• Russian Krokodil has appeared in the USA
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[QUOTE=yawmwen;42322394]meth doesn't create a dependency dude. this is coming from a meth addict. don't ever try to compare meth addiction to opiate, benzo, or alcohol dependence because it is absolutely insulting to the people who suffer those withdrawals. meth addiction is psychological in nature, and is actually quite a bit less painful to withdraw from than cigarettes. i'v been sober for almost 7 days and i have suffered from increased appetite, fatigue, depression, and an insane desire to blow clouds. i'v seen people having withdrawals from alcohol, benzos, and opiates. it's fucking terrifying and enough to make me limit their use to twice a week max.[/QUOTE] Meth messes with the dopamine levels in the brain and the withdrawal is an effect of that. How is that not physical dependence?
Its only so bad because when they make it they aren't bothered to filter out the iodine and other chemicals involved in the extraction process, the actual drug diamorphine that gives you the effects is fine its the fact that they are injecting that alongside toxic chemicals into their flesh that gives the necrosis effect. [editline]27th September 2013[/editline] woops late [editline]27th September 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=J!NX;42322514]not only that, but meth can really fuck up your reputation big time, no doubt, depending on who finds out. (if they aren't cool about it) but I think I'd rather smoke meth than cigarettes. They can just be a MASSIVE drain on health, intelligence and mostly money,[/QUOTE] Cigarettes don't drain your intelligence
[QUOTE=sgman91;42326513]Meth messes with the dopamine levels in the brain and the withdrawal is an effect of that. How is that not physical dependence?[/QUOTE] orgasm causes a massive release of dopamine. eating causes a release of dopamine. would you say that orgasm and overeating are physically addictive? "psychological addiction" is different from "physical dependency" because the withdrawals of psychological addiction are psychological(depression, desire to use, etc.) and the withdrawals of physical dependency are more physical(nausea, shaking, itchiness, etc.). [editline]27th September 2013[/editline] i mean yea meth enhances the effects of natural dopamine release, which is precisely why it is so addictive. however, withdrawal is generally psychological in nature.
Is there such a thing as eatgasming? Because I could probably become addicted to that.
[QUOTE=lolwutdude;42319779]i dont understand out of all drugs that are available, they choose this isn't normal heroin enough? whats so special about krokodil that they prefer have their skin eaten away rather than doing the regular stuff?[/QUOTE] There was a (surprisingly interesting) BBC documentary about drug problems in 3 different countries, one focused on Ukraine and they talked a bit about this stuff. Apparently the people who chose to use it cannot afford or get a hold of heroin so they make whatever they can. Its quite surprising that it has turned up in a country like the US for this reason.
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;42324025]proves that [I]​some [/I]people are liable to this and that they don't care about their own body. doesn't prove that everyone is like this.[/QUOTE] No, that's not how it works. You are controlled by your brain, and if your brain is fucked up from chemicals and wants more, you don't have a lot of choice. Your brain will not be resistant to addiction just because you say it is.
A lot of people would rather withdrawal than this though
Yeah withdrawal might be uncomfortable and irritating but at least it doesn't eat your fucking flesh or kill you like this shit.
Why do you english speakers call it krokodil even though the proper translation would be crocodile?
This is a shame. To be so addicted to something that literally causes you to rot from the inside out. Not a good way to go. So I take it that people would switch to Krokodil once they are unable to afford regular heroin? Jeez. My most recent ex was a recovering heroin addict. The news of this drug is worrying at the least.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;42326822]orgasm causes a massive release of dopamine. eating causes a release of dopamine. would you say that orgasm and overeating are physically addictive?[/QUOTE] Yes, I would. [quote]By far, the most convincing evidence for an FA model comes from animal models where rodents exposed to high-sugar, high-fat and a combination of high-sugar high-fat (cafeteria) diets develop behaviours that resemble addiction. These behaviours comprise binge eating, compulsive food-seeking and withdrawal symptoms (13,43). They are accompanied by concomitant neural changes: elevated self-stimulation thresholds, lower striatal D2 receptors (suggesting an anhedonic state) (13) as well as decreased accumbens dopamine (44) and elevated acetylcholine, which are perhaps features of withdrawal (45,46). In sugar addiction models, an opiate-mediated withdrawal syndrome has been demonstrated (46)[/quote] [url]http://yourbrainonporn.com/food-addiction-valid-and-useful-concept-2013[/url] [quote]Accumulating research evidence has documented neurobiological and behavioural similarities between compulsive overeating and psychoactive drug dependence, leading researchers to use the term of ‘food addiction’ to describe this pattern of overeating [12]–[16]. In animal models, foods high in sugar and fat are particularly associated with addiction-like eating behaviour [17]–[19]. In human studies, it has also been suggested that the pattern of food intake in ‘food addiction’ may parallel substance dependence and this phenomenon might be understood with the same neurobiological, behavioral and clinical framework as conventional drug dependence [20]–[22].[/quote] [url]http://yourbrainonporn.com/food-addiction-its-prevalence-and-significant-association-obesity-general-population-2013[/url] [quote]I considered that porn might have something to do with ED, but never thought the fatigue could be caused by the constant state of withdrawal from porn/orgasm. Good to see that many are reporting it as a withdrawal symptom.[/quote] [url]http://www.reuniting.info/download/pdf/0.WITHDRAWAL.pdf[/url]
[QUOTE=JustExtreme;42327459]Yeah withdrawal might be uncomfortable and irritating but at least it doesn't eat your fucking flesh or kill you like this shit.[/QUOTE] I don't know how anyone can be so stupid to try this drug. Yesterday, I learned what the inside of a live human arm looked like!
I can confirm, that Krokodil is in Tampa. The shit is TERRIFYING. We got a lot of Russians over here. Its not in huge numbers. Mostly in the clubs.
[QUOTE=Sprockethead;42319859]What's the problem? The morons are exterminating themselves.[/QUOTE] Just wait till a good friend of your's suffers from addiction. One could be already/ I'm not saying it's going to happen, I [B]really[/B] hope you never have to experience something like that. But don't dehumanize people just because they have a problem. Are they dumb for doing it in the first place? Maybe. But everyone has moment of weakness and everyone has points in life where they make a mistake. Think of it this way; If someone you care about has a problem with drugs are you willing to completely phase them out of your life? Because that sounds like what you would do.
[QUOTE=Egevened;42324015]zeke I like you but car crashes probably kill more people than alcohol your point is?[/QUOTE] It's hypocritical for someone to say that it's a weakness to use drugs to cope with a difficult life but "alcohol is most I can take".
[QUOTE=ShaunOfTheLive;42327769]Yes, I would.[/QUOTE] I think wanking is more of a psychological addiction, as proven by the sources you provided trying to prove the opposite lol You're not going to suffer physically from suddenly not wanking, you'll just really want to get off. No cold sweats or aches or anything like that. Anything can be psychologically addictive but not everything can be physically addictive. Just compare that to alcohol withdrawal, if you're deep in that shit and just cut cold turkey you can die.
[QUOTE=ShaunOfTheLive;42327769]Yes, I would. [url]http://yourbrainonporn.com/food-addiction-valid-and-useful-concept-2013[/url] [url]http://yourbrainonporn.com/food-addiction-its-prevalence-and-significant-association-obesity-general-population-2013[/url] [url]http://www.reuniting.info/download/pdf/0.WITHDRAWAL.pdf[/url][/QUOTE] so then what does physical addiction actually mean? [editline]27th September 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=SexualShark;42328332]I can confirm, that Krokodil is in Tampa. The shit is TERRIFYING. We got a lot of Russians over here. Its not in huge numbers. Mostly in the clubs.[/QUOTE] why would someone use it in the states? heroin is easier to get than codeine here afaik.
I think it's more than just wanting their next fix. IIRC in some areas of Russia, specifically the high poverty areas, heroin addiction is as high as 20% of the entire population. Drugs are part of the culture in Russia, especially heroin. With so many people doing it, and so little opportunity to raise yourself up, it's no wonder that people turn to drugs. I am not an expert on Russian culture, or economics, but I have a good feeling that most people in the inner cities either don't work or are paid very poorly. With heroin addiction being rampant and money being tight, I'm not surprised that someone came up with a cheaper way to get high. It's not just addicts being addicts, it's people being hopeless and not caring if they live or die since they feel it is inconsequential. Just the general atmosphere of dreary days, dilapidated buildings, prostitution, high crime, mafia influence, Turkish drug runners, and everything else that they have to deal with on the daily, I can understand why they turn to drugs. Once they are using there's really nothing stopping them from falling down the slippery slope of addiction into what you see today. That's my view of the situation anyway. It's like being one of millions who have no power to do anything. Just a spot on the human landscape of a destroyed russian urban metropolis. I feel bad for them more than I feel they are stupid for using. I can't imagine the feeling of worthlessness that these people must feel. I wonder how many einsteins, and hawkings would never see the light because of addiction and poor opportunities.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;42328459]why would someone use it in the states? heroin is easier to get than codeine here afaik.[/QUOTE] Oh yeah, even in Woodinville which is full of rich white people and built around a highschool it's easy to find heroine. So many people at that highschool do it, when I was going there a few years ago it wasn't nearly as much of an issue.
It's in AZ because we want to be hip
[QUOTE=Trogdon;42328624]It's in AZ because we want to be hip[/QUOTE] and apparently dead
[QUOTE=Noi;42328019]what in the hell[/QUOTE] You cant make this shit up
[QUOTE=Amish Steak;42327972]I don't know how anyone can be so stupid to try this drug. Yesterday, I learned what the inside of a live human arm looked like![/QUOTE] Whatever. The bit you quoted was referring to withdrawal from heroin being relatively harmless compared to this so I'm not sure why you quoted it.
[QUOTE=breakyourfac;42322161]How can a drug with a half life of three hours make you hallucinate for a day[/QUOTE] If the drug is metabolized by half every three hours, it remains in your system for a very long time. 3 hours = 50% 6 hours = 25% 9 hours = 12.5% 12 hours = 6.25% 15 hours = 3.125% 18 hours = 1.5625% etc. You don't need a large amount of codeine in your system for it to have an effect on you, especially if you're allergic to it.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;42320797]don't say what you would do during withdrawals until you have suffered the same withdrawals. it's easy to say what you would do now, but it's completely another when your entire body and mind is screaming in agony due to drug withdrawal.[/QUOTE] Dont think you understand how much of a fear I have for anything flesh eating. Its like my #1 fear.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;42327054]Is there such a thing as eatgasming? Because I could probably become addicted to that.[/QUOTE] Maybe you should go Masticate and find out.
[QUOTE=LVL FACTORY;42327650]Why do you english speakers call it krokodil even though the proper translation would be crocodile?[/QUOTE] I guess its because its the name of it that people are familiar with. It wouldn't be the first non-English word to make it into the English language as a name for something.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;42328459]so then what does physical addiction actually mean? [editline]27th September 2013[/editline] [B]why would someone use it in the states? heroin is easier to get than codeine here afaik.[/B][/QUOTE] People with money to blow and with a party hard life are going to do really REALLY stupid shit.
[QUOTE=LVL FACTORY;42327650]Why do you english speakers call it krokodil even though the proper translation would be crocodile?[/QUOTE] Because it was named in Russia, thus the proper name is "Krokodil" and not "Crocodile". We say AK-47 (Avtomat Kalashnikov model 1947), not KAR-47 (Kalashnikov Automatic Rifle model 1947).
I saw the vice documentary quiet a while ago and I have to say, it has disturbed me. I know why some people use drugs and I actually feel bad for them but I do not feel bad for the people who are making them [I](this drug is easier to make and get a hold of compared to others though, so they might be making it themselves)[/I] to take advantage of others though..
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