• CDC: Circumcision benefits outweigh risks
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[QUOTE=Dougz;46620762]To all you saying boys should have a choice[/QUOTE] So then don't do it? If the only safe way to do a surgery is without giving them in any choice in a matter that will affect them later in life then just don't. [QUOTE=RenegadeCop;46620616]Sexual feeling is relative, cut people feel just as good as uncut. Just like if you masturbate for 8 hours a day, it doesn't matter who the fuck you are you'll be as unsensative as ever. But if you haven't done it in years, sex will feel amazing cut or uncut. Sex is not "permanently less enjoyable" either. I don't know why people think this.[/QUOTE] Because it's factually correct? There's a lot of nerve endings in the foreskin, if you cut it off you lose the feeling in those. Sorry if you're circumcised and you don't want to accept that but it's the truth. That's not to say that someone who's circumcised can't have better sex than someone who's not but there's a whole load of downsides that people might not fully understand to do with chopping off part of your body
[QUOTE=Dougz;46620806]Are you really comparing sexual sensitivity to eyesight? lol[/QUOTE] It's all writing off the negatives of reducing bodily function because an individual can't understand the difference. Obviously one is on a much larger scale than the other.
[QUOTE=Zareox7;46620820]I don't even understand why this is an argument. If people want to circumcise their kids, then whatever. Don't do it to your own if you don't like it. It's not some crazy mutilation. A small piece of skin is not the same as removing half of someone's stomach capacity. Start arguing about something that matters.[/QUOTE] i would say forcing something on your child that has possible implications for their sexual organ's wellbeing and function is a pretty important topic
[QUOTE=Zareox7;46620820]I don't even understand why this is an argument. If people want to circumcise their kids, then whatever. Don't do it to your own if you don't like it. It's not some crazy mutilation. A small piece of skin is not the same as removing half of someone's stomach capacity. Start arguing about something that matters.[/QUOTE] It has a chance to go wrong. It's a pointless procedure that doesn't accomplish anything noteworthy.
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;46620815]Yeah that doesn't make sense. A blind person has NO sight whatsoever and is obviously not "relative". You can OBJECTIVELY have better sight than someone else. You can measure it! A circumcised person still feels sexual stimulation. I would argue just as good as an uncut. Hell, I almost have to wear condoms during sex because it feels too good, I only last like 15 seconds. The blind example would only work if we were comparing people who sanded down their dicks into Ken-doll genitals.[/QUOTE] Well the sensation is objectively reduced, because nerves have actually been removed, even if the individual can't compare it. Sex with more nerves directly on the tip is objectively more stimulating than sex with less nerves directly on the tip. Really I don't get why people can't understand that analogies aren't supposed to be identical in quantity, they're supposed to show how the concepts are related.
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;46620851]I'm not arguing this because I'm circumcised, I honestly feel that sexual stimulation is relative. I have amazing sex, I don't care if someone thinks I don't.[/QUOTE] did u even read elspin's post? like he literally just said it's not as if circumcised people can't enjoy sex just as much. but it's an objectivity that you have less nerve endings than someone with an intact penis
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;46620815]Yeah that doesn't make sense. A blind person has NO sight whatsoever and is obviously not "relative". You can OBJECTIVELY have better sight than someone else. You can measure it! A circumcised person still feels sexual stimulation. I would argue just as good as an uncut. Hell, I almost have to wear condoms during sex because it feels too good, I only last like 15 seconds. The blind example would only work if we were comparing people who sanded down their dicks into Ken-doll genitals.[/QUOTE] Yeah no sorry but there's literally no subjectivity here, the foreskin is involved in sex and it has a pretty high amount of nerve endings, nerve endings gather information that your brain interprets and I'm sorry mate but your brain will interpret those as pleasure and without foreskin man it's not receiving those signals.
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;46620864]You say that like we come out the vagina with cut dicks :v: [editline]2nd December 2014[/editline] But you get USED to the feeling is what I'm getting at. So to the individual, it feels the same! Like if you get blowjobs all the time, you'll get "used" to that high stimulation. Then if you try to masturbate it just won't feel as good. But if you masturbate all the time, the blowjobs will feel amazing by comparison![/QUOTE] It will still feel better if there are more nerve endings in any case. What's your point? You don't become less susceptible to pain and actually experience it less when you experience a lot of it, you just learn to endure it as time goes on. It doesn't mean you don't feel it.
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;46620923]It would if you didn't have them to begin with. If I suddenly grew my foreskin nerves back, yes it would feel amazing at first, but then it would become the norm. Then if I took it back off, it would feel worse at first, but that would then become the norm. Hmm maybe I said something wrong. It is relative [I]to the person[/I]? I really don't know how to put this. Yes there are less nerves, but it doesn't matter when it comes to interpreting those physical feelings because the brain adapts to them. That is true, and also why the blind analogy doesn't work. We aren't comparing no nerves vs nerves, we're comparing less nerves vs more nerves. Add in how we "adapt" to outside stimuli, and you have relative feeling![/QUOTE] Right but the point is that those norms are clearly different from each other, you're literally saying don't worry if we cut off your foreskin it's fine cause you'll get used to it.
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;46620923]It would if you didn't have them to begin with. If I suddenly grew my foreskin nerves back, yes it would feel amazing at first, but then it would become the norm. Then if I took it back off, it would feel worse at first, but that would then become the norm. Hmm maybe I said something wrong. It is relative [I]to the person[/I]? I really don't know how to put this. Yes there are less nerves, but it doesn't matter when it comes to interpreting those physical feelings because the brain adapts to them. That is true, and also why the blind analogy doesn't work. We wouldn't perceive any feeling! We aren't comparing no nerves vs nerves, we're comparing less nerves vs more nerves. Both people feel something. Add in how we "adapt" to outside stimuli, and you have relative feeling![/QUOTE] So you're saying that it's basically the same feeling, so there's no point in doing the procedure?
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;46620923]It would if you didn't have them to begin with. If I suddenly grew my foreskin nerves back, yes it would feel amazing at first, but then it would become the norm. Then if I took it back off, it would feel worse at first, but that would then become the norm. Hmm maybe I said something wrong. It is relative [I]to the person[/I]? I really don't know how to put this. Yes there are less nerves, but it doesn't matter when it comes to interpreting those physical feelings because the brain adapts to them. That is true, and also why the blind analogy doesn't work. We aren't comparing no nerves vs nerves, we're comparing less nerves vs more nerves. Add in how we "adapt" to outside stimuli, and you have relative feeling![/QUOTE] You're completely bullshitting. Provide one bit of evidence for any of this. In fact, if I recall, aren't there people who just objectively don't feel sensations as much as anybody else? They don't just adapt to that and have the same sensations as everybody else, they end up accidentally biting their tongues off, and sometimes harm themselves just to feel the sensation of touch.
Adults should be free to circumcise themselves all they want but leave kids out of it until they're old enough to make a decision.
[QUOTE=Vasili;46620596]Condoms exist, it saves losing sexual stimulation for the rest of your life.[/QUOTE] I get stimulation just reading this comment, and it's like a monk down there.
today on the circumcision discussion, a shocking twist: people say they don't care about having it and still enjoy doing things and other people tell them they are factually wrong for not being mad about being horribly disfigured the study is dumb but it at least puts the particular claims to rest, people used the hygienic/disease related thing as an argument (for both sides) a lot, and now we have it settled: it's slightly helpful with niche things. Meh.
[QUOTE=Mort Stroodle;46620956]You're completely bullshitting. Provide one bit of evidence for any of this. In fact, if I recall, aren't there people who just objectively don't feel sensations as much as anybody else? They don't just adapt to that and have the same sensations as everybody else, they end up accidentally biting their tongues off, and sometimes harm themselves just to feel the sensation of touch.[/QUOTE] Yeah there's folk who can't feel pain and they end up injured pretty often, but it's not the same, pain is required to actually survive. Regardless circumcision objectively reduces pleasure due to reduction in nerve endings, you might "adapt" or get used to it but the fact remains that the new norm will almost definitely be less pleasurable which I'm not okay with, you'd have to be some sort of screaming retard to think it is.
I never realized people felt so strongly against circumcision, always seemed like a non-issue to me. I understand the consent part, but you do it as a baby so you dont REALLY fuck up your dick later on, plus its insanely easy and much safer as a baby. And far less painful(you arent even gonna be self aware at the age you get it) Essentially everything involving a baby is done without consent though, babys cant consent like at all. Hell you gotta sometimes shove that spoon of baby food in their mouths so they eat it for the better. They might be sassy as fuck but they need it. Plus this whole garbage of less sensitivity and feel is the most bs thing ive ever heard. First of all, no matter your dick, the feelings you get from it are the ONLY feelings you get from it. How can you even know if its better or worse than someone elses unless you flat out just dont feel anyhting at all? How is less sensitivity even a bad thing? That means you can last longer and still get the feeling, instead of overloading early on because of sensitivity. I mean this can very easily be a two way sword because its entirely subjective on what people want, but I see no real disadvantage between the two in any clear way. Only argument that stands up is the consent shit, never thought about it that way but circumcision is generally an extremely harmless process for babys, ya the babys gonna cry most likely but babys cry if they have to fucking sneeze. It may seem cruel from an outside view but its really not. But its really just a moral question with no right answer from what I see.
I too am circumsized and for the longest time I had no idea that other people had to do special procedures to wash your dick. If I hadn't been circumcized, I would probably think that the whole thing is crazy and refuse to have it done, not knowing what I'm missing. Personally, I'm thankful, because my dick is probably the best looking dick out there, and you wash it in a second. Have fun with your stinky cocks
[QUOTE=dai;46620984]today on the circumcision discussion, a shocking twist: people say they don't care about having it and still enjoy doing things and other people tell them they are factually wrong for not being mad about being horribly disfigured the study is dumb but it at least puts the particular claims to rest, people used the hygienic/disease related thing as an argument (for both sides) a lot, and now we have it settled: it's slightly helpful with niche things. Meh.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]horribly disfigured[/QUOTE] hahahahahha wtf.
[QUOTE=HellSoldier;46620630]Circumcision is genital mutilation as far as I'm concerned when it comes to conducting it on those who cannot or have not consented to it unless a medical situation which warranted a circumcision were present. There's no reason to make someone's sexual organs less sensitive and potentially have them hold resentment against those who got the man circumcised or even themselves if they view themselves as defective because of this operation.[/QUOTE] I would go so far as to say any cosmetic surgery or procedure done on a child without medical requirement or consent should be considered criminal. Informed consent is by far the most important thing, especially with irreversible (or incredibly hard/not guaranteed to reverse) procedures.
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;46621016]I never realized people felt so strongly against circumcision, always seemed like a non-issue to me. I understand the consent part, but you do it as a baby so you dont REALLY fuck up your dick later on, plus its insanely easy and much safer as a baby. And far less painful(you arent even gonna be self aware at the age you get it) Essentially everything involving a baby is done without consent though, babys cant consent like at all. Hell you gotta sometimes shove that spoon of baby food in their mouths so they eat it for the better. They might be sassy as fuck but they need it. Plus this whole garbage of less sensitivity and feel is the most bs thing ive ever heard. First of all, no matter your dick, the feelings you get from it are the ONLY feelings you get from it. How can you even know if its better or worse than someone elses unless you flat out just dont feel anyhting at all? How is less sensitivity even a bad thing? That means you can last longer and still get the feeling, instead of overloading early on because of sensitivity. I mean this can very easily be a two way sword because its entirely subjective on what people want, but I see no real disadvantage between the two in any clear way. Only argument that stands up is the consent shit, never thought about it that way but circumcision is generally an extremely harmless process for babys, ya the babys gonna cry most likely but babys cry if they have to fucking sneeze. It may seem cruel from an outside view but its really not. But its really just a moral question with no right answer from what I see.[/QUOTE] Lies! We all know they bring in an executioner and put the baby's dick on the chopping block
Meh, no need to circumcise unless it's a medical issue or there's a history of medical issues in the family. I'm circumcised and happy though, and sex still feels incredible.
[QUOTE=dai;46620984]today on the circumcision discussion, a shocking twist: people say they don't care about having it and still enjoy doing things and other people tell them they are factually wrong for not being mad about being horribly disfigured the study is dumb but it at least puts the particular claims to rest, people used the hygienic/disease related thing as an argument (for both sides) a lot, and now we have it settled: it's slightly helpful with niche things. Meh.[/QUOTE] Its like the appendix, yeah sure you can have it.
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;46621025]Less pleasurable compared to others, but just as amazing to the individual. It is a lot like tastes. If I was used to eating bland food, I've eaten it my whole life, I'd think it taste pretty decent/normal. Someone who eats at 5 star restaurant their whole life would think the 5 star food taste pretty decent/normal If I ate at the restaurant, I'd be blown away with flavor. If they ate at the school cafeteria, they'd say it was shit. But there is no way for either individual to eat at the other individual's place. Wouldn't that make taste relative? If taste is relative, why not other outside stimuli i.e. sexual stimulation?[/QUOTE] By that logic it would be entirely acceptable to deprive someone of decent food, music, human interaction, comfort, really any enjoyment in life, because if they've never experienced anything better, they're going to be contented anyway. [editline]2nd December 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=dai;46620984]today on the circumcision discussion, a shocking twist: people say they don't care about having it and still enjoy doing things and other people tell them they are factually wrong for not being mad about being horribly disfigured[/QUOTE] Well, no, I'm cut and I resent not getting the same feeling I could have otherwise.
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;46621016]I never realized people felt so strongly against circumcision, always seemed like a non-issue to me. I understand the consent part, but you do it as a baby so you dont REALLY fuck up your dick later on, plus its insanely easy and much safer as a baby. [B]And far less painful[/B](you arent even gonna be self aware at the age you get it)[/QUOTE] No, I would disagree with that. Here's a descriptive study if you go into it that describes reactions after circumcision. (well, and other things) Hardly the best, but it was a 20 second search followed up by reading it quickly. They certainly feel pain during and after circumcision. [url=http://www.painjournalonline.com/article/S0304-3959(03)00456-1/abstract]Here[/url]
I don't have a foreskin, but like, if I had one I'd be OK with it.
[QUOTE=Megadave;46621024]hahahahahha wtf.[/QUOTE] 11 posts in and we already had someone straight up call it [url=http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1439881&p=46620630&viewfull=1#post46620630]genital mutilation[/url]. There's a lot of people all over the board on the topic, but there's just no argument left when you turn it into an instance of extreme vs every other option
[QUOTE=Lolkork;46620636]cut dicks look gross [editline]2nd December 2014[/editline] and a parent should not be able to get their child circumcised.[/QUOTE] My boyfriend and I are both cut and we think uncut dicks look gross. All opinion
I would really like to read and hear the rebuttals to this. This isn't the first time the CDC has claimed there are some 'benefits' to circumcision, and it seems like they've been trying to insist that having it done is going to make some miraculous difference for quite some time.
[QUOTE=Zakkin;46620749]I have phimosis. I might need to get this done. :([/QUOTE] Easily fixable, I had it until I was quite old. Take hot showers and just keep trying to pull it back very gently over the course of 1-2 weeks. It'll eventually come all the way back. Over a certain time it'll be completely normal.
[QUOTE=Notanything;46621131]I would really like to read and hear the rebuttals to this. This isn't the first time the CDC has claimed there are some 'benefits' to circumcision, and [B]it seems like they've been trying to insist that having it done is going to make some miraculous difference for quite some time[/B].[/QUOTE] Maybe because they legitimately believe it does? Is there some gigantic circumcision lobby out there that I'm not aware of? Is AIPAC forcing the CDC to be pro-circumcision? Do you think anyone legitimately thinks it's a big enough deal for there to be a huge conspiracy surrounding the issue? Just because the CDC disagrees with you doesn't mean they're wrong. The CDC is made up of a bunch of renown medical professionals, not a bunch of young guys arguing about how good sex feels for them.
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