NO FUCKING DUERRP.
How could people have not seen this 300 thousand fucking times before. The ORIGINAL BARBIE is blonde blue eyed. They made all these new barbies so they wouldn't seem like fucking racist nazi's because of the time the Barbie was made. Even I know that. Honestly people are too stupid to see that the fact they are placing such meanings into fucking unimportant things that kids don't even begin to think about into the meaning of their toys. I mean seriously, no kid is going to say, yeah since barbie is white, them ni***** must be horrible abominations that arn't even worth being 3/5ths of a person. No, they think, this toy is a person and she has this house and this outfit and that outfit and they are fun because they can have a tea party. It's like watching spongebob as a kid and then later watching the same episode and thinking that sponge bob and patrick are gay for holding hands, you're not corrupted by such biases and shit as a kid, kids are innocent and pure, they see it for what it is, two friends holding hands while the corrupted mind of the older fellow sees two homosexuals.
Also barbie was created as the show of the perfect person who is living the perfect life of the American Dream. Hence the perfect boyfriend, the perfect car, the DREAM house. All that crap, it was created to help forward the ideals of the American Dream.
[QUOTE=TBFundy;33295619]
no offense bro but sometimes it just seems like a normal everyday guy is all "I don't see the problem with this" and then whoever is like "yeah it's hard to see when you're a white male" and everyone leaves confused and angry[/QUOTE]
yeah, it is pretty hard to see
if you look at the feminist bloggers (and I'm discounting the nutjobs advocating for killing all men and the like), you'd think they'd be the last people who were racist, considering how they're all about discrimination against women
in reality those feminists tend to be really racist towards black women
it's pretty hard to see your own bias
[editline]16th November 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=The one that is;33295819]NO FUCKING DUERRP.
How could people have not seen this 300 thousand fucking times before. The ORIGINAL BARBIE is blonde blue eyed. They made all these new barbies so they wouldn't seem like fucking racist nazi's because of the time the Barbie was made. Even I know that. Honestly people are too stupid to see that the fact they are placing such meanings into fucking unimportant things that kids don't even begin to think about into the meaning of their toys. I mean seriously, no kid is going to say, yeah since barbie is white, them ni***** must be horrible abominations that arn't even worth being 3/5ths of a person. No, they think, this toy is a person and she has this house and this outfit and that outfit and they are fun because they can have a tea party. It's like watching spongebob as a kid and then later watching the same episode and thinking that sponge bob and patrick are gay for holding hands, you're not corrupted by such biases and shit as a kid, kids are innocent and pure, they see it for what it is, two friends holding hands while the corrupted mind of the older fellow sees two homosexuals.
Also barbie was created as the show of the perfect person who is living the perfect life of the American Dream. Hence the perfect boyfriend, the perfect car, the DREAM house. All that crap, it was created to help forward the ideals of the American Dream.[/QUOTE]
what the fuck is wrong with you
you say it doesn't matter and then go on to show [I]exactly how it fucking matters[/I]
if the perfect person living the perfect is White, what does that make every else?
[QUOTE=Contag;33296019]yeah, it is pretty hard to see
if you look at the feminist bloggers (and I'm discounting the nutjobs advocating for killing all men and the like), you'd think they'd be the last people who were racist, considering how they're all about discrimination against women
in reality those feminists tend to be really racist towards black women
it's pretty hard to see your own bias
[editline]16th November 2011[/editline]
what the fuck is wrong with you
you say it doesn't matter and then go on to show [I]exactly how it fucking matters[/I]
if the perfect person living the perfect is White, what does that make every else?[/QUOTE]
No, the point is, kids DON'T think of it that way, I personally don't see it as pefect or just or any of that shit. I see it as what it is from the more adult perpective of how it's biased and obviously created in the way the time period showed. But a KID won't see that, a kid sees it as a toy to play with and to have imaginary adventures with. you'd look at a dildo as a sexual device, a kid might see it as a spaceship or a sword, same thing, they don't look for the corrupt things we do.
It only matters if you teach your kids that bias and corrupt their mind, otherwise the only group who honestly gives a shit are the people who teach their kids about race and how it's apparently important or not in the world. Honestly a kid knows race isn't important, not once in my younger days did I ever see my black friend as different, he was another kid to play tag or cowboys and indians with on the playground, the fact he looked different than me meant nothing. Racism, as concept not even known to me until the school system forced it into our heads, never once did we think of anyone as different until they TOLD us they were different. Until they told us they were different and we had to accept them for it. They were already accepted and not seen as differnt, people fear difference, the unknown, the sureal illusion that they were exactly like us in every single way now broken, you get those people who fear difference to spark into racism and such.
the one that is: child expert
the one that is already sounds like a title
can people have two titles??? help us out sigma
[QUOTE=The one that is;33296223]No, the point is, kids DON'T think of it that way, I personally don't see it as pefect or just or any of that shit. I see it as what it is from the more adult perpective of how it's biased and obviously created in the way the time period showed. But a KID won't see that, a kid sees it as a toy to play with and to have imaginary adventures with. you'd look at a dildo as a sexual device, a kid might see it as a spaceship or a sword, same thing, they don't look for the corrupt things we do.
It only matters if you teach your kids that bias and corrupt their mind, otherwise the only group who honestly gives a shit are the people who teach their kids about race and how it's apparently important or not in the world. Honestly a kid knows race isn't important, not once in my younger days did I ever see my black friend as different, he was another kid to play tag or cowboys and indians with on the playground, the fact he looked different than me meant nothing. Racism, as concept not even known to me until the school system forced it into our heads, never once did we think of anyone as different until they TOLD us they were different. Until they told us they were different and we had to accept them for it. They were already accepted and not seen as differnt, people fear difference, the unknown, the sureal illusion that they were exactly like us in every single way now broken, you get those people who fear difference to spark into racism and such.[/QUOTE]
wow thanks Dr. TheOneThatIs
however may I ask for any kind of citation for the stuff you're just pulling out of your ass?
No? Well read the following, it's about gendered bodies but the principles are easily transposable
by a professor of sociology
[url]http://digilib.bc.edu/reserves/sc024/salz/sc02410.pdf[/url]
it's pretty obvious that virtually everything significants alters children
They should make "Barbie: Hellen Keller Edition"
... I'd buy it.
I watch Die Hard and often think, Bruce Willis is a great actor but why does he have to be white? What is with this racism.
[QUOTE=The one that is;33295819]NO FUCKING DUERRP.
How could people have not seen this 300 thousand fucking times before. The ORIGINAL BARBIE is blonde blue eyed. They made all these new barbies so they wouldn't seem like fucking racist nazi's because of the time the Barbie was made. Even I know that. Honestly people are too stupid to see that the fact they are placing such meanings into fucking unimportant things that kids don't even begin to think about into the meaning of their toys. I mean seriously, no kid is going to say, yeah since barbie is white, them ni***** must be horrible abominations that arn't even worth being 3/5ths of a person. No, they think, this toy is a person and she has this house and this outfit and that outfit and they are fun because they can have a tea party. It's like watching spongebob as a kid and then later watching the same episode and thinking that sponge bob and patrick are gay for holding hands, you're not corrupted by such biases and shit as a kid, kids are innocent and pure, they see it for what it is, two friends holding hands while the corrupted mind of the older fellow sees two homosexuals.
Also barbie was created as the show of the perfect person who is living the perfect life of the American Dream. Hence the perfect boyfriend, the perfect car, the DREAM house. All that crap, it was created to help forward the ideals of the American Dream.[/QUOTE]
I agree, if you have blonde hair and blue eyes, your a Nazi who stereotypes people based on their appearance.
Alternate title: Google Translate has reached a new level of fail.
[QUOTE=Vandel;33297200]I watch Die Hard and often think, Bruce Willis is a great actor but why does he have to be white? What is with this racism.
I agree, if you have blonde hair and blue eyes, your a Nazi who stereotypes people based on their appearance.[/QUOTE]
I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say here but I can tell that you sound like a douchebag.
[editline]15th November 2011[/editline]
Go see a doctor, maybe they can cure you.
[QUOTE=Lambeth;33297279]I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say here but I can tell that you sound like a douchebag.
[editline]15th November 2011[/editline]
Go see a doctor, maybe they can cure you.[/QUOTE]
What a nice post which adds to the thread.
I was referring to the fact that it is pointless to complain about the ethnicity of an already established character. It would be akin to saying that it's racist that Dora the Explorer is of Latin American decent rather than Caucasian decent.
[QUOTE=Vandel;33297323]What a nice post which adds to the thread.
I was referring to the fact that it is pointless to complain about the ethnicity of an already established character. It would be akin to saying that it's racist that Dora the Explorer is of Latin American decent rather than Caucasian decent.[/QUOTE]
[img]http://blogamole.tr3s.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/dora-the-explorer.jpg[/img]
I'm sorry you were saying something about how characters aren't vehicles of societal values?
[QUOTE=Vandel;33297323]
I was referring to the fact that it is pointless to complain about the ethnicity of an already established character. [/QUOTE]
it's not a fact just because you say it is
[QUOTE=Contag;33297390][img]http://blogamole.tr3s.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/dora-the-explorer.jpg[/img]
I'm sorry you were saying something about how characters aren't vehicles of societal values?[/QUOTE]
Are you suggesting that we must have a version of every character for every ethnicity?
[QUOTE=thisispain;33297402]it's not a fact just because you say it is[/QUOTE]
What can be gained from complaining about the ethnicity of a character?
[QUOTE=Vandel;33297403]Are you suggesting that we must have a version of every character for every ethnicity?[/QUOTE]
did you even read the post?
[QUOTE=thisispain;33297407]did you even read the post?[/QUOTE]
Yes of course the ethnicity of a character can convey culture but at what point are you not promoting one culture over another when you complain about the characters ethnicity?
[QUOTE=Vandel;33297429]Yes of course the ethnicity of a character can convey culture but at what point are you not promoting one culture over another when you complain about the characters ethnicity?[/QUOTE]
You know I posted two pictures of the same character there right? One was the old, the other was the new.
The idea is that characters are disproportionately white, and non-white characters tend to be simplistic caricatures of racist stereotypes
[QUOTE=Contag;33297442]
The idea is that characters are disproportionately white, and non-white characters tend to be simplistic caricatures of racist stereotypes[/QUOTE]
I am not arguing for simplistic caricatures in any way.
What I was arguing is that a character's ethnicity cannot appease everyone and attempts to do so would end up being counterproductive.
Arguing that a character is racist because they are white is as racist as any other generalization based on ethnicity.
[QUOTE=Vandel;33297467]I am not arguing for simplistic caricatures in any way.
What I was arguing is that a character's ethnicity cannot appease everyone and attempts to do so would end up being counterproductive.
Arguing that a character is racist because they are white is as racist as any other generalization based on ethnicity.[/QUOTE]
why
are you arguing against points that nobody makes
[QUOTE=Vandel;33297467]
Arguing that a character is racist because they are white is as racist as any other generalization based on ethnicity.[/QUOTE]
no one said this
[QUOTE=Vandel;33297323]What a nice post which adds to the thread.
I was referring to the fact that it is pointless to complain about the ethnicity of an already established character. It would be akin to saying that it's racist that Dora the Explorer is of Latin American decent rather than Caucasian decent.[/QUOTE]
Bruce Willis is a real live breathing human. Barbie is a brand name and a toy. One of these things is not like the other.
[QUOTE=Contag;33297442]The idea is that characters are disproportionately white, and non-white characters tend to be simplistic caricatures of racist stereotypes[/QUOTE]
Interestingly, Barbie is also a simplistic caricature of an ethnic identity. It happens to be an idealized one in this case, but the image of a rich, blonde and blue eyed, milk fed American could be said to be a white stereotype.
But anyway, when the majority of Barbie dolls are produced to look this way it is indicative of a culture that idealizes that image over others. It's passively racist.
It's about as racist as Star Trek.
The future is inherited by a white-western monoculture.
So yeah he does have a slight point.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;33298444]It's about as racist as Star Trek.
The future is inherited by a white-western monoculture.
So yeah he does have a slight point.[/QUOTE]
there was that one black gal
Skin colour =/= western monoculture
Wait, From what I read, the mother thinks Pink instead of Blue is racist.
Correct me if I am wrong.
Anyway, how is it racist?
[QUOTE=NoDachi;33298444]It's about as racist as Star Trek.
The future is inherited by a white-western monoculture.
So yeah he does have a slight point.[/QUOTE]
Star Trek is racist? Wat.
People are offended by racism waaaaaaaaaaaay to easily.
[QUOTE=Mingebox;33299677]Star Trek is racist? Wat.[/QUOTE]
No I said as racist as...
But regardless, it still depicts America-as-the-future, and humanity as a white monoculture.
Barbie is racist, but so are many other toys. Who cares? They're literally just toys. Racist Barbie is the least of our concerns.
[editline]16th November 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=McNab;33299730]People are offended by racism waaaaaaaaaaaay to easily.[/QUOTE]
Agreed. We're in the 21st Century. Get over yourselves.
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