where is the libudev dependency? I looked at the PKGBUILD and it just needs the libudev.so.0 package, which is literally just a symlink.

Would installing it in a chroot work?

Why is it pulling in eudev? Can you tell pacman to output a dependency tree?

[QUOTE=~Kiwi~v2;50283200] [url]https://chie.club/files/images/st/myswaprip.png[/url] well i guess i'll go fuck myself then gtk edit2 that error is related to my laptop not having space when it actually does??? makepkg is being very retarded[/QUOTE] Yaourt builds in /tmp/, check and see if that partition is full. I usually have to wipe it mid yaourt upgrade since it gets so clogged with old build files.

[QUOTE=deadeye536;50284632]Yaourt builds in /tmp/, check and see if that partition is full. I usually have to wipe it mid yaourt upgrade since it gets so clogged with old build files.[/QUOTE] But isn't that a tmpfs mountpoint with no size limit?

[QUOTE=mastersrp;50286365]But isn't that a tmpfs mountpoint with no size limit?[/QUOTE] I don't know what Arch does with it by default, but in Gentoo it's just a directory on / by default I usually have it mounted as a tmpfs with a size limit of half my RAM

Kubuntu or OpenSUSE? I'm getting a relatively modern laptop soon and I plan to use it mostly for web browsing, Netflix and other streaming tasks, and Steam in-home streaming. I want to use Plasma 5 because I find it to be very pretty and I like its Android integration.

The only reason I'd choose openSUSE over Kubuntu is because I find RPM packaging a lot easier than DEB

[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;50287691]Kubuntu or OpenSUSE? I'm getting a relatively modern laptop soon and I plan to use it mostly for web browsing, Netflix and other streaming tasks, and Steam in-home streaming. I want to use Plasma 5 because I find it to be very pretty and I like its Android integration.[/QUOTE] They're both very similar so you should just give the couple of tools that set them apart from each other a try like the yast and see what you think. VMs are your friend~

What do cool kids use these days, VirtualBox?

Wouldn't Hyper-V be better since it's built into Windows?

[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;50287837]What do cool kids use these days, VirtualBox?[/QUOTE] It's performance is a bit underwhelming, compared to others, but it's super easy. I like xen. Virtual box is fine but if you want to try something else there's qemu or VMware has one that's gratis for noncommercial use.

Eh, I don't need performance. I'm just gonna be poking my head in to look around.

I just run a couple headless VM's via virtualbox on my Server 2012R2 box for my servers that aren't a VPS or on a Celeron dual core laptop.

I quite like YaST so I think I will go for OpenSUSE.

Also with openSUSE you can use Suse Studio to create an installer that contains all the packages you want preinstalled

[QUOTE=Adam.GameDev;50288400]Also with openSUSE you can use Suse Studio to create an installer that contains all the packages you want preinstalled[/QUOTE] [img]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7333627/ShareX/2016-05/09T162902.png[/img] Is KDE 4 the one with Plasma 5?

-snip i know nothing-

[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;50288497][IMG]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7333627/ShareX/2016-05/09T162902.png[/IMG] Is KDE 4 the one with Plasma 5?[/QUOTE] Nope. KDE 4 looks more like this (though suse applies some branding-ish theming to their KDE by default) [thumb]http://www.linuxized.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/kde43.png[/thumb] if you're going with the suse studio route there may be meta packages which'll get you plasma. so might start with JeOS and look for that.

You also need to add a few X-related packages, I'll post them soon

I grabbed a Tumbleweed ISO once, it had a Plasma 5 set I don't remember if I had to get it post installation but it was there

Yeah that's not worth it for me, then. I'd rather just install Leap and install everything I need manually :v:

[QUOTE=Adam.GameDev;50288828]You also need to add a few X-related packages, I'll post them soon[/QUOTE] [code]sax3 x11-tools xorg-x11 xorg-x11-driver-input xorg-x11-driver-video xorg-x11-fonts xorg-x11-server[/code] [editline]9th May 2016[/editline] In my experience, the Leap installer installs a lot more packages in a "base" GNOME 3 installation than Suse Studio does, same probably goes for Plasma 5

I don't even think I dare to try and install another nVidia driver for Linux. Maybe I'm just dumb, but I've broken it every time on every distro I've tried it on. Are the default drivers any good for Fedora 23?

nvidia propiertary drivers on arch are usually the latest that work with current xorg package There's also older versions for older cards out of support I have a laptop with NVS 4200 so I can't speak about the newest cards, but usually it takes a little while before they work, older cards however work as good as on windows

any of you guys have recent experience with darwin? I like the idea but it's been years since I've used it and back then it wasn't really worth a damn. I know software compatibility has gotten pretty decent lately but what about hardware compatibility?