• China has banned the burqa in it's biggest Muslim city,
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The conclusion should be clear already: Chinese Government is anti-Islam. Several similar incident had happened in the past. One in particular includes banning Ramadhan fasting [url]http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-28123267[/url] Any further speculation on China anti-Islamic stand is redundant.
[QUOTE=Cold;46929003][img]http://i.imgur.com/IsziflF.png[/img] Not that this isn't blalenty targeted at muslims or anything, but there is quite the difference etwheen a "piece of cloth over the mouth" and a freaking burka.[/QUOTE] I think banning burkas and niqabs from public places is a perfectly valid thing to do, but it is pretty clear that they aren't doing it as some kind of safety measure or because they think it is oppressing. They are banning things that aren't even covering the wearers face not to mention the banning of fastening. How do you even enforce that? force feed people? Like someone in this thread said before, this is just the chinese government censoring things that aren't chinese.
[QUOTE=Cold;46929003][img]http://i.imgur.com/IsziflF.png[/img] Not that this isn't blalenty targeted at muslims or anything, but there is quite the difference etwheen a "piece of cloth over the mouth" and a freaking burka.[/QUOTE] big booty or just windy we may never know
[QUOTE=CapsAdmin;46917771]Can someone translate this? [img]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/244444/ShareX/2015-01/2015-01-13_14-59-05.jpg[/img] [B]If I had to guess:[/B] [img]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/244444/ShareX/2015-01/2015-01-13_15-15-06.png[/img] illegal [img]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/244444/ShareX/2015-01/2015-01-13_15-15-25.png[/img] legal but maybe illegal during riots. [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-mask_laws]see anti mask laws[/url] [img]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/244444/ShareX/2015-01/2015-01-13_15-16-11.png[/img][img]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/244444/ShareX/2015-01/2015-01-13_15-16-22.png[/img] all legal (the last ones seems to be there just for clarity) Something like that?[/QUOTE] The picture is in low res but i'll try As an attempt the modernize and educate the citizen of "insert city name", the education department will not begins the programme of "Visiting, understanding and gathering". Young men who has large beard and wears traditional cloths are encouraged to shave their beard and wear clothing that shows less "Devotions". Those who doesn't comply will be placed on a list where the government will in occasionally visit and investigated. Young females who wears the burqa are now encourages to substitutions " pic 2 for the 3 cut out pic". Government officials will now begin inspections and initiate "face to face" discussion with the citizen and various other communication mediums to prevent rebellious actions of the region. Pic 1 says (Please don't wear these kind of cloths) Pic 2 says (Encouraged replacement for burqa in pic 1) Pic 3 goes in the order (Traditional clothing from other cultures, encouraged clothing for older females, encouraged clothing for teenagers, encouraged clothing for young married females.)
[QUOTE=Badballer;46926060]I'm going to say something wholly true but quite controversial. China or Islam are going to take over the world one day, and I sure hope it's the Chinese.[/QUOTE] Islam won't take over the world. Like every other religion, it's slowly losing its former power. In the middle ages, Islamic societies regularly tortured people to death, killed philosophers, frequently went to war, burned books, and executed people for petty crimes. Even the better off and more tolerant ones had restrictions on religious and ethnic minorities, heavy taxation, and still suffered from famine and disease. These days, what I described above is the exception and not the norm. Morocco and Turkey are two countries that are nothing like their Medieval Islamic counterparts. As for Saudi Arabia and Iran, where things are certainly much more repressed, I don't see them continuing on that path much longer.
[QUOTE=Cold;46929003][img]http://i.imgur.com/IsziflF.png[/img] Not that this isn't blalenty targeted at muslims or anything, but there is quite the difference etwheen a "piece of cloth over the mouth" and a freaking burka.[/QUOTE] as far as I'm concerned the shroud aspect of the burka has no significance to people's awkwardness towards it. [editline]14th January 2015[/editline] if you honestly think a hood is that disconcerting when this shit is about: [img]http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0228/2185/products/treat-your-girl-right-tshirt-royal_large.jpg?v=1404413433[/img] you should sort it out in your head.
[QUOTE=thrawn2787;46913960]Kind of ironic that modern china doesn't really have a culture of its own from what I can tell.[/QUOTE] Well they only worship Mao. In the terms of Maoism, which is created by the government as a lame ass attempt to make culture in communist China. The only real way you can find actual Chinese culture is to find actual China towns in cities like Los Angeles, New York, or others since most of those people who live there were people who escaped Mao's regime, and luckily carried enough Chinese culture with them. [editline]15th January 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Deng;46930490]Islam won't take over the world. Like every other religion, it's slowly losing its former power. In the middle ages, Islamic societies regularly tortured people to death, killed philosophers, frequently went to war, burned books, and executed people for petty crimes. Even the better off and more tolerant ones had restrictions on religious and ethnic minorities, heavy taxation, and still suffered from famine and disease. These days, what I described above is the exception and not the norm. Morocco and Turkey are two countries that are nothing like their Medieval Islamic counterparts. As for Saudi Arabia and Iran, where things are certainly much more repressed, I don't see them continuing on that path much longer.[/QUOTE] Burning philosophers? What the hell are you talking about, basically all of our modern math came from Muslim scholars during the 9-11th century. Without those guys, we wouldn't have known Algebra or Algorithms. And if we had no idea what Algorithms were, we would basically have no computers then. and here is proof [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muḥammad_ibn_Mūsā_al-Khwārizmī"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muḥammad_ibn_Mūsā_al-Khwārizmī[/URL]
[QUOTE=Deathtrooper2;46940645] Burning philosophers? What the hell are you talking about, basically all of our modern math came from Muslim scholars during the 9-11th century. Without those guys, we wouldn't have known Algebra or Algorithms. And if we had no idea what Algorithms were, we would basically have no computers then. and here is proof [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muḥammad_ibn_Mūsā_al-Khwārizmī"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muḥammad_ibn_Mūsā_al-Khwārizmī[/URL][/QUOTE] True let's not forget that some people did get on the authorities bad side like Averroes/Ibn Rochd, who helped translate and distribute many greek texts from the Hellenistic period throughout Europe and were used as a foundation to the enlightenment age, and was executed for his troubles.
[QUOTE=Phil5991;46940750]True let's not forget that some people did get on the authorities bad side like Averroes/Ibn Rochd, who helped translate and distribute many greek texts from the Hellenistic period throughout Europe and were used as a foundation to the enlightenment age, and was executed for his troubles.[/QUOTE] Well they did go during an age of complete shit, but there was a bunch of them who studied mathematics and Astronomy.
[QUOTE=Deathtrooper2;46940645]Well they only worship Mao. In the terms of Maoism, which is created by the government as a lame ass attempt to make culture in communist China. The only real way you can find actual Chinese culture is to find actual China towns in cities like Los Angeles, New York, or others since most of those people who live there were people who escaped Mao's regime, and luckily carried enough Chinese culture with them.[/QUOTE] if you were being melodramatic about not being able to find chinese culture outside of china then fine, but if you were being serious then you're wrong, very wrong.
[QUOTE=Autumn;46940879]if you were being melodramatic about not being able to find chinese culture outside of china then fine, but if you were being serious then you're wrong, very wrong.[/QUOTE] Well i just meant that you are able to find more things about Chinese culture outside of China more easier than inside of it since Communism basically destroyed most of it.
i dunno, i've been there and whilst in the big cities and with government funded guides there was very much a "china looks after it's people, we are very successful nation, everyone is very happy" message being forced upon us, in the rural parts it was oozing with culture. a beautiful country, in places.
[QUOTE=Autumn;46940930]i dunno, i've been there and whilst in the big cities and with government funded guides there was very much a "china looks after it's people, we are very successful nation, everyone is very happy" message being forced upon us, in the rural parts it was oozing with culture. a beautiful country, in places.[/QUOTE] Well mostly the rural areas in China still haven't lost their culture, i just meant China in general.
[QUOTE=Deathtrooper2;46940645]Well they only worship Mao. In the terms of Maoism, which is created by the government as a lame ass attempt to make culture in communist China. The only real way you can find actual Chinese culture is to find actual China towns in cities like Los Angeles, New York, or others since most of those people who live there were people who escaped Mao's regime, and luckily carried enough Chinese culture with them. [editline]15th January 2015[/editline] Burning philosophers? What the hell are you talking about, basically all of our modern math came from Muslim scholars during the 9-11th century. Without those guys, we wouldn't have known Algebra or Algorithms. And if we had no idea what Algorithms were, we would basically have no computers then. and here is proof [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muḥammad_ibn_Mūsā_al-Khwārizmī"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muḥammad_ibn_Mūsā_al-Khwārizmī[/URL][/QUOTE] "9-11" "Muslim" :tinfoil:
[QUOTE=Deathtrooper2;46940645]Burning philosophers? What the hell are you talking about, basically all of our modern math came from Muslim scholars during the 9-11th century. Without those guys, we wouldn't have known Algebra or Algorithms. And if we had no idea what Algorithms were, we would basically have no computers then. and here is proof [URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muḥammad_ibn_Mūsā_al-Khwārizmī[/URL][/QUOTE] Yes, and? The point is that they still didn't live very well. Muslim societies then weren't famed for their tolerance any more than European or Indian or China was (consider Sicily and Poland). Like all "Golden Ages", the Islamic golden age is a myth that lacks historical evidence and cherrypicks extensively. While it is true they had examples of tolerance, great philosophers, etc, they still practiced public execution and torture. The Sunnis and Shiites butchered each other and burned down cities. Medieval European societies did much the same.
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