• CIPWTTKT&GC V0x0F (v15): Scoot and Deeps Drama Diaries
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[QUOTE=gman003-main;31059168]Proprietary components are usually [i]more[/i] expensive than standard. And the main reason consoles are better optimized is because they're easier to optimize for - you know all manner of details about the hardware, so you can push right up to the limit of performance throughout. Along with not having to share the system with a bloated OS, a browser, a dozen preloaded programs and all the little notification apps and drivers that slow you down. Plus, they don't have to retain backwards-compatibility - even a brand-new processor starts up in 16-bit mode, and can take quite some time to switch to 32-bit, then 64-bit mode, for example.[/QUOTE] Yeah I get that what I'm saying is that if someone took, for example, a 360 and developed a version of windows for it, they could optimize it to hell and back and make it perform as well as a slightly higher end machine running standard windows. I was just saying that if they eliminate that need for backwards compatability and developed motherboards and PSU's with little to no redundancy like making the motherboard and processor only work with one speed of ram, if it was done and invested upon from the top it could save huge amounts of money. If intel didn't have to design their processors with all that redundancy in mind, don't you think they'd be cheaper? If you then have a standardized system, a processor that runs one speed and that accepts one speed of ram and optimize windows to run on it, you would have a cheaper and better performing machine with the tradeoff of not being able to upgrade. Obviously it wouldn't work in the market that exists today, it would require too much investment and risk by too many parties. I was just speculating.
[QUOTE=chipset;31059264]Yeah I get that what I'm saying is that if someone took, for example, a 360 and developed a version of windows for it, they could optimize it to hell and back and make it perform as well as a slightly higher end machine running standard windows. I was just saying that if they eliminate that need for backwards compatability and developed motherboards and PSU's with little to no redundancy like making the motherboard and processor only work with one speed of ram, if it was done and invested upon from the top it could save huge amounts of money. If intel didn't have to design their processors with all that redundancy in mind, don't you think they'd be cheaper? If you then have a standardized system, a processor that runs one speed and that accepts one speed of ram and optimize windows to run on it, you would have a cheaper and better performing machine with the tradeoff of not being able to upgrade. Obviously it wouldn't work in the market that exists today, it would require too much investment and risk by too many parties. I was just speculating.[/QUOTE] Not really - you forget economy of scale. How many of those "consoles" will you sell? A million? Ten million? Absolute best you can imagine is 150 million, if you break every existing record. You still won't see the same economies of scale Intel or AMD see making commodity processors. Why do you think no console has ever had a CPU designed completely from scratch? They all at least borrow from existing designs, if they aren't using an off-the-shelf part. Graphics used to be custom, true, but not anymore. Now, the only really original parts are the piracy-detection and lockout chips.
[QUOTE=gman003-main;31059392]Not really - you forget economy of scale. How many of those "consoles" will you sell? A million? Ten million? Absolute best you can imagine is 150 million, if you break every existing record. You still won't see the same economies of scale Intel or AMD see making commodity processors. Why do you think no console has ever had a CPU designed completely from scratch? They all at least borrow from existing designs, if they aren't using an off-the-shelf part. Graphics used to be custom, true, but not anymore. Now, the only really original parts are the piracy-detection and lockout chips.[/QUOTE] I know it wouldn't work in real life, I was just thinking about how standardized and purpose designed pc's would be like. On a different note, why are prebuilds never an economic option? You'd think that companies would be able to bulk order hardware to save huge amounts of money, if they (HP, looking at you) didn't spend so much fucking money on tech support and stuffing it with bloatware. It's a shame there's such a small market for computer literates. If the world wasn't so fucking stupid and companies didn't have to spend billions paying helpdesk salaries maybe we'd have cheap prebuilt PC's.
My dad has dishonored me. He thinks Norton is the best, he thinks it's not a Rogue, yet it isn't on the list anymore, he got one thing right though, it blocks everything. His excuse for that, "It's too good." I'm removing Norton and charging $5 though.
[QUOTE=chipset;31059569]I know it wouldn't work in real life, I was just thinking about how standardized and purpose designed pc's would be like. On a different note, why are prebuilds never an economic option? You'd think that companies would be able to bulk order hardware to save huge amounts of money, if they (HP, looking at you) didn't spend so much fucking money on tech support and stuffing it with bloatware. It's a shame there's such a small market for computer literates. If the world wasn't so fucking stupid and companies didn't have to spend billions paying helpdesk salaries maybe we'd have cheap prebuilt PC's.[/QUOTE] Prebuilts are not economic options because when the end user lacks control (and generally knowledge) of the parts going into the final product, corrupt individuals within a bloated corporation will sacrifice quality for a larger margin and pocket the additional profit. If exposed to any sufficient temptation for a sufficient length of time, each and every one of us will eventually succumb to that temptation. Power corrupts. It's simply human nature.
[QUOTE=FlakTheMighty;31059614]My dad has dishonored me. He thinks Norton is the best, he thinks it's not a Rogue, yet it isn't on the list anymore, he got one thing right though, it blocks everything. His excuse for that, "It's too good." I'm removing Norton and charging $5 though.[/QUOTE] I just got him to get avast! and I got a key too. :smug: You jelly H&S? I got a free avast! key bitches!
[QUOTE=FlakTheMighty;31060085]I just got him to get avast! and I got a key too. :smug: You jelly H&S? I got a free avast! key bitches![/QUOTE] I am not jealous. You charged your dad to help him? Sounds like a dick move to me. oh and MSE is free, so another reason why I am not jealous.
So, I got an email today. [img]http://gyazo.com/805f563bd0bd0183f6608cadf0c4d52c.png[/img]
[QUOTE=FlakTheMighty;31059614]My dad has dishonored me. He thinks Norton is the best, he thinks it's not a Rogue, yet it isn't on the list anymore, he got one thing right though, it blocks everything. His excuse for that, "It's too good." I'm removing Norton and charging $5 though.[/QUOTE] Why wouldn't you be a nice son and remove it for free and tell him why. You're being a dick.
[QUOTE=Maksim;31060466]Why wouldn't you be a nice son and remove it for free and tell him why. You're being a dick.[/QUOTE] Because he was saying he was right, besides I don't help anyone for free.
[QUOTE=FlakTheMighty;31060807]Because he was saying he was right, besides I don't help anyone for free.[/QUOTE] just because you're right doesn't give you the right to be a dick
[QUOTE=wlzshroom;31061013]just because you're right doesn't give you the right to be a dick[/QUOTE] yes it does
[QUOTE=sim642;31043946]He probably "hacked" his 360 in some way.[/QUOTE] no, he modded it
[QUOTE=milkandcooki;31061772]no, he modded it[/QUOTE] which is equated to hacking in the ecksbawx tree sexty community
[QUOTE=gman003-main;31056006]Uh, no. Virtualization doesn't work like that. You can't virtualize a different platform, only code that can execute natively. The 360 uses a PowerPC processor - emulation is the ONLY way. Edit: Did some math to figure out how badly a 360 emulator would run on the PC. With an i7 990X, or an i5 2500K, you could expect, at most, 30FPS.[/QUOTE] Did you take into account the fact that you're probably going to have to emulate a whole lot more than just the CPU?
[QUOTE=wlzshroom;31061850]which is equated to hacking in the ecksbawx tree sexty community[/QUOTE] Yeah I totally wasn't making fun of the 360 "community" in my post
Couldn't Microsoft just recompile all the games for the PC, so when you put the game disc into your PC, it fetches the files from Microsoft and uses materials, models, sounds etc. from the disc? We're talking about like a 100mb download per game on first start, wouldn't be too bad.
[QUOTE=nikomo;31062707]Couldn't Microsoft just recompile all the games for the PC, so when you put the game disc into your PC, it fetches the files from Microsoft [/QUOTE] What files? [QUOTE=nikomo;31062707]and uses materials, models, sounds etc. from the disc?[/QUOTE] Access time would be slow as hell. Please don't say "but console does this" because that's a completely different story.
[QUOTE=nikomo;31062707]Couldn't Microsoft just recompile all the games for the PC, so when you put the game disc into your PC, it fetches the files from Microsoft and uses materials, models, sounds etc. from the disc? We're talking about like a 100mb download per game on first start, wouldn't be too bad.[/QUOTE] I could see some devs getting into that. [editline]12th July 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=B!N4RY;31063248]What files? Access time would be slow as hell. Please don't say "but console does this" because that's a completely different story.[/QUOTE] I'd say install files from disc drive then use the binaries from Microsoft, sorta like the PS3.
[QUOTE=B!N4RY;31063248]What files?[/QUOTE] The game executables. You could just include an installer that copies everything from disk to HDD so access speeds aren't a problem.
update on craptop: the revival; did a little snooping on the specs online and found out it's a [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_VAIO_800_series]Sony Vaio 800 series[/url] and that it has CD drive that is swappable in where the floppy drive is. Now the question is where the hell my dad put it. [editline]12th July 2011[/editline] gonna raid the electronics graveyard again tomorrow in a vain effort to find it though i think i have a decent idea on where he put it
I want to buy a cheap, broken 360, harvest all the useful shit from it, completely gut the case and see if you could fit a proper gaming system inside
Haha oh wow! [QUOTE=that person;31063832]Reminds me of a plasma tv this guy was giving away on craig's list for free. It was a 56" plasma @ 1080p. Apparently while the dude was away for a week on vacation, his roommates paused an image of gay porn where one dude was [sp]busting a load on the other's face[/sp], and it was burnt-in pretty badly. Everything he watched afterward had the gay overlay on it. :v:[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=kaze4159;31063929]I want to buy a cheap, broken 360, harvest all the useful shit from it, completely gut the case and see if you could fit a proper gaming system inside[/QUOTE] iirc the xbox 360 uses the atx form factor though my memory on gaming consoles is completely shit since i am pcgaymen
Also, some love lovely content from my school I've told you about their cashless system where the money for printing and buying food will be accessed with RFID chips inside our ID, but they've decided to let parents split money between Food, Printing, and for some stupid reason, the uniform shop How did they let you set limits on each? Three separate accounts, you can only add money to each account one at a time, and money can't be transferred between accounts at all (Yet) So today was the first day the second machine was getting used (Yes, for a school with hundreds of students, there's only 2 machines that can add value to your cards) I swear they haven't even tested the damn thing, it flat out refuses to take notes, if you put a coin in too fast, or one after another without waiting for the slow-ass processor to confirm the last one was entered, the money falls in, and doesn't get registered, no refund, you just lost $2
[QUOTE=kaze4159;31063997]Also, some love lovely content from my school I've told you about their cashless system where the money for printing and buying food will be accessed with RFID chips inside our ID, but they've decided to let parents split money between Food, Printing, and for some stupid reason, [b]the uniform shop[/b] How did they let you set limits on each? Three separate accounts, you can only add money to each account one at a time, and money can't be transferred between accounts at all (Yet) So today was the first day the second machine was getting used (Yes, for a school with hundreds of students, there's only 2 machines that can add value to your cards) I swear they haven't even tested the damn thing, it flat out refuses to take notes, if you put a coin in too fast, or one after another without waiting for the slow-ass processor to confirm the last one was entered, the money falls in, and doesn't get registered, no refund, you just lost $2[/QUOTE] what the dicks i thought uniforms were vintage 1900s bullshit oh wait you live in aus nevermind
[QUOTE=wlzshroom;31064015]what the dicks i thought uniforms were vintage 1900s bullshit oh wait you live in aus nevermind[/QUOTE] This is how I describe the uniform: -Pinstriped "Boy in the striped pajamas" shirt -Navy Blue "always too fucking short" shorts -Matching "Fucking knee high" socks -Maroon "Somehow more important than shoes" Tie From what I've seen, the uniform policy is stricter than the anti-bullying policy
[QUOTE=kaze4159;31064063]This is how I describe the uniform: Pinstriped "Boy in the striped pajamas" shirt Navy Blue "always too fucking short" shorts Maroon "Somehow more important than shoes" Tie [b]From what I've seen, the uniform policy is stricter than the anti-bullying policy[/b][/QUOTE] ok this is one of the times i would actually say that my country is in the right (despite all the ads for STOP BULLYING BLUH BLUH it still happens fucking everywhere i know first hand but they're at least trying to stop it kind of) [editline]12th July 2011[/editline] also ties are stupid in school uniforms, i would be fine with a shirt with the school logo on it, and some plain sweats and shorts but that just sounds really stupid
I searched 'macbeth sketch dead' in google images for an english assignment (I suck at art). Looked on page 4. What the fuck?
in case you haven't noticed i am not patriotic at all in fact i dont really celebrate on the 4th of july i just go to the neighborhood block party and stuff some sweets [editline]12th July 2011[/editline] mergebreak
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