• Students suspended for allegedly being white supremacists for wearing white t-shirts
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all i'm saying is consider something other than your thirst for blood
[QUOTE=Mon;30087565]all i'm saying is consider something other than your thirst for blood[/QUOTE] i don't even know what that means
[QUOTE=thisispain;30087579]i don't even know what that means[/QUOTE] now you're learning, understanding finally you're becoming human
Blue hoodie right now. Fishpeople power!
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;30087227]which is cool, but plenty of other people don't realize the mistakes they make when reproducing and relaying information. with facebook and twitter and chain emails acting like a worldwide game of telephone, this is how blatantly untrue stuff like this [IMG]http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/2624/autocomplete5711.png[/IMG] begins to permeate the public discourse dishonest and hyperbolic reporting like the stuff in the OP just multiplies exponentially the amount of harm that the all the users of the internet with those same tendencies can cause[/QUOTE] [IMG]http://filesmelt.com/dl/Screen_shot_2011-05-27_at_3.48_.10_PM_.png[/IMG] [editline]27th May 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=thisispain;30087522]no black pride refers to the culture that was born out of disenfranchisement. remember when black people were considered inferior to whites? guess when black pride was invented. ... white pride has its roots in racism because it reinforces the made up idea of race. race isn't the main concept behind black pride which you obviously do not know about.[/QUOTE] :wtc:
[quote]"I'm Asian," says Mine. "I don't see how I can be a white supremacist. I'm against it completely."[/quote] That's fucked up. I feel really sorry for him.
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;30086929]but those events are all manufactured outrage. like the whole "baa baa rainbow sheep" thing. someone somehow involved in a school makes a suggestion and the media jumps on it and blows it up to "you're not allowed to say "black sheep" in public schools in the UK anymore" it's not real [editline]27th May 2011[/editline] i mean it's literally the same version of journalism you see in episodes of childrens' cartoons in which the main character opens a newspaper and starts manipulating the truth because it sells more papers. and people like the OP fall for it[/QUOTE] The only way it's manufactured, as you phrased it, in the remotest sense possible is if you get a "news" source that dwells heavily in bias (i.e. FOX News), where you have them repeatedly and intentionally misinterpreting the words of people, selectively editing audio and video clips to draw out different emotions in people, and/or where you have the anchors making accusations or suggestions in order to convince people to feel a certain way, among other things. Even so, bias doesn't change the fact that all these stories have their origins in truth. With that said, bias doesn't appear to be an issue here in this case. But the details are hazy (because it's a fresh story), however, and there's lots of speculation and assumptions being made with people taking sides either for or against these kids already. That's why I want to wait a while before I choose who to support (so things can first be cleared up with plenty of details to examine and draw conclusions from). [QUOTE=thisispain;30087522]like i said, believe what you wanna believe[/quote] Sure thing. [quote=thisispain]no black pride refers to the culture that was born out of disenfranchisement. remember when black people were considered inferior to whites? guess when black pride was invented.[/quote] Actually, it refers to the whole heritage and racial identity thing we talked about earlier. And it's also about remembering celebrated blacks who were important and/or notable historical figures in the nation's history, like George Washington Carver, Martin Luther King, Jr., Harriet Tubman, Frederick Douglass, William Carney, Edward Brooke, etc. Black pride didn't actually become a big and widespread thing until the civil rights movement in the 1960s, by the way. [quote=thisispride]white pride has its roots in racism because it reinforces the made up idea of race. race isn't the main concept behind black pride which you obviously do not know about.[/quote] This demonstrates exactly the hypocrisy I was talking about earlier. That said, you're thinking of White Nationalism, which is a different thing completely that consists entirely of political origins (like Black Nationalism and Brown Nationalism, etc.). Race is not a phony concept, either, from a biological perspective (from whence it came). It merely refers to the genetically divergent members of one species. That said and done, I know more about it than you do (or else you would not be making such ridiculous claims). [quote=thisispride]hence why i can easily say you don't know what you are talking about[/quote] Easily and perhaps confidently but not correctly. [quote=thisispain]charming ad hominem[/quote] I'm flattered, and likewise to you for the two quotes above.
[QUOTE=usaokay;30088019]Where's that one comic where everyone is displaying love for their color and/or culture, but when the white person displays love for its color, the newspaper shows, "WHITE SUPREMACIST ON THE RISE?" along with the picture of the said white person.[/QUOTE] probably on a bad website, for clowns to read [editline]27th May 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=LunchboxOfDoom;30088078] Even so, bias doesn't change the fact that all these stories have their origins in truth.[/QUOTE] the only truth here is that they were suspended and that the suspended students are claiming that it was their white t-shirt. there's a lot of information missing. [QUOTE=LunchboxOfDoom;30088078]With that said, bias doesn't appear to be an issue here in this case. [/QUOTE] why not? "Political correctness gone mad!" stories get views (as demonstrated by the existence of this thread), there's a long history of news outlets manipulating stories to get news that plays off that sentiment, and the article in question is almost totally devoid of information of substance. Any critically thinking person should have put this article under suspicion the moment they read it's pandering headline
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;30085949]I am a green supremacist. :frog:[/QUOTE] :ussr: I'm a Red supremacist.
What kind of supremacist are you if you come to school without a shirt on?
A nipple supremacist.
[url=http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2011/05/27/general-us-calif-school-racism_8489263.html]Hey look guys I did some research[/url] [quote]The suspensions came at the end of a school year marred by several racist incidents that included swastika graffiti and students making Hitler salutes. The suspended students stood together wearing white shirts and bandannas during a senior class photo session in a move Bloom said was clearly intended as a display of white supremacist sentiment. Officials believe each of the students, whom they did not name, is responsible for at least one other racist incident in recent months.[/quote] Quit your knee jerking you idiots
just about an average day for American education
Posting this again [release][url=http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2011/05/27/general-us-calif-school-racism_8489263.html]Hey look guys I did some research[/url] [quote]The suspensions came at the end of a school year marred by several racist incidents that included swastika graffiti and students making Hitler salutes. The suspended students stood together wearing white shirts and bandannas during a senior class photo session in a move Bloom said was clearly intended as a display of white supremacist sentiment. Officials believe each of the students, whom they did not name, is responsible for at least one other racist incident in recent months.[/quote] Quit your knee jerking you idiots[/release] [b][highlight]Adding red so you actually read it[/b][/highlight]
OP add that news article to the OP, otherwise never post again
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;30088336]the only truth here is that they were suspended and that the suspended students are claiming that it was their white t-shirt. there's a lot of information missing.[/quote] And that the principal was receiving complaints from other students that said they were involved in a white pride group on campus. [quote=SigmaLambda]why not?[/quote] Because the author and the news site have not taken a specific perspective on the story (which would be a dead giveaway to bias) and haven't breached any journalism ethics and standards (at least, not as far as I can see; perhaps you can see something I'm missing). [quote=SigmaLambda]"Political correctness gone mad!" stories get views (as demonstrated by the existence of this thread),[/quote] Also featured on their website: "Fire Hydrant Gushes, Causes Traffic Problems on Sanborn" [url]http://www.kionrightnow.com/story/14742481/fire-hydrant-gushes-cuases-traffic-problems-on-sanborn[/url] My point being (by posting this rather menial and obscure as well as uninteresting article), this indicates they're actually reporting on events happening within their locality and not simply out to gobble up as many views as they can, as you imply. [quote=SigmaLambda]there's a long history of news outlets manipulating stories to get news that plays off that sentiment,[/quote] If you are suggesting that they have indeed manipulated the story just to tailor to a specific perspective here and are indeed playing off sentiment in order to garner up more views, then, again, it's your responsibility to prove that they are indeed guilty of this. [quote=SigmaLambda]and the article in question is almost totally devoid of information of substance.[/quote] Not really. The written portion is loaded with good information, and there's an investigative video to accompany it. The only thing it's lacking on are specific details, which are what we need. Given that it's just over a day old, however, it's not surprising things are still hazy. That said and done, there's plenty of other news organizations reporting on it- including Forbes and The Associated Press: [url]http://www.google.com/search?q=soquel%20students&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbo=u&tbm=nws&source=og&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wn[/url] [quote=SigmaLambda]I critically thinking person should have put this article under suspicion the moment they read it's pandering headline[/QUOTE] [i]Soquel Students Suspended for White Supremacy Claims[/i] Well, if you will recall, they were indeed suspended because of complaints and claims to the principal about their alleged involvement in a white pride group on campus... according to the principal himself.
[QUOTE=Mr. Bleak;30085948]Great job completely over stepping political correctness again, America.[/QUOTE] Because one group of people doing this means the entire nation does rite gaiz am i doin it right :downs:
that white guy over there is wearing a white t-shirt what a racist piece of trash
[QUOTE=Kiq;30088806]that white guy over there is wearing a white t-shirt what a racist piece of trash[/QUOTE] excellent job reading the thread
[QUOTE=LunchboxOfDoom;30088765] That said and done, there's plenty of other news organizations reporting on it- including Forbes and The Associated Press: [url]http://www.google.com/search?q=soquel%20students&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbo=u&tbm=nws&source=og&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wn[/url] [/QUOTE] And as I showed in my last post Forbes and the AP aren't omitting information to tailor the story for a specific audience
[QUOTE=Zeke129;30088830]And as I showed in my last post Forbes and the AP aren't omitting information to tailor the story for a specific audience[/QUOTE] Indeed. Precisely why I mentioned them. They're some of the better news outlets out there that claims of bias will not so easily stick to.
page 3 [QUOTE=Zeke129;30088656]Posting this again [release][URL="http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2011/05/27/general-us-calif-school-racism_8489263.html"]Hey look guys I did some research[/URL] "The suspensions came at the end of a school year marred by several racist incidents that included swastika graffiti and students making Hitler salutes. The suspended students stood together wearing white shirts and bandannas during a senior class photo session in a move Bloom said was clearly intended as a display of white supremacist sentiment. Officials believe each of the students, whom they did not name, is responsible for at least one other racist incident in recent months." Quit your knee jerking you idiots[/release] [B][highlight]Adding red so you actually read it[/highlight][/B][/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Amaurus;30088895]I'm wearing a blue shirt. Does that mean I'm a blue supremacist?[/QUOTE] You're not reading the thread does that make you a not reading the thread supremacist
[QUOTE] "We want to make sure we do everything we can to keep people from feeling and being safe on campus."[/QUOTE] Yeah so now everyone is afraid of what t-shirt they wear, good job.
I'm wearing a ghostbusters T-Shirt does that discriminate against ghosts?
Now that we've got enough information to start picking sides... To sum up what Zeke and the OP have found out, several unknown students put swastika graffiti up around the school and gave the Hitler salute over the course of the last year. School officials believe that that the students they suspended were responsible for or involved in at least one of these incidents based off of complaints and claims they received from other kids there. These students were finally suspended, however, for wearing white shirts and bandannas during their senior class portrait session because, according to the opinion of Superintendent Gary Bloom, this move was "clearly intended as a display of white supremacist sentiment"... I can understand the Heil Hitler nonsense and swastika graffiti as justification for suspension, using the complaints and claims filed by students as evidence for their involvement. But the white shirts and bandannas thing, which was the final straw, is a pretty weak reason IMO.
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[QUOTE=.50 Cal;30089152]-snip-[/QUOTE] edit the op, please [editline]27th May 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=LunchboxOfDoom;30089079]But the white shirts and bandannas thing, which was the final straw, is a pretty weak reason IMO.[/QUOTE] not when it was obviously intended as a show of support for white supremacy
[QUOTE=LunchboxOfDoom;30089079] I can understand the Heil Hitler nonsense and swastika graffiti as justification for suspension, using the complaints and claims filed by students as evidence for their involvement. But the white shirts and bandannas thing, which was the final straw, is a pretty weak reason IMO.[/QUOTE] Well if complaints have been levied against this group of students before and now suddenly they're all posing together for a photo wearing the exact same thing, I can see why the staff would think something is up.
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