• Microsoft announces a lap-ish-top
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[QUOTE=VinLAURiA;48841664]The GPU in the keyboard unit? Honestly, I never would have thought of that. I mean - of [i]course[/i] that's where it is on an actual laptop, but I don't think I've ever seen a tablet employ that idea with its keyboard attachment. Correct me if I'm wrong, of course.[/QUOTE] It's not a new idea, I've heard the idea mentioned many times before (along with more outlandish ones like additional CPU cores or RAM), but I think this might be the first actual implementation.
I want one That price though, gonna be ridiculous in Europe with tax
[QUOTE=meppers;48841080]I really like how the screen detaches electronically with a keyboard button [editline]6th October 2015[/editline] [t]http://syllabus.vox-cdn.com/uploads/photo/image/21625/microsoft_0340.jpg[/t] bleh[/QUOTE] yeah i don't like the gap it has when closed. but i have a surface pro 3 which i love so i don't see reason to upgrade
[QUOTE=apurplerock;48841721]So what happens if you pull the keyboard off while you're using GPU[/QUOTE] As you need to press a button to release it, I suppose it'll do its magic and just switch just fine.
[QUOTE=apurplerock;48841721]So what happens if you pull the keyboard off while you're using GPU[/QUOTE] You'll break it, since it looks like you have to unlock it first.
[QUOTE=apurplerock;48841721]So what happens if you pull the keyboard off while you're using GPU[/QUOTE] Nvidia has a driver for seamless graphics switching
Video [video=youtube;XVfOe5mFbAE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=95&v=XVfOe5mFbAE[/video]
[QUOTE=Andre Gomes;48842119]Video [video=youtube;XVfOe5mFbAE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=95&v=XVfOe5mFbAE[/video][/QUOTE] Hm, no USB C? I'm kinda worried about that. Really digging that hinge, though. I don't even care if there's a gap while it's closed.
[QUOTE=Pw0nageXD;48841028]Have you gone shopping for a laptop at any point within the past few years? It's impossible to find one that isn't "inspired" by the macbook.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=woolio1;48841045]To be fair, it is the absolute best-designed laptop available. I've never seen another laptop that matches how it feels or performs exactly (in terms of case design. In that it doesn't feel plasticky or cheap.)[/QUOTE] Anyone who understands that when apple says revolutionary they actually mean "pretty much common sense" probably gets that all they really did was not [i]overdesign[/i] it though. I mean, it's not like apple created some structural wonder they literally just made the frame block with rounded edges :v: Not that it doesn't look great, it does because people love minimalist right now I guess, but I'm not sure how many points you can give someone for just [i]not fucking up something simple[/i]. Although I'm still of the opinion that the "superdrives" are trash, they can't accommodate smaller discs and it's a bit dodgy letting motors handle a relatively delicate disc, my ex's trashed an important CD once.
Seeing how these things are getting simultaneously getting tinier AND more powerful really makes me wish more manufacturers would keep avenues open to people like me who are completely okay with big clunky laptop dimensions of old; because those would probably be cheaper to buy or even more powerful since they're not crammed into such a tiny shell
[QUOTE=Bazsil;48842316]Seeing how these things are getting simultaneously getting tinier AND more powerful really makes me wish more manufacturers would keep avenues open to people like me who are completely okay with big clunky laptop dimensions of old; because those would probably be cheaper to buy or even more powerful since they're not crammed into such a tiny shell[/QUOTE] They still exist dude.
[QUOTE=Bazsil;48842316]Seeing how these things are getting simultaneously getting tinier AND more powerful really makes me wish more manufacturers would keep avenues open to people like me who are completely okay with big clunky laptop dimensions of old; because those would probably be cheaper to buy or even more powerful since they're not crammed into such a tiny shell[/QUOTE] Doubt any of the major manufacturers of CPUs or GPUs would be willing to start making an entire new line of chips to enable such a product, but I guess it would be cool if someone released a series of bulky "kit laptops" that had more easily user serviceable parts allowing you to easily pop in new wifi cards, card readers, ports like usb 3.0 and thunderbolt etc [QUOTE=GoDong-DK;48842377]They still exist dude.[/QUOTE] Yeah there's obviously bulkier laptops but most of the time it's just to fit a bigger screen, more hard drives, a proper CD drive, etc. Typically you don't get many straight upgrades to performance unless you get some kind of SLI monster or something like the new laptop series with a 980 desktop card in them, I mean you can get things like a 980m in a pretty slim computer.
[QUOTE=Elspin;48842407]Doubt any of the major manufacturers of CPUs or GPUs would be willing to start making an entire new line of chips to enable such a product, but I guess it would be cool if someone released a series of bulky "kit laptops" that had more easily user serviceable parts allowing you to easily pop in new wifi cards, card readers, ports like usb 3.0 and thunderbolt etc[/QUOTE] You basically just described a Clevo/Sager.
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;48842377]They still exist dude.[/QUOTE] The majority of large laptops these days are made specifically for professional outdoors work, or $2000 gaming laptops. My point is that if they're making such powerful laptops tinier and tinier, surely they could make large, cheaper/more powerful ones.
[QUOTE=Levelog;48842482]You basically just described a Clevo/Sager.[/QUOTE] I less meant websites that let you pick the hardware it comes with and more a laptop that's easier to add/remove/build yourself with parts you can order for it, which I didn't think you could do with those (correct me if I'm wrong, of course). I mean a major argument against laptops has always been an inability to upgrade [i]most[/i] parts.
[QUOTE=fishyfish777;48841252]can't wait for ifixit to give the surface book a repairability score of 0 though that 1-year limited warranty isn't particularly confidence inspiring for a design that looks 20 times harder to service than a MBP (especially with the surface pro 1, 2, and 3 all netting an excellent 1 out of 10 repairability score)[/QUOTE] Who cares, they'll be obliged to give a 24 month one anyway, just like apple is. Despite them giving a one year lw in the us as well. [QUOTE=Elspin;48842517]I less meant websites that let you pick the hardware it comes with and more a laptop that's easier to add/remove/build yourself with parts you can order for it, which I didn't think you could do with those (correct me if I'm wrong, of course). I mean a major argument against laptops has always been an inability to upgrade [I]most[/I] parts.[/QUOTE] There's laptops like that. The problem is they tend to be oversized, clunky monstrosities, because those standardised parts don't fit into anything else without some custom ordering. [QUOTE=Bazsil;48842316]Seeing how these things are getting simultaneously getting tinier AND more powerful really makes me wish more manufacturers would keep avenues open to people like me who are completely okay with big clunky laptop dimensions of old; because those would probably be cheaper to buy or even more powerful since they're not crammed into such a tiny shell[/QUOTE] Those exists and often are even cheaper. The problem with those, in terms of manufacturers, is that the margins are completely paltry. Companies prefer high margin devices if at all possible, which tend to be ultrabooks.
[QUOTE=Elspin;48842517]I less meant websites that let you pick the hardware it comes with and more a laptop that's easier to add/remove/build yourself with parts you can order for it, which I didn't think you could do with those (correct me if I'm wrong, of course). I mean a major argument against laptops has always been an inability to upgrade [i]most[/i] parts.[/QUOTE] No, I mean Clevo/Sager's use very standard parts. Usually MXM for GPU which is a standard, and all wifi cards, drives, disks, RAM, etc are generally on the most established standard. CPU's are generally socketed and hence replaceable/upgradeable. Expresscard slots satisfies your need for keeping up to date on ports too.
[QUOTE=meppers;48842083]Nvidia has a driver for seamless graphics switching[/QUOTE] and it sucks
[QUOTE=Levelog;48842576]No, I mean Clevo/Sager's use very standard parts. Usually MXM for GPU which is a standard, and all wifi cards, drives, disks, RAM, etc are generally on the most established standard. CPU's are generally socketed and hence replaceable/upgradeable. Expresscard slots satisfies your need for keeping up to date on ports too.[/QUOTE] That's pretty decent then, wasn't aware how user serviceable they were. Wasn't necessarily saying I'd want those features (currently looking towards the 980 laptops myself atm) but it's neat it exists to be able to do things like getting access to new ports, and maybe updating to major new wifi standards or whatever.
[QUOTE=.Lain;48842699]and it sucks[/QUOTE] Not really. It works pretty beautifully on all the systems I've used it on.
[QUOTE=Andre Gomes;48842119]Video [video=youtube;XVfOe5mFbAE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=95&v=XVfOe5mFbAE[/video][/QUOTE] This just made me realise I can flip my keyboard around on my SP3... Christ I'm dense.
Microsoft's got quite something going on with these introduction videos, the CGI is really pretty. They're really striving to the new, more professional Apple with their designs.
[QUOTE=VinLAURiA;48842138]Hm, no USB C? I'm kinda worried about that. Really digging that hinge, though. I don't even care if there's a gap while it's closed.[/QUOTE] Why would you want USB C, when a full sized USB port fits?
Also, the new Surface is coming out. [video=youtube;6Gh4o9IqeEU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Gh4o9IqeEU[/video]
[QUOTE=Talvy;48842838]Also, the new Surface is coming out. [video=youtube;6Gh4o9IqeEU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Gh4o9IqeEU[/video][/QUOTE] Fucking hell, Microsoft makes good product trailers.
Sadly i don't think that the main issues with the flip board on your legs haven't been fixed tho :/
[QUOTE=Cold;48842824]Why would you want USB C, when a full sized USB port fits?[/QUOTE] New standard, higher power, probably would be USB 3.1, etc etc. Type C has numerous benefits over Type A.
[QUOTE=Cold;48842824]Why would you want USB C, when a full sized USB port fits?[/QUOTE] You should look into USB C some more; it's not simply a smaller form factor. In fact, it's actually meant to supersede the current Type A and B ports entirely in time and has several technological benefits. A and B have always served to link devices in a host/slave relationship, while Type C intends to make that fully bi-directional. That doesn't sound like much, but if you look at the new MacBook Air, it means a laptop can have now have down to a single port of [i]any[/i] kind if it wants. Power, display, peripheral: one port. Type C both has a higher bandwidth and higher power transfer capability than the older designs, and bi-directional means the same port can charge your laptop from the wall and then charge a smart device off the laptop, or even charge the laptop off the smart device, with the connector being identical at both ends and both devices using the same exact port design, which can then be used to stream a full-HD display and power [i]that.[/i] Read up on it, it's pretty game-changing. Smaller while also faster and capable of supplying more power; it's a direct upgrade. Type A and B devices are still considered selling points for the time being because this is gonna be a slow transition and we've been using that iconic Type A port for two decades now, so it's the widest standard there is. It's gonna take time to move away from. And let's not forget: no more fumbling with USB superposition.
Part of the advantage of having a surface over most other tablets is that it's backwards compatible - Type A usb is a huge selling point for the average consumer, esp. when your competitors have mostly abandoned it. Your old software is probably going to work, the interface you're used to is back, and your hardware (usb hard drive/key/whatever) is going to play nice without an adapter.
I would love some of these but they are just -so- expensive. Problem is, I would only be interested in something in the range of i7, 8GB+ RAM etc that can do all my business work. Currently looking into getting this: Dell XPS 15 Intel Core i7-4712HQ 16GB 512GB SSD 15.6" 3200 x 1800 Touchscreen for £1600 where the surface would be £1771 I wouldn't pay more for a smaller screen on top of all that. or do you guys think it would actually be worth it? pity it doesn't have thunderbolt 3....
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