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Seeing the Cosby show is gonna make me barf now.
[QUOTE=ossumsauce;48136414]In the world where the attacker's feelings are more important than the victim's. So.... the world we live in, apparently.[/QUOTE] Clearly you don't know the difference between an accusation and a conviction. Slanderous accusations can really hurt the prosecution, and weaken their claims.
[QUOTE=ossumsauce;48136414]In the world where the attacker's feelings are more important than the victim's. So.... the world we live in, apparently.[/QUOTE] Do keep in mind that this Cosby's lawyers statements. Not the judge's statement. There is no rape culture in the west.
What does the term "rape culture" even entail?
[QUOTE=itisjuly;48141539]What does the term "rape culture" even entail?[/QUOTE] Basically it's more societal in its roots than anything else; rape is pervasive, as well as normalized, due to attitudes held by a society at large about gender and sexuality. There's not an acceptable definition of this among most people as such though, but it does include studying the behaviors associated with such things, such as prison rape, sexual objectification, trivializing or denying rape, victim blaming, and so on. It's also strongly associated with a correlation to factors such as racism, sexism, homophobia, religious intolerance, etc.
[QUOTE=itisjuly;48141539]What does the term "rape culture" even entail?[/QUOTE] well to put it in a way that'll probably pique your interest a little more, when a man gets raped by a woman and everyone goes "yeah high-five bro," that's rape culture. so basically it's social cues or mannerisms focused on normalizing, trivializing, encouraging, and/or playing apologist for rape. as another example, you'll probably have seen plenty of it in threads about boys and young men in school who get taken advantage of by older women.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;48137164]Well its possible. Bandwagons and the smell of money and all.[/QUOTE] What. How would they make any money off of this. Who wants to launch a career as "one of the many women who was raped by Bill Cosby"especially when many of the victims were already famous and had respectable careers, which they by the way put on the line by coming out about it. Was it the irresistible allure of death threats and humiliating CNN interviews? [editline]7th July 2015[/editline] please someone outline how it's possible to make money off of this
Rape culture was originally defined in the culture of using men in jails as a form of currency or trade between inmates. It was about prison rape, then, without even trying to change the definition, it was moved out of the prison world and has been attached to society. However, outside of being a buzzword, most abuse and anti-rape networks such as [URL="https://rainn.org/news-room/rainn-urges-white-house-task-force-to-overhaul-colleges-treatment-of-rape"]RAINN[/URL] have stated rape culture doesn't exist or is used a boogey man to hide the actual causes of rape and abuse.
[QUOTE=Swilly;48142064]Rape culture was originally defined in the culture of using men in jails as a form of currency or trade between inmates. It was about prison rape, then, without even trying to change the definition, it was moved out of the prison world and has been attached to society. However, outside of being a buzzword, most abuse and anti-rape networks such as [URL="https://rainn.org/news-room/rainn-urges-white-house-task-force-to-overhaul-colleges-treatment-of-rape"]RAINN[/URL] have stated rape culture doesn't exist or is used a boogey man to hide the actual causes of rape and abuse.[/QUOTE] It has nothing to do with hiding real cases, the term is just widely misused
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;48142125]It has nothing to do with hiding real cases, the term is just widely misused[/QUOTE] Pretty much. I hate the word, not because what it implies but because its being used outside of original context.
[QUOTE=Swilly;48142064]Rape culture was originally defined in the culture of using men in jails as a form of currency or trade between inmates. It was about prison rape, then, without even trying to change the definition, it was moved out of the prison world and has been attached to society. However, outside of being a buzzword, most abuse and anti-rape networks such as [URL="https://rainn.org/news-room/rainn-urges-white-house-task-force-to-overhaul-colleges-treatment-of-rape"]RAINN[/URL] have stated rape culture doesn't exist or is used a boogey man to hide the actual causes of rape and abuse.[/QUOTE] Considering that a big factor of rape culture is how support for male rape victims is "yeah bro1!!1 you got pussy bro stop complaining!!!1" and that's still vastly more pervasive then actual support and counseling for genuinely injured men, I'm gonna call bullshit on the idea that it doesn't exist Also I don't know how something that causes discussion about the causes of rape and abuse is used as a boogeyman to hide the exact thing that it promotes discussion of
[QUOTE=G-Wash;48141906]What. How would they make any money off of this. Who wants to launch a career as "one of the many women who was raped by Bill Cosby"especially when many of the victims were already famous and had respectable careers, which they by the way put on the line by coming out about it. Was it the irresistible allure of death threats and humiliating CNN interviews? [editline]7th July 2015[/editline] please someone outline how it's possible to make money off of this[/QUOTE] I believe there have been similar (but smaller) cases where the victims made money off of it but don't quote me on it. Though, honestly, before any of this happened, I heard more that the victim just hated Cosby and was trying to destroy his career, or something like that.
[QUOTE=Starlight 456;48142139]Considering that a big factor of rape culture is how support for male rape victims is "yeah bro1!!1 you got pussy bro stop complaining!!!1" and that's still vastly more pervasive then actual support and counseling for genuinely injured men, I'm gonna call bullshit on the idea that it doesn't exist Also I don't know how something that causes discussion about the causes of rape and abuse is used as a boogeyman to hide the exact thing that it promotes discussion of[/QUOTE] All I have to do is point to the way that universities have handled the 'rape culture' goings on and I'll win because not only have the internal investigations and courts becomes even more rigged, they've stripped further rights from both the defendants and the plaintiffs. Rape culture is not used in a delicate manner like what you're trying to say it is, it's used, in our society as a god damn nuke in debate or conversation. Its misuse and abuse is why I don't consider it to exist. Because tis taken out of context and abused in every context as an 'I win' button.
[QUOTE=Cone;48141680]well to put it in a way that'll probably pique your interest a little more, when a man gets raped by a woman and everyone goes "yeah high-five bro," that's rape culture. so basically it's social cues or mannerisms focused on normalizing, trivializing, encouraging, and/or playing apologist for rape. as another example, you'll probably have seen plenty of it in threads about boys and young men in school who get taken advantage of by older women.[/QUOTE] I was once told by a feminist that rape culture was the perpetuation of the belittlement of women where they're only treated like sex objects and that being born male automatically makes you a part of it. I had to explain to her that being male by birth does not automatically make me want to belittle, much less rape, women, and that there's already a term to describe the rest: Misogyny.
[QUOTE=G-Wash;48141906]What. How would they make any money off of this. Who wants to launch a career as "one of the many women who was raped by Bill Cosby"especially when many of the victims were already famous and had respectable careers, which they by the way put on the line by coming out about it. Was it the irresistible allure of death threats and humiliating CNN interviews? [editline]7th July 2015[/editline] please someone outline how it's possible to make money off of this[/QUOTE] I do know one of the accusers was charging to be interviewed about the entire thing; Entertainment Tonight iirc interviewed her but when CBS Evening News reached out about an interview they were told they'd need to pay.
[QUOTE=Noss;48138946][B]Literally none of you know anything that hasn't been published by the media.[/B] I don't see how this argument is going to be won seeing as you guys don't have a fucking clue whether he is guilty or not. Let the courts decide instead of the media.[/QUOTE] Well guys lets shut down every thread here. No point in having a forum if we can't discuss and base opinions on the information we have on hand. [editline]7th July 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=*Freezorg*;48138445]Because forty people is a lot of damn people. It's 40 people. That's as many as four tens. And that's terrible. That's more people being raped by one guy than people who can sit inside a bus. It's like if a bus driver driving a double decker suddenly stopped, turned around, unzipped his pants, raped everyone in the bottom deck one by one and then climbed up the stairs and raped everyone in that deck. Then he goes out and rapes a couple more just walking on the street for good measure. I get that my example is totally stupid and that this happened over the course of more than ten years, look, all I'm trying to say is that I find 40 people getting raped by one guy a bit less believeable than 40 people trying to make money in a slimy way and then seeing it not work out so good as it gets dragged across the years. [I]A bit less.[/I] But in the end, I'm still not trying to say that he didn't do it. All I'm doing is saying I find one thing happening in this subject I'm neutral on more believeable than the other thing in this subject I'm neutral on. I'm not a judge and it's not my job to pretend I am. You're taking my entirely meaningless, subjective opinion on something I have no say in more seriously than I am taking it. I [I]don't care[/I] if Cosby gets off with a slap on the wrist or if he spends the rest of his life being subjected to "advanced interrogation techniques" by the police and soap droppings in jail. All I really want out of this is for the truth to be found and acted upon. No more, no less. We agree on what's fundamental about this. All the rubbish we're talking on this forum is ultimately meaningless so I don't understand you getting so indignant about the relatively reasonable (compared to other things you might read on these forums) statement of "hey I hope justice gets made but I'm leaning more to this side for entirely subjective, baseless reasons" [editline]7th July 2015[/editline] I guess part of the reason I find the people trying to suck some money out of it a bit more believeable is because it happened in this country. Some TV celebrity, 20 people made accusations against him. In the end apparently it was all bollocks.[/QUOTE] You do realize that a lot of these accusations have been being made for several decades. That's one hell of a fucking conspiracy.
[QUOTE=Swilly;48142064]Rape culture was originally defined in the culture of using men in jails as a form of currency or trade between inmates. It was about prison rape, then, without even trying to change the definition, it was moved out of the prison world and has been attached to society. However, outside of being a buzzword, most abuse and anti-rape networks such as [URL="https://rainn.org/news-room/rainn-urges-white-house-task-force-to-overhaul-colleges-treatment-of-rape"]RAINN[/URL] have stated rape culture doesn't exist or is used a boogey man to hide the actual causes of rape and abuse.[/QUOTE] The fact that a third of college aged men (not singling out men, an equivalent survey wasn't done for women afaik) admit to having raped someone as long as you don't actually use the word "rape" when you ask the question leads me to believe that we absolutely do live in a culture that normalizes rape - or at least seriously misunderstands what rape is.
[QUOTE=Swilly;48142278]All I have to do is point to the way that universities have handled the 'rape culture' goings on and I'll win because not only have the internal investigations and courts becomes even more rigged, they've stripped further rights from both the defendants and the plaintiffs.[/QUOTE] So the way that a couple of cases have gone awry [I][B]completely disprove[/B][/I] the idea that society normalizes rape, shoves it under the rug and equates men to being "above rape" and blames victims for their attack?
[QUOTE=Thlis;48137419]I hope people that don't assume someones guilty till prove innocent die in a hole. I mean what kind of retard demands proof before damning someone?[/QUOTE] With the amount of people coming forward and crying you'd have to be retarded to think he was innocent or just plain naive. [editline]7th July 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=J Paul;48138307]Sure, absolutely. It's just strange to me that someone would voluntarily take such a drug in such a context where it can be easily used for exactly that.[/QUOTE] He probably told them it was a drug to get high or asked them if they wanted to get high. [editline]7th July 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Noss;48138946]Literally none of you know anything that hasn't been published by the media. I don't see how this argument is going to be won seeing as you guys don't have a fucking clue whether he is guilty or not. Let the courts decide instead of the media.[/QUOTE] It's a conspiracy man the Illuminati wants to frame Cosby man! The man doesn't want you to know man!
[QUOTE=coldroll5;48144981] It's a conspiracy man the Illuminati wants to frame Cosby man! The man doesn't want you to know man![/QUOTE] I did not say he was innocent. I said that we don't know anything about the case aside from what the media have fed us. In this instance, it may be highly likely that he is guilty, but he still should not be treated as such until this is proven, regardless of how fucked up the situation might be. We have a justice system to prevent vigilantism and guarantee that everybody has the right to a fair trial. Having the media jump the gun and create a mob mentality prevents this justice from happening - and in the unlikely event that he is innocent, his life or career would never recover. Just think about the Michael Jackson case - his name is forever tarnished. I am not just saying this because it is Bill Cosby, I've never even seen any of his shows. I am saying this because I would expect the same if it was your average member of the public.
[QUOTE=Iago;48136975]holy shit I thought those rumors were a ploy to get money. I guess you just never know how a person can truly be.[/QUOTE] What the fuck dude. These women have said time and time again that they aren't seeking money and the statute of limitations has passed by about twenty years.
[QUOTE=coldroll5;48144981]With the amount of people coming forward and crying you'd have to be retarded to think he was innocent or just plain naive.[/QUOTE] yeah no doesn't work that way since they had no evidence
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