Students suspended for allegedly being white supremacists for wearing white t-shirts
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[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;30089172]not when it was obviously intended as a show of support for white supremacy[/QUOTE]
If that's what it was intended for. White clothing still doesn't really compare to the saluting and swastikas, however. Seems to make more sense if they would have been suspended then, which begs the question: why weren't they?
Most white supremacist groups (except for the leaders, who wear brown or tan/cream) wear black or blue or grey or dark shades of color on their shirts when they can, just so everyone knows. Supposedly to bring out the pale whiteness of their skin.:v:
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[editline]28th May 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Zeke129;30089199]Well if complaints have been levied against this group of students before and now suddenly they're all posing together for a photo wearing the exact same thing, I can see why the staff would think something is up.[/QUOTE]
True, true.
[QUOTE=LunchboxOfDoom;30086062]
This highlights the hypocrisy of the issue PERFECTLY. Why is it alright for them to proclaim black power and brown power but not for us to do the same for white power?
People are trying to be too fucking politically correct these days. And, asides from being annoying, it's really just hurting us as a society more than it's helping.[/QUOTE]
Oh yeah because white people clearly don't have enough power
you poor caucasian you
now that's stupid.
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[QUOTE=Lambeth;30089666]Oh yeah because white people clearly don't have enough power[/QUOTE]
Either it's all okay to have and promote or none of it is. That's all I'm saying, with actual power being very menial.
[QUOTE=LunchboxOfDoom;30089723]Either it's all okay to have and promote or none of it is. [/QUOTE]
sorry but this is naive. pretending that race doesn't exist won't make racism go away
[QUOTE=LunchboxOfDoom;30089723]That's all I'm saying, with actual power being very menial.[/QUOTE]
these words don't mean anything
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;30089839]sorry but this is naive. pretending that race doesn't exist won't make racism go away[/quote]
How is promoting racial pride for all respective races as I have been throughout the course of this entire thread (and, as well, substantiating the biological origins of it) pretending that race doesn't exist? Additionally, when did I make the outlandish claim that racism will go away?
[quote=SigmaLambda]these words don't mean anything[/QUOTE]
They meant enough that you took the time to read and reply to them.
[QUOTE=LunchboxOfDoom;30089933]How is promoting racial pride for all respective races as I have been throughout the course of this entire thread (and, as well, substantiating the biological origins of it) pretending that race doesn't exist?[/QUOTE]
the issue is that you think this:
"The thing that causes shitstorms with it, however, is that political correctness advocates make a big deal over it."
regarding white pride. But this ignores the different current social positions of the races and the histories of the different pride movements. The point I am making is that, as they currently exist, white pride and black pride are not equivalent, and that "white pride" is something that would never be appropriate in America because it's based on a falsehood (the falsehood being that there is some sort of unified white racial identity or heritage). Irish pride or Italian pride, for example, are fully supported in our country, but "white pride" is not because it can only be the product of a racist ideology.
who are these political correctness advocates
these people don't exist
[QUOTE=thisispain;30090152]who are these political correctness advocates
these people don't exist[/QUOTE]
imaginary people that people refer to when they have no legitimate argument
[QUOTE=JDK721;30090165]it's the imaginary people people refer to when they have no legitimate points[/QUOTE]
the only people who talk about political correctness are the people who call themselves politically incorrect
it's a made up word to disenfranchise certain viewpoints as elitist or arbitrary
Hitler wore white T-shirts
[img]http://filesmelt.com/dl/hipsterhitler3.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;30090133] The point I am making is that, as they currently exist, white pride and black pride are not equivalent, and that "white pride" is something that would never be appropriate in America because it's based on a falsehood (the falsehood being that there is some sort of unified white racial identity or heritage). Irish pride or Italian pride, for example, are fully supported in our country, but "white pride" is not because it can only be the product of a racist ideology.[/QUOTE]
There's some sort of unified black heritage?
In any case, they shouldn't have been suspended. It isn't the student's fault that reported them, it's the administration. The administration who i guess deems it alright to suspend people for wearing certain apparel, which really shouldn't be alright no matter the supposed connection to unsavory characters. If they were guilty of defacement then they should have been punished for that, not what they wear.
While nationalism is bullshit, so is racial pride. Most people here like to tout how people can't decide when, where or how they were born, both concepts are equally logically flawed.
[QUOTE=s0beit;30090887]There's some sort of unified black heritage?
In any case, they shouldn't have been suspended. It isn't the student's fault that reported them, it's the administration. The administration who i guess deems it alright to suspend people for wearing certain apparel, which really shouldn't be alright no matter the supposed connection to unsavory characters. If they were guilty of defacement then they should have been punished for that, not what they wear.
While nationalism is bullshit, so is racial pride. Most people here like to tout how people can't decide when, where or how they were born, both concepts are equally logically flawed.[/QUOTE]
Well considering that black people have had a history of oppression I think a little black pride won't hurt anyone.
[QUOTE=Lambeth;30091029]Well considering that black people have had a history of oppression I think a little black pride won't hurt anyone.[/QUOTE]
Many black people had a history of oppression, not the entire black race.
Likewise many white, asian, etc. (or subsets) people have a history of oppression, individually, it doesn't make the "my race is awesome" argument any stronger.
What the hell..?
Probably the weirdest thing I've read all day.
[QUOTE=s0beit;30090887]There's some sort of unified black heritage?[/QUOTE]
not "black", but "black in america". There is a widely shared (but not universal, of course) heritage in the history of africans who were brought here as slaves and their descendants, like there is a fairly unified heritage of Irish immigrants who arrived at the turn of the century.
[QUOTE=s0beit;30090887]In any case, they shouldn't have been suspended. It isn't the student's fault that reported them, it's the administration. The administration who i guess deems it alright to suspend people for wearing certain apparel,[/QUOTE]
they weren't suspended for wearing white shirts, they were suspended for being white supremacists, and the white shirts, in conjunction with bandannas, were part of a string of white supremacist acts. we've established this
[QUOTE=s0beit;30090887]While nationalism is bullshit, so is racial pride. Most people here like to tout how people can't decide when, where or how they were born, both concepts are equally logically flawed.[/QUOTE]
Black pride, as it exists in America is intended as a counter to oppression. It's not just empty "blacks are cool" sentiments.
[editline]27th May 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=s0beit;30091110]Many black people had a history of oppression, not the entire black race.[/QUOTE]
we're talking about black pride in america. blacks, as a race, have been historically oppressed (and still are) in america because there have been oppressive laws made across the country which were made to apply to all people who were black
[QUOTE=s0beit;30091110]Likewise many white, asian, etc. (or subsets) people have a history of oppression, individually, it doesn't make the "my race is awesome" argument any stronger.[/QUOTE]
but black pride isn't about "my race being awesome", it's about "my race needing to be treated equally".
[QUOTE=s0beit;30091110]Many black people had a history of oppression, not the entire black race.
Likewise many white, asian, etc. (or subsets) people have a history of oppression, individually, it doesn't make the "my race is awesome" argument any stronger.[/QUOTE]
It isn't really a my race is awesome argument. More of a sign of defiance against the opressors.
[editline]27th May 2011[/editline]
and/or what sigma said
[QUOTE=Lambeth;30091567]
and/or what sigma said[/QUOTE]
but pretend i said it better instead of my hastily thrown together jumble of sentences
[QUOTE=Lambeth;30091567]It isn't really a my race is awesome argument. More of a sign of defiance against the opressors.[/QUOTE]
We are sort of getting into the semantics game but I'll concede that those are indeed two different things, however, please consider that there's not a (X race here) pride movement throughout history, violent or not, that hasn't used that same argument.
While the comparatively, majorly peaceful black pride movement is not the same as more violent white pride or german-white pride movements, I can't recollect a single racial pride movement that [i]wasn't[/i] fighting against the supposed oppressors of society, perceived or otherwise.
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Further, who would these oppressors be? White people? How is this a healthy line of thought?
[QUOTE=s0beit;30091722]We are sort of getting into the semantics game but I'll concede that those are indeed two different things, however, please consider that there's not a (X race here) pride movement throughout history, violent or not, that hasn't used that same argument.[/QUOTE]
but some of them have more weight behind that claim than others
[QUOTE=s0beit;30091722]While the comparatively, majorly peaceful black pride movement is not the same as more violent white pride or german-white pride movements, I can't recollect a single racial pride movement that [I]wasn't[/I] fighting against the supposed oppressors of society, perceived or otherwise.[/QUOTE]
but that's where you use your judgment to differentiate between the different movements. That's why you can't make blanket statements about pride movements, each movement needs to be individually considered
Oh wow...
[img]http://www.charismatees.com/pictures/1349%20%20shirts%20009%20Hellfire%20$35.jpg[/img]
So I guess I must be a black supremacist, and on top of that, an atheist, right?
Right? :v:
[quote]"Safety is always first at Soquel High," says Lawrence-Emanuel. "We want to make sure we do everything we can to [B]keep people from feeling and being safe[/B] on campus."[/quote]
Read the bolded part carefully, notice anything? It says keep people FROM feeling and being safe. You know what that statement means? "We want to make sure people [B]don't[/B] feel safe coming here." That little "from" thrown in there changes the meaning of the whole sentence and the message they send.
[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;30091782]Oh wow...
[img]http://www.charismatees.com/pictures/1349%20%20shirts%20009%20Hellfire%20$35.jpg[/img]
So I guess I must be a black supremacist, and on top of that, an atheist, right?
Right? :v:[/QUOTE]
No, what you must be is unable to read the thread.
Hey speaking as a resident of the city, the administration has a pretty good case that they're guilty. The OP is retarded and makes it sound like they were just randomly suspended for wearing white shirts, that's not what happened.
[QUOTE=TH89;30092829]Hey speaking as a resident of the city, the administration has a pretty good case that they're guilty. The OP is retarded and makes it sound like they were just randomly suspended for wearing white shirts, that's not what happened.[/QUOTE]
basically as always i was right
[QUOTE=TH89;30092829]Hey speaking as a resident of the city, the administration has a pretty good case that they're guilty. The OP is retarded and makes it sound like they were just randomly suspended for wearing white shirts, that's not what happened.[/QUOTE]
OP is a tea party supporter fyi
[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;30091782]Oh wow...
[img]http://www.charismatees.com/pictures/1349%20%20shirts%20009%20Hellfire%20$35.jpg[/img]
So I guess I must be a black supremacist, and on top of that, an atheist, right?
Right? :v:[/QUOTE]
in 1349 the plague wiped out 2/3 of Norway so you obviously support that
[QUOTE=TH89;30092829]Hey speaking as a resident of the city, the administration has a pretty good case that they're guilty. The OP is retarded and makes it sound like they were just randomly suspended for wearing white shirts, that's not what happened.[/QUOTE]
I trust you, TH89, because you like black people, and you seek out the truth. You are hoping one day to become black, correct? I hope you achieve this goal, even though it may be very difficult. You have the personality down, so you're half way there! Keep shooting towards your dreams, friend. One day you can be a true black, and not a wigger.
If a black man wear a white T-Shirt, is he a white supremacist?
[editline]29th May 2011[/editline]
T shirt does not make the colour of the skin
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