Documents: Cosby admitted in 2005 to getting Quaaludes to give to women he sought sex with
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This reminds me of the time that I first learned that Bob Saget was not the wholesome family-friendly TV personality I knew him to be...
Except instead of dropping enough F-bombs to level Berlin it's date-rape.
[QUOTE=BusterBluth;48136781]When you have over 20 unconnected people coming forward with just about the same story I think thats a good indication too[/QUOTE]
Not really; in my book such a large number of people only makes it more suspicious.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;48138102]Innocent till proven guilty.[/QUOTE]
Nobody has argued against that. "Hey, maybe this guy who has 40 women saying he raped them might be a rapist, don't discount that possibility" isn't "EXECUTE HIM AT THE STAKE IMMEDIATELY" like [I]some[/I] people here seem to think.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;48138102]Innocent till proven guilty.[/QUOTE]
why do people keep bringing this up as if i, or anyone on fp really, has ever questioned it? if anything you should be quoting iago's post instead which accuses all 40 alleged victims of being scam artists
well, that's disheartening. Cosby was one of my favorite comedians when I was younger.
Nobody has argued against "innocent until proven guilty".
What we're against here is the immediate dismissal of any and all accusations of rape against him being discarded because, oh, he's famous, obviously these women are just lying for a tidy bundle of cash. Except very very few women will actually go to the trouble of the court drama, the rape tests (Which are very invasive, I might add), the stress, and paying the money [I]for[/I] the court costs just for a few thousand dollars.
[QUOTE=*Freezorg*;48138218]Not really; in my book such a large number of people only makes it more suspicious.[/QUOTE]
How.... does that make any fucking sense at all
40 people, who don't know each other and have never talked before, all having near-identical stories of sexual assault, and that makes you suspicious that it HASNT happened?
What the fuck, dude.
The deposition says that the women admit to willingly taking them from him, with full knowledge that they were quaaludes. Seems suspicious to me.
Not that I'm at all implying that he's innocent, because we have no idea of that, I'm just saying that all this deposition says against him is that he hooked up people with drugs who asked for them. Sure, it could absolutely be a black and white case of sexual misconduct, but as far as I know, and correct me if I'm wrong about this, but, usually in cases of date-rape, the girls aren't voluntarily taking the pills, right?
[QUOTE=J Paul;48138290]The deposition says that the women admit to willingly taking them from him, with full knowledge that they were quaaludes. Seems suspicious to me.
Not that I'm at all implying that he's innocent, because we have no idea of that, I'm just saying that all this deposition says against him is that he hooked up people with drugs who asked for them. Sure, it could absolutely be a black and white case of sexual misconduct, but as far as I know, and correct me if I'm wrong about this, but, usually in cases of date-rape, the girls aren't voluntarily taking the pills, right?[/QUOTE]
Just because they willingly take the pills doesn't mean he can rape them when they're unconscious.
[QUOTE=Starlight 456;48138255]Nobody has argued against "innocent until proven guilty".
What we're against here is the immediate dismissal of any and all accusations of rape against him being discarded because, oh, he's famous, obviously these women are just lying for a tidy bundle of cash. Except very very few women will actually go to the trouble of the court drama, the rape tests (Which are very invasive, I might add), the stress, and paying the money [I]for[/I] the court costs just for a few thousand dollars.[/QUOTE]
but if you go back to those threads there were still people saying the accusations are serious and shouldn't be tossed out due to doubt.
On topic, I think it's weird that he would admit it just like that, but I'm glad he did. Jesus Christ Bill you fucked up.
This really isn't surprising, considering that women have been accusing him of rape/sexual harassment over the last few decades.
[QUOTE=Starlight 456;48138295]Just because they willingly take the pills doesn't mean he can rape them when they're unconscious.[/QUOTE]
Sure, absolutely. It's just strange to me that someone would voluntarily take such a drug in such a context where it can be easily used for exactly that.
[QUOTE=ossumsauce;48138267]How.... does that make any fucking sense at all
40 people, who don't know each other and have never talked before, all having near-identical stories of sexual assault, and that makes you suspicious that it HASNT happened?
What the fuck, dude.[/QUOTE]
Why yes, I do find 40 people who "don't know each other" and "have never talked before" having near-identical stories of being victims of sexual assault of one person harder to believe than it being either set up or a bandwagon.
Keep in mind I'm not trying to defend Cosby or anything; I never even watched anything he was ever in. I'm just saying I find the idea of [I]one[/I] person sexually assaulting [I]forty people[/I] less believeable than a set up or bandwagon involving that many people. [I]that's all I'm saying[/I]
So don't "OMG WTF DUDE!!!" me, bloody hell. As if I just pissed on a statue of Holy Mary or something. No need to get all bloody defensive about it, I am literally just giving an entirely subjective opinion on something that may or may not turn out to be true as the investigation progresses and if it turns out he did do this to that many people I will god damn well swallow my words, however my personal biases are entirely inconsequential to the case. No need to get so uppity.
Goodness.
[QUOTE=J Paul;48138307]Sure, absolutely. It's just strange to me that someone would voluntarily take such a drug in such a context where it can be easily used for exactly that.[/QUOTE]
maybe they didn't know the context
[QUOTE=Blazedol;48138310]maybe they didn't know the context[/QUOTE]
attractive young woman meets and shows interest in rich old powerful man with connections who has access to pretty much anything they want including drugs that are discontinued, and they spend enough time together alone that date rape is even possible, how could that have not crossed their mind?
I am not blaming the victim here, if there was any wrongdoing, that is definitely terrible, however, I'm just saying something about the reported chain of events doesn't add up. Only way it makes sense is if cosby's lying and slipped the drugs to the girls without their knowledge.
[QUOTE=*Freezorg*;48138308]Why yes, I do find 40 people who "don't know each other" and "have never talked before" having near-identical stories of being victims of sexual assault of one person harder to believe than it being either set up or a bandwagon.
Keep in mind I'm not trying to defend Cosby or anything; I never even watched anything he was ever in. I'm just saying I find the idea of [I]one[/I] person sexually assaulting [I]forty people[/I] less believeable than a set up or bandwagon involving that many people. [I]that's all I'm saying[/I]
So don't "OMG WTF DUDE!!!" me, bloody hell. As if I just pissed on a statue of Holy Mary or something. No need to get all bloody defensive about it, I am literally just giving an entirely subjective opinion on something that may or may not turn out to be true as the investigation progresses and if it turns out he did do this to that many people I will god damn well swallow my words, however my personal biases are entirely inconsequential to the case. No need to get so uppity.
Goodness.[/QUOTE]
So you imply that 40 women decided to lie and accuse Bill Cosby of raping them, then for some reason think that someone raping 40 people using drugs is less believable then a setup with that many people, that didn't pay out for years and years, after people accuse them of lying and ignoring their accusations? How does that make any fucking sense at all? Why is a decently large group of people all accusing him of rape for money more believable then him genuinely raping 40 people with the use of drugs?
[QUOTE=BusterBluth;48137119]You really think over 40 people (holy shit just looked it up) are all just jumping on the wagon to get paid?[/QUOTE]
sure, why not?
the number means nothing either way
...unless he's proven guilty, in which case he's an even worse person, but you get what I mean
[QUOTE=Starlight 456;48138336]So you imply that 40 women decided to lie and accuse Bill Cosby of raping them, then for some reason think that someone raping 40 people using drugs is less believable then a setup with that many people, that didn't pay out for years and years, after people accuse them of lying and ignoring their accusations? How does that make any fucking sense at all? Why is a decently large group of people all accusing him of rape for money more believable then him genuinely raping 40 people with the use of drugs?[/QUOTE]
Well, if it [I]was[/I] a sham carried out by a few people, then I can see some people who believe the accusations joining in saying they were also raped so they could help get the accusers get Cosby in jail faster. Of course, it wasn't a sham and ended up being true, but if you told me a couple of those 40 were lying, can't say I'd be surprised.
[QUOTE=1STrandomman;48138360]sure, why not?
the number means nothing either way
...unless he's proven guilty, in which case he's an even worse person, but you get what I mean[/QUOTE]
The number means actually means a lot.
40 people is a lot of people to keep quiet until they possibly get paid if the court decides in their favor. That's 40 people who have family and friends who might let it slip, 40 people who might want to back out, 40 people who might tell the media about it.
[QUOTE=J Paul;48138334]attractive young woman meets and shows interest in rich old powerful man with connections who has access to pretty much anything they want including drugs that are discontinued, and they spend enough time together alone that date rape is even possible, how could that have not crossed their mind?
I am not blaming the victim here, if there was any wrongdoing, that is definitely terrible, however, I'm just saying something about the reported chain of events doesn't add up. Only way it makes sense is if cosby's lying and slipped the drugs to the girls without their knowledge.[/QUOTE]
I'm assuming it was something like "let's get high"
or he slipped them one
[QUOTE=Starlight 456;48138371]The number means actually means a lot.
40 people is a lot of people to keep quiet until they possibly get paid if the court decides in their favor. That's 40 people who have family and friends who might let it slip, 40 people who might want to back out, 40 people who might tell the media about it.[/QUOTE]
if they're getting paid and they know that (which is the whole point), what is their incentive for ruining anything? It doesn't take a conspiracy, we're not talking about the prisoner's dillema here
[QUOTE=*Freezorg*;48138308]Keep in mind I'm not trying to defend Cosby or anything; I never even watched anything he was ever in. I'm just saying I find the idea of [I]one[/I] person sexually assaulting [I]forty people[/I] less believeable than a set up or bandwagon involving that many people. [I]that's all I'm saying[/I]
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40 sounds like a lot but keep in mind the accusations span through a timeline of [I]43 years[/I], and many of them allegedly happened at the height of his fame. it's not unthinkable that if he realized he could get away with it he didn't see a reason to stop
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;48138413]40 sounds like a lot but keep in mind the accusations span through a timeline of [I]43 years[/I], and many of them allegedly happened at the height of his fame. it's not unthinkable that if he realized he could get away with it he didn't see a reason to stop[/QUOTE]
while that's true, accusations, no matter how many people are making them or how convincing they are, doesn't mean shit until someone shows up with evidence.
[QUOTE=Starlight 456;48138336]So you imply that 40 women decided to lie and accuse Bill Cosby of raping them, then for some reason think that someone raping 40 people using drugs is less believable then a setup with that many people, that didn't pay out for years and years, after people accuse them of lying and ignoring their accusations? How does that make any fucking sense at all? Why is a decently large group of people all accusing him of rape for money more believable then him genuinely raping 40 people with the use of drugs?[/QUOTE]
Because forty people is a lot of damn people. It's 40 people. That's as many as four tens. And that's terrible.
That's more people being raped by one guy than people who can sit inside a bus. It's like if a bus driver driving a double decker suddenly stopped, turned around, unzipped his pants, raped everyone in the bottom deck one by one and then climbed up the stairs and raped everyone in that deck. Then he goes out and rapes a couple more just walking on the street for good measure.
I get that my example is totally stupid and that this happened over the course of more than ten years, look, all I'm trying to say is that I find 40 people getting raped by one guy a bit less believeable than 40 people trying to make money in a slimy way and then seeing it not work out so good as it gets dragged across the years. [I]A bit less.[/I]
But in the end, I'm still not trying to say that he didn't do it. All I'm doing is saying I find one thing happening in this subject I'm neutral on more believeable than the other thing in this subject I'm neutral on. I'm not a judge and it's not my job to pretend I am.
You're taking my entirely meaningless, subjective opinion on something I have no say in more seriously than I am taking it. I [I]don't care[/I] if Cosby gets off with a slap on the wrist or if he spends the rest of his life being subjected to "advanced interrogation techniques" by the police and soap droppings in jail.
All I really want out of this is for the truth to be found and acted upon. No more, no less. We agree on what's fundamental about this. All the rubbish we're talking on this forum is ultimately meaningless so I don't understand you getting so indignant about the relatively reasonable (compared to other things you might read on these forums) statement of "hey I hope justice gets made but I'm leaning more to this side for entirely subjective, baseless reasons"
[editline]7th July 2015[/editline]
I guess part of the reason I find the people trying to suck some money out of it a bit more believeable is because it happened in this country. Some TV celebrity, 20 people made accusations against him. In the end apparently it was all bollocks.
Not only that. These are probably women that have some connection to Bill directly. What's the odds of that?
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[QUOTE=*Freezorg*;48138445] That's more people being raped by one guy than people who can sit inside a bus. It's like if a bus driver driving a double decker suddenly stopped, turned around, unzipped his pants, raped everyone in the bottom deck one by one and then climbed up the stairs and raped everyone in that deck. Then he goes out and rapes a couple more just walking on the street for good measure.
I get that my example is totally stupid and that this happened over the course of more than ten years, look, all I'm trying to say is that I find 40 people getting raped by one guy a bit less believeable than 40 people trying to make money in a slimy way and then seeing it not work out so good as it gets dragged across the years. [I]A bit less.[/I][/QUOTE]
I get that you said your example is silly but I want to emphasize that this is not a guy walking into a room and raping forty people. This is a charismatic, wealthy celebrity, who has admitted to purchasing date rape drugs, that was accused of raping women during a time that not only made it harder for rape victims to come forward, but (with most of them, at least) was also the height of his fame, spanning over 40 years. There are plenty of people to meet and parties to be had in almost half a century, especially when you're rich and famous. Sadly there's no evidence for either side, but frankly, I don't find it hard to believe that it really happened, at all
Literally none of you know anything that hasn't been published by the media. I don't see how this argument is going to be won seeing as you guys don't have a fucking clue whether he is guilty or not. Let the courts decide instead of the media.
[QUOTE=Noss;48138946]Literally none of you know anything that hasn't been published by the media. I don't see how this argument is going to be won seeing as you guys don't have a fucking clue whether he is guilty or not. Let the courts decide instead of the media.[/QUOTE]
this is pretty hard evidence dude, since it's basically Bill saying "I'm guilty"
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