• China has banned the burqa in it's biggest Muslim city,
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[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;46914085]what are you even saying? china is filled with soulless robots? of course china has a culture.[/QUOTE] The Chinese tried to go the way of the Soviets by suppressing anything that was left over from the Imperial era. They destroyed countless artifacts from all over China, in hopes of surpressing any sympathy for the imperial rule. Of course, they eventually went the way of ol' Uncle Jo, by embracing old culture, and surpressing anything that was different from it.
not a bad thing my tolerance has ran out
[QUOTE=Explosions;46915747]I have no idea what you're saying. I have read the book. If you don't believe that, that's not my problem. Still, I asked for your definition of Islam.[/QUOTE] The book is pretty closely tied to Islam, so if you have assessed that the Quran is evil, the same would apply to the religion. Keep in mind that condemning Islam doesn't imply hatred of Muslim people. Claims of the former being inherently discriminating are fallacious.
[QUOTE=sparky28000;46913861]I'm sure everybody will like it when people start wearing balaclavas in public. No reason we shouldn't it's just a piece of cloth.[/QUOTE] People [I]do[/I] wear balaclavas in public. [t]http://assets.dnainfo.com/generated/chicago_photo/2013/01/smiling-under-balaclava-13585237638331.jpg/larger.jpg[/t] [t]http://www.trbimg.com/img-516637f4/turbine/ct-talk-aj-2-balaclava-0411-jpg-20130410/600/600x413[/t] [t]http://highergearchicago.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Aaron-Sherrick-Cycling-in-Winter-clothing-300x219.jpg[/t] Etc. It's a nice way to keep your face warm when the weather gets nasty. However, this ban isn't based on functionality. The point that AK'z was trying to make is that this is very clearly a ban on a specific cultural garment, and not one intended to prevent people from wearing facial coverings that make it hard to identify them. China, of all places, sees facial coverings used daily by huge amounts of the population to help filter out some of the smog. A ban on burqas, and their variants, is nothing more than a targeted suppression of Islamic culture. While you're certainly free to argue that traditional Islamic garbs are themselves a suppression of women by Western standards, I'd argue that your Eurocentric cultural views are not necessarily shared by everybody in the world, nor is the apparent desire to squash potentially conflicting cultural ideologies appropriate by our own moral standards. To many, these garments simply represent tradition and faith, much in the same way that Hasidic Jewish men may wear curls and yarmulkes, Pentecostal women may wear long skirts and grow their hair out, and the Amish choose to wear only plain Quaker-style clothing. It's not a matter enforcing family power dynamics-- it's just a link to a culture and faith that they value and are trying to hold on to. This is especially true for families that have emigrated from their homelands into other countries. While it's fair to have criticisms of what many Islamic countries represent in today's day and age, the culture as a whole is rich in history, art, spirituality, and science. There is much to be celebrated, and Muslims abroad wishing to maintain a link with that is nothing that we should be fighting against. We should be celebrating it right along with them. I also find it deeply ironic that while we zealously (and appropriately) defend the right to freedom of expression in the wake of the Charlie Hebdo attacks, we would turn around and cheer for legislation preventing Muslims from wearing traditional clothing. That's a level of hypocrisy so wild and so obvious that I feel silly for even having to point it out.
[QUOTE=Explosions;46915747]I have no idea what you're saying. I have read the book. If you don't believe that, that's not my problem. Still, I asked for your definition of Islam.[/QUOTE] You can't define a religion.... Islam is a set of beliefs put into one book by one man during his life time. People say it's women's choice to wear the burqa - big generalization. I'm sure some would love to wear it, and then there would be some very scared to take it off, Islam like most religions has harsh penalties, but with Sharia law - it's technically allowed. Anyone else feel Sharia Law should be eradicated? [editline]13th January 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Big Dumb American;46916171]A ban on burqas, and their variants, is nothing more than a targeted suppression of Islamic culture. [/QUOTE] And a Burqa and their variants is nothing more than a targeted suppression of females - they don't have a choice in some countries but to wear it due to Sharia Law, and other times, that's all they know.
[QUOTE=butt2089;46913855]Wow, way to massively trivialise what a Burqa is. In some places women can't leave their house without wearing one, women have been killed for refusing to wear it - hardly just a piece of cloth over the mouth.[/QUOTE]Yeah, and white people in South Africa are sometimes killed because they're white. That doesn't mean that I, a white guy in Minnesota, have to worry about any of that ever. Just because shit's a certain way somewhere doesn't mean it's that way everywhere, [i]and you fucking knew that[/i] so right now you're just being argumentative. AK'z has a valid fucking point, China's only doing this to completely suppress any culture that isn't Han Chinese which is what they've been doing for three fucking thousand years. [QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;46915103]Fine by me. Either you're about to rob a bank and shoot a cop in which case you don't give a shit that wearing a balaclava is illegal because you're [I]going to do something illegal anyway[/I] and it benefits you to wear it or else it doesn't matter because you're not going to do anything anyway.[/QUOTE]What the fuck is wrong with you people? I have a 103 degree fever and sometimes shit's a little confusing because my brain's trying to melt but even I can see that the majority of this thread are just being dumb as shit. [b]Stop.[/b] I have a bandana I wear outside because it's [i]Minnesota[/i] and it's [i]fucking freezing outside[/i] and not because I'm robbing banks and gearing up to kill cops. You guys are acting like fascist motherfuckers, which is a bit sad because I consider most of you (like you specifically, JohnnyMo1) to be rational and reasonable people. Step back and think about this shit for a moment, I think most of the cultural practices surrounding Islam are stupid and incompatible with today's world but I'm not going to support for one second any measure that restricts personal liberty. Everyone has a right to their beliefs, and by extension if they want to dress up in some silly goddamn ninja mask then go right the fuck ahead. Oh and before people angrily reply to this post going "BUT THAR HUSBENDS!!!1111" consider the fucking following: domestic abuse is already a crime. Seriously, I am very disappointed in some of you right now.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;46916252]domestic abuse is already a crime. Seriously, I am very disappointed in some of you right now.[/QUOTE] Sharia Law - If your women (seen as property) does something wrong, you not only have the right, you have the responsibility to punish her.
every time I see explosions posting in a thread a bout the US military or Islam I break out the popcorn and a pair of comfy slippers [sp]coz u no dis shits gonna b good[/sp]
[QUOTE=Subzero MP3Z;46916287]Sharia Law - If your women (seen as property) does something wrong, you not only have the right, you have the responsibility to punish her.[/QUOTE]Okay, okay, okay. Going to stop you there, buddy. You have to realize that a [i]vast majority[/i] of Muslims don't practice "Sharia Law" or even practice the very widely-known set of cultural standards prevalent in the Middle East. Most Muslims are actually in Southeast Asia, so the Western perception of Muslims in general is basically limited to one area and that's it. You can immediately tell who's a crazy fuck because when they say "implement sharia law" they mean "implement the fucked up social policies that the Saudis wanted to export to the greater Arab world." I could spend basically a few days explaining why Islamic extremism is basically a Saudi invention, but I'm tired so just take my word for it. Traditionally the practice of covering oneself in traditional "Muslim" (read: Arabic) garb predates Islam by a long fuckin' time, it's served as a way to maintain social modesty (something reinforced in the Qur'an) and it's also practical given that it's fucking hot in the Middle East. This is true for both men and women, by the way, those man-dresses worn throughout the Middle East and all of those countries ending in "stan" were developed out of necessity. Anyway "sharia law" is [i]supposed to be[/i] the infallible law of Allah, but in practice it's basically reconciling local traditions with the Qur'an much like Christians did when they started adopting pagan traditions and holidays to subjugate the locals. (Christmas and Easter are Nordic heathen holidays with a side of Jesus) Again, aside from some shitty places like Qatar or Saudi Arabia, religious law is not the supreme law of the land and domestic abuse [i]is not okay.[/i] This is especially so in Western countries that have had laws regarding the harsh treatment of family members for far longer than they've had significant Muslim populations. So when you see on Fox News or the Daily Mail about SHAARIAA LAAAW!!! it's an isolated incident involving backwards shitheads who deserve to get deported anyway. Plus there's a bunch of different... schools? of thought when it comes to Islamic jurisprudence, (going back to that reconciling with local cultures thing I mentioned earlier) so the largely always-angry Somalians (personal experience) have a different interpretation of everything than Indonesians, or Pakistanis. Then there's the fun game of "is it Islam or is it tribal culture" that nobody seems to play because that would mean admitting that Islam isn't [i]pure evil.[/i] Most of the shit that bothers people (terrible treatment of wives/daughters/women, honor killings, etc) are actually bullshit tribal or regional customs that have been around since those people were banging rocks together and howling at the moon. Some of these things are [i]that old[/i] and have persisted throughout the years and are often used as a talking point in an "us vs them" debate, but what burns my ass is they're incorrectly attributed to Islam even if it blatantly conflicts with the Qur'an. (either Allah's laws or Muhammed's example, which is apparently a big deal) An example of this is preventing a woman getting a divorce through communal or legal intimidation, which [i]directly contradicts[/i] the Qur'an which specifically lays out that women can seek divorces. That's not addressing the reasoning behind seeking the divorce because it's a big can of worms, which is why using religious law written a long time ago as a modern legal codex is a retarded idea.
I really don't see the big deal about burqas, If you want to ban it,you better ban any sort of clothing that also covers your face. If you just want to ban burqas because they're opressing women,you're a bloody idiot because there are tons of women out there who would gladly wear it because of traditional,cultural and religious reasons
[QUOTE=Matrix374;46916491]I really don't see the big deal about burqas, If you want to ban it,you better ban any sort of clothing that also covers your face. If you just want to ban burqas because they're opressing women,you're a bloody idiot because there are tons of women out there who would gladly wear it because of traditional,cultural and religious reasons[/QUOTE] They're banning it because they don't want people openly practicing Islam. I mean the source says that other parts of the area have banned civil servants and students from fasting for Ramadan, and another has banned citizens from using public transportation if they're wearing any Islamic headgarb (Not just burqas, but also ones that DON'T cover the face like hijabs) or even if they have a large beard like many Islamic people do. This isn't about security or anything, it's just straight up trying to stamp out Islam by treating openly Islamic people like second class citizens.
or maybe we could let people wear whatever they want that could be nice too
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I'm glad China further proves the shittyness of Communism.
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;46914547]it's good to see Islamophobia alive and well on these forums[/QUOTE] I'm just surprised that its gotten as many dumbs as it had. The French ban was met with a much higher winner:dumb ratio. Unless of course, there's undercurrents of something else going on here since its a non-Western nation banning something. [editline]13th January 2015[/editline] And you can argue the basis of the bills, but it seems in the end one's being explicit with its true statement while the other is being more implicit.
It's perfectly fine to ban burqa's, ban them everywhere. Same reason ski-masks are banned, they conceal your face. Though, don't ban Hijabs, etc.
[QUOTE=milkandcooki;46915053]A better thing to do is ask yourself if you're right in condemning a faith that one and a half BILLION people belong to based on comparatively small anecdotal incidents.[/QUOTE] I would judge Islam more on the fact that a lot of countries that follow Sharia/Islamic law are stupidly oppresive, than that of a few terrorist attacks.
Can someone translate this? [img]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/244444/ShareX/2015-01/2015-01-13_14-59-05.jpg[/img] [B]If I had to guess:[/B] [img]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/244444/ShareX/2015-01/2015-01-13_15-15-06.png[/img] illegal [img]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/244444/ShareX/2015-01/2015-01-13_15-15-25.png[/img] legal but maybe illegal during riots. [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-mask_laws]see anti mask laws[/url] [img]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/244444/ShareX/2015-01/2015-01-13_15-16-11.png[/img][img]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/244444/ShareX/2015-01/2015-01-13_15-16-22.png[/img] all legal (the last ones seems to be there just for clarity) Something like that?
[QUOTE=Destroyox;46917160]I'm glad China further proves the shittyness of Communism.[/QUOTE] Shut up racist. Communism is a diverse belief that spans lots of different schools and practices. Communists in Western countries already have to deal with constant discrimination and have been dealt a shit hand for decades. Remember the McCarthy Era? Your comments are disrespectful to the billion+ communists who don't believe in China's system. How dare you attack an entire faith with such a broad brush.
[QUOTE=CapsAdmin;46917771]Can someone translate this? [img]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/244444/ShareX/2015-01/2015-01-13_14-59-05.jpg[/img] [/QUOTE] That's absolutely pathetic.
[QUOTE=markfu;46917246]I'm just surprised that its gotten as many dumbs as it had. The French ban was met with a much higher winner:dumb ratio. Unless of course, there's undercurrents of something else going on here since its a non-Western nation banning something. [editline]13th January 2015[/editline] And you can argue the basis of the bills, but it seems in the end one's being explicit with its true statement while the other is being more implicit.[/QUOTE] Lot more people are actively arguing it in this thread. [editline]13th January 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Explosions;46917869]Shut up racist. Communism is a diverse belief that spans lots of different schools and practices. Communists in Western countries already have to deal with constant discrimination and have been dealt a shit hand for decades. Remember the McCarthy Era? Your comments are disrespectful to the billion+ communists who don't believe in China's system. How dare you attack an entire faith with such a broad brush.[/QUOTE] Are you fucking kidding me. You don't just pick and choose a religion. I know you like to edge it out over this sort of thing but in no way is someone's political beliefs at all on the same level as their religious beliefs. You're like the people who demand to know why Muslims are still Muslims because of terrorism.
[QUOTE=ImperialGuard;46920425]You don't just pick and choose a religion.[/QUOTE] To be honest most people do this. Plus political ideologies have a tendency to resemble religions.
[QUOTE=ImperialGuard;46920425]Are you fucking kidding me. You don't just pick and choose a religion. I know you like to edge it out over this sort of thing but in no way is someone's political beliefs at all on the same level as their religious beliefs. You're like the people who demand to know why Muslims are still Muslims because of terrorism.[/QUOTE] You don't just pick and choose your political beliefs either. And would you care to explain how they are on a "different level" from religious belief rather than just asserting it?
[QUOTE=Explosions;46917869]Shut up racist. Communism is a diverse belief that spans lots of different schools and practices. Communists in Western countries already have to deal with constant discrimination and have been dealt a shit hand for decades. Remember the McCarthy Era? Your comments are disrespectful to the billion+ communists who don't believe in China's system. How dare you attack an entire faith with such a broad brush.[/QUOTE] What did you just say? [video=youtube;guG9cVs3ms4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guG9cVs3ms4[/video] WHAT DID YOU JUST SAY? COMMUNISM IS A TRAVESTY. AND I'LL HAVE YOU KNOW HERE IN AMERICA WE KNOW DEMOCRACY IS THE ONLY WAY TO THE TOP, AND IF YOU'RE DIRTY RED SCUM YOU'LL BE GETTING THE ATOM BOMB! Now excuse me while I exercise my rights. I'm off to fuck a Bald Eagle while wearing a burqa.
I'm going to say something wholly true but quite controversial. China or Islam are going to take over the world one day, and I sure hope it's the Chinese. Also the burqa was first worn to protect people from harsh deserts, not to protect modesty. I don't support the burqa being forced upon others in the name of religion and modesty because it's all bullshit anyway. Going as far as banning clothing that can be worn is a bit far though.
Imagine supporting the oppression of religion lmao
[QUOTE=Pyroknight;46926796]Imagine supporting the oppression of religion lmao[/QUOTE] But it's fine, they're the weird brown people who speak that durka durka language and rape goats all day, not actual people like whites /s
[QUOTE=Badballer;46926060]I'm going to say something wholly true but quite controversial. China or Islam are going to take over the world one day, and I sure hope it's the Chinese. [/QUOTE] Doubtful. China's only held up as an identity because it tried very hard to regulate and block external influence. And that's been breaking down. They're slowly being westernized. As for Islam? I'd sooner see the world burn. It's not going to happen, but if it did it would mean a regression of humanity and a loss of our one chance as a species to become anything better. I would shed oceans of blood if it ever came down to having to defend the future of the human race. I'm a pacifist, yet even more-so an extropian. The threat of a theocracy removes the pacifism completely.
[QUOTE=AK'z;46913800]but a [B]burka is also a piece of cloth over the mouth[/B], you've done nothing but target cultures m8.[/QUOTE] [img]http://i.imgur.com/IsziflF.png[/img] Not that this isn't blalenty targeted at muslims or anything, but there is quite the difference etwheen a "piece of cloth over the mouth" and a freaking burka.
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