X64 processor even in tablet form? I don't know if that's new, but I'm impressed!
[QUOTE=VinLAURiA;48843443]Type C both has a higher bandwidth[/QUOTE]
For this part, Type C =/= USB 3.1
[editline]6th October 2015[/editline]
There's Type C 3.0 and Type A 3.1 too
i'd like one of these they seem really convenient
[QUOTE=Jacob_sword;48841165]That hinge is so bad why couldn't they make it close all the way?[/QUOTE]
Because the GPU is in the keyboard aka that hinge holds all the connectors to the main PC
At least, most likely.
[QUOTE=wraithcat;48842543]Who cares, they'll be obliged to give a 24 month one anyway, just like apple is. Despite them giving a one year lw in the us as well.
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that's fine as long as you plan to use your computer for only 2 years but god forbid your fan clogs up with dust and you have to heat-gun and guitar pick the display off to clean it
[QUOTE=Levelog;48843602]For this part, Type C =/= USB 3.1
[editline]6th October 2015[/editline]
There's Type C 3.0 and Type A 3.1 too[/QUOTE]
Fair enough; C [i]is[/i] also meant to work as the opposite end to an A or B cord for the interim as well.
[QUOTE=Major_Vice;48843561]Part of the advantage of having a surface over most other tablets is that it's backwards compatible - Type A usb is a huge selling point for the average consumer, esp. when your competitors have mostly abandoned it.
Your old software is probably going to work, the interface you're used to is back, and your hardware (usb hard drive/key/whatever) is going to play nice without an adapter.[/QUOTE]
Having Type C doesn't preclude also having some Type A ports in there. C would just be a nice bit of future-proofing, especially if on the tablet portion. Leave the As on the keyboard part; they claimed that the Pro 4 only didn't get thinner because they still had to fit some As on it, but that's not a problem with the tablet part of the Book because it has that keyboard module to house the bulky stuff while still remaining portable.
[QUOTE=VinLAURiA;48843443]You should look into USB C some more; it's not simply a smaller form factor. In fact, it's actually meant to supersede the current Type A and B ports entirely in time and has several technological benefits. A and B have always served to link devices in a host/slave relationship, while Type C intends to make that fully bi-directional. That doesn't sound like much, but if you look at the new MacBook Air, it means a laptop can have now have down to a single port of [i]any[/i] kind if it wants. Power, display, peripheral: one port.
Type C both has a higher bandwidth and higher power transfer capability than the older designs, and bi-directional means the same port can charge your laptop from the wall and then charge a smart device off the laptop, or even charge the laptop off the smart device, with the connector being identical at both ends and both devices using the same exact port design, which can then be used to stream a full-HD display and power [i]that.[/i] Read up on it, it's pretty game-changing. Smaller while also faster and capable of supplying more power; it's a direct upgrade. Type A and B devices are still considered selling points for the time being because this is gonna be a slow transition and we've been using that iconic Type A port for two decades now, so it's the widest standard there is. It's gonna take time to move away from.
And let's not forget: no more fumbling with USB superposition.[/QUOTE]
Aren't A and B also bi-directional? Well, if it wasn't for the fact that pretty much all devices need adapter cords anyway. However extension cords surely cannot be bi-directional even with C? I'd be a tiny bit concerned that a connector that small won't hold on very tightly, but I suppose even with big devices they don't even need to come under stress, and the saved space and compability makes it way worth it.
[QUOTE=KorJax;48843659]Because the GPU is in the keyboard aka that hinge holds all the connectors to the main PC
At least, most likely.[/QUOTE]
Sooo does this mean I can buy the cheapest Surface Book and swap out the keyboard part with a keyboard with the dedicated GPU?
[QUOTE=Talishmar;48843680]Aren't A and B also bi-directional? Well, if it wasn't for the fact that pretty much all devices need adapter cords anyway. However extension cords surely cannot be bi-directional even with C? I'd be a tiny bit concerned that a connector that small won't hold on very tightly, but I suppose even with big devices they don't even need to come under stress, and the saved space and compability makes it way worth it.[/QUOTE]
As far as I understand, all USB works on slave/host relationships unless you're specifically using USB On the Go, which I don't believe is all that common. Which is the host and which is the slave seems to be determined by which has the A (host) and which has the B (slave). While you can send data back and forth and stuff, I don't believe it's possible to - say - charge a laptop on the A end off a smaller device on the B end. This may change with the USB 3.1 standard applying to all three connector types and that's where all the [i]true[/i] bi-directional stuff comes from, but a C-to-C [i]physically[/i] removes that host/slave relationship by making the ends symmetrical and is meant to be the "flagship" connector for USB 3.1 going forward.
That said, yes: USB 3.1 itself is where all this change is coming from, not the C connector specifically. I'm not even sure if it even truly abolishes the host/slave thing as much as just can more dynamically decide which is which at any given moment. Host/slave may actually be a fundamental mechanic of the USB standard in terms of how data is transferred, if I remember correctly, so it may not be possible to fully remove. I imagine 3.1 just handles it much more flexibly. I dunno, do some research on your own.
[QUOTE=garychencool;48843727]Sooo does this mean I can buy the cheapest Surface Book and swap out the keyboard part with a keyboard with the dedicated GPU?[/QUOTE]
Theoretically, I don't see why not. Since the CPU itself is still located in the tablet part, you still wouldn't be getting the full power of an entirely higher-end model, but I guess the GPU keyboard would help a low-end tablet part do more than it could with the keyboard it ships with.
[QUOTE=garychencool;48843727]Sooo does this mean I can buy the cheapest Surface Book and swap out the keyboard part with a keyboard with the dedicated GPU?[/QUOTE]
AFAIK the keyboard with the dedicated GPU can only be purchased as part of the "surface book" as a whole and will only work with the surface book version.
There are subtle differences between the the surface book tablet and the surface pro 4 afaik, but could be wrong.
[QUOTE=VinLAURiA;48843670]Fair enough; C [i]is[/i] also meant to work as the opposite end to an A or B cord for the interim as well.
Having Type C doesn't preclude also having some Type A ports in there. C would just be a nice bit of future-proofing, especially if on the tablet portion. Leave the As on the keyboard part; they claimed that the Pro 4 only didn't get thinner because they still had to fit some As on it, but that's not a problem with the tablet part of the Book because it has that keyboard module to house the bulky stuff while still remaining portable.[/QUOTE]
Chicken vs egg problem. Why add a USB-C port - added money - when peripherals manufacturers have only really caught up with USB-A 3? Desktops are where you introduce new connectors.
No doubt someone at Microsoft weighed the added cost of including a USB-C port against the very, very small minority of customers who will not buy if it doesn't have one.
Yeah, I guess they'll probably save it for the Book 2 or whenever C starts getting truly prominent. Would've been nice, though.
Apropos USB Type-C, since the 3.1 standard is independent from the chosen connector (afaik), couldn't all the benefits be implemented in a normal USB cable?
[QUOTE=MrTwicks;48840985][IMG]http://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/surfacebook-640x400.png[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.techdigest.tv/Macbook%20pro.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
I dunno, most of the high end laptops these days copy the MacBook's design way more than this thing
These look pretty impressive. I love my Surface Pro 3, so I can't say I'm tempted to upgrade any time soon though.
[QUOTE=CrumbleShake;48844023]I dunno, most of the high end laptops these days copy the MacBook's design way more than this thing[/QUOTE]
Honestly beyond the metal I don't see the similarities. The hinge is different, it isn't beveled, the keyboard is different, etc. I mean at this point the MBP design is so old talking about copying it is like saying beige boxes in teh 90's copied some original design. Unless it's like literally a copy, which this clearly isn't.
[QUOTE=CrumbleShake;48844023]I dunno, most of the high end laptops these days copy the MacBook's design way more than this thing[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't say copied. The new Surface and the Macbook Pro look wildly different so I don't know why that comparison was made in the first place.
the fingerprint reader on the type cover is an optional add-on.
the new type cover with chiclet keys and glass trackpad costs the usual $130 but adding a fingerprint reader to it bumps up the price to $160
When the trailer said "Fingerprint scanner available in US only" all I could think of was the conspiracy theorists, claiming Windows 10 is stealing your fingerprints and supplying them to the government via telemetry data collection. You know, just to add to your personal file.
[QUOTE]it includes an Intel Skylake processor and a dedicated Nvidia GeForce GPU with GDDR5 [/QUOTE]
Which is??
[QUOTE=Lebofly;48844351]Which is??[/QUOTE]
We'll know tomorrow when it's available for pre-order.
According to Thurrott, there'll be a (fanless) Core M version as well, in lieu of the i3 version. I wonder if they'll remove the fan assembly, or simply let it turn off.
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;48844371]We'll know tomorrow when it's available for pre-order.
According to Thurrott, there'll be a Core M version as well, in lieu of the i3 version.[/QUOTE]
Which is fantastic IMO. It's already been confirmed by the way with a Core M model, and they're already available for preorder. I'd love a Surface with a 4.5w processor that's as capable as a Core M. My brother can play CS:GO (albeit barely) on his ASUS with a Core M.
[editline]6th October 2015[/editline]
Unless you meant a Core M for the Surface Book.
[QUOTE=MrTwicks;48840985][IMG]http://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/surfacebook-640x400.png[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.techdigest.tv/Macbook%20pro.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Key difference: Leopard shocked and awed everyone, whereas Win10 isn't really much of a "shock and awe" type release. The closest they did ever manage to get was Longhorn, and they did actually manage to shock and awe everyone at PDC 2003, but then August 27, 2004 happened and Longhorn got trashed...
[QUOTE=wickedplayer494;48844836]Key difference: Leopard shocked and awed everyone, whereas Win10 isn't really much of a "shock and awe" type release. The closest they did ever manage to get was Longhorn, and they did actually manage to shock and awe everyone at PDC 2003, but then August 27, 2004 happened and Longhorn got trashed...[/QUOTE]
OS X Leopard is 8 years old at this point, why the comparison?
[QUOTE=wickedplayer494;48844836]Key difference: Leopard shocked and awed everyone, whereas Win10 isn't really much of a "shock and awe" type release. The closest they did ever manage to get was Longhorn, and they did actually manage to shock and awe everyone at PDC 2003, but then August 27, 2004 happened and Longhorn got trashed...[/QUOTE]
I must be out of the loop
Has anyone used surface support? Their support team is scarily friendly.
[QUOTE=ZombieDawgs;48849411]Has anyone used surface support? Their support team is scarily friendly.[/QUOTE]
Teams are different per country
but yeah
I've gotten the same guy a few times, doubt he still remembers me, but the few times we talked he did
[QUOTE=Lolkork;48841053]Seems kinda gimmicky, I can't think of many situations where not having a keyboard and stand would be beneficial. The only thing I can think of is if you're using it while standing up.[/QUOTE]
If it's anything like my lenovo yoga, it'll be really useful in classes where you have to move around a lot but need to be on a computer. It's also good for reading and [sp]porn[/sp]
[QUOTE=Talishmar;48843585]X64 processor even in tablet form? I don't know if that's new, but I'm impressed![/QUOTE]
It's been a thing for awhile. Even the Atom processors are mostly x64.
[QUOTE=ZombieDawgs;48849411]Has anyone used surface support? Their support team is scarily friendly.[/QUOTE]
Best support experience I ever had was with a very friendly Texan lady for Xbox, she knew how to get around the convoluted BS in my old console that was affecting something on PC and she was really nice and patient the whole way while I dragged hardware from literally all around my neighbourhood :v:
However the worst experience I've ever had with support was probably also Xbox when I wanted to cancel my xbox live and found out I had to call them to do it, and they kept trying to talk me out of it like I was about to commit sudoku or something
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