• Thousands Sign Petition to Not Have Kanye West Play at the Glastonbury Music Festival
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Isn't there like 5000 stages at Glastonbury, if people don't want to watch him they can go watch something else. People kicked up the same fuss a few years ago when Jay Z headlined, and I agree with the sensible response back then: get over it. Oh no people don't like the same music, whatever will we do???!
[QUOTE=Elspin;47374836]I prefer foo fighters by magnitudes, Dave Grohl is top of the line honestly. Kanye only has like 1 or two songs I enjoy and a fair number that are actually painful to listen to :v: I mean don't get me wrong Kanye's amazing for entertainment value because he's basically like Jaden Smith with an ego but I'm just not that into his music[/QUOTE] see I think Foo Fighters are just incredibly bland (and also they're aids denialists and Taylor Hawkins has been linked to antivaxx ideals) but if they were put up as the headliner I wouldn't throw a shitfit like these idiots are like Glastonbury is huge, there are hundreds of acts there, and you're gonna get mad about one?
Since the festival is so big anyway, headlining is purely a symbolic thing. It's not like it's a tiny festival where the headline act is taking up the only stage at the most important time. There's shit loads of other stuff to see while Kanye is on.
Kanye is not a bad person at all, the media blows up the stupid shit he says but never puts out the great stuff Kanye does. Where were all the headlines when Kanye hand delivered his new shoe to fans that came out to the adidas stores? Where were the stories covering Kanye when he took time out of his day to listen to amateur rappers that have approached him on the street? (he even gave jobs to some of these guys that did raps for him) Or how about when he gave away his microphone to a handicapped person at the 2014 x-games? Watch any of his recent interviews and listen to him talk, I can't stand the people that hate on the guy if they haven't even listened to the music/interviews. Here are two great interviews to watch so you can see where he is coming from. [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=QDdOi-gBYfg[/url] [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Rn0hDB6Z8k[/url]
Can someone straight-faced explain to me why Kanye is seen as a "genius in our generation"? I don't listen to him and generally assume he is a vapid celebrity, nb: I don't intend to, but having never heard people calling him a genius I'd be entertained to hear the justification. [sp] I also opened this article thinking Kanye West was the guy that beat up Rihanna [/sp]
Kind of baffled at the people here calling Kanye a genius. I personally don't see the appeal in his music. Meh.
[QUOTE=MatheusMCardoso;47374582]cultured people[/QUOTE] read: enlightened fellows
[QUOTE=Swiket;47374877]There's also a petition to make him the ONLY performer. [url]https://www.change.org/p/glastonbury-festival-cancel-all-other-performers-and-rename-the-festival-yeezus-tour[/url][/QUOTE] signed mainly because petitions are mostly dumb
[QUOTE=strayebyrd;47374885]see I think Foo Fighters are just incredibly bland (and also they're aids denialists and Taylor Hawkins has been linked to antivaxx ideals) but if they were put up as the headliner I wouldn't throw a shitfit like these idiots are like Glastonbury is huge, there are hundreds of acts there, and you're gonna get mad about one?[/QUOTE] Well, the Taylor Hawkins thing was stretching it - the organization was shady but he has family members with autism and the concert was supposed to be funding research on autism, not promoting the idea that vaccines cause it. The HIV stuff was really goofy but again it was just one of the band members that dragged them along for the ride. Either way that's the character of the members, not the music - nobody decided MJ was suddenly a shit musician because of some of the weird/creepy things he did Anyhow, I'm not "mad", because I'm not even going and even if I was I wouldn't have a huge problem with Kanye playing. I don't see a problem with people trying to get different artists to play if that's what they really want, but it's unlikely to change anything
[QUOTE=BarnacleDrive;47374905]Can someone straight-faced explain to me why Kanye is seen as a "genius in our generation"? I don't listen to him and generally assume he is a vapid celebrity, nb: I don't intend to, but having never heard people calling him a genius I'd be entertained to hear the justification. [sp] I also opened this article thinking Kanye West was the guy that beat up Rihanna [/sp][/QUOTE] His work on albums like My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy is generally seen as one of the most important hip hop records that has come out ever. The intricacies of his production and his nods to music that isn't generally heard by mainstream audiences is a big part as well. He's also a really talented designer and crafts really incredible elaborate stage shows and costumes. He's also considered one of the biggest modern cultural tastemakers. There's very little about him that's vapid if you actually pay attention to him rather than the media's portrayal, which is always trying to make him look like 'crazy Kanye'. Also I don't see the point in asking a question like that if you have no intention of listening to his music.
[QUOTE=ColdWave;47374901]Kanye is not a bad person at all, the media blows up the stupid shit he says but never puts out the great stuff Kanye does. Where were all the headlines when Kanye hand delivered his new shoe to fans that came out to the adidas stores? Where were the stories covering Kanye when he took time out of his day to listen to amateur rappers that have approached him on the street? (he even gave jobs to some of these guys that did raps for him) Or how about when he gave away his microphone to a handicapped person at the 2014 x-games? Watch any of his recent interviews and listen to him talk, I can't stand the people that hate on the guy if they haven't even listened to the music/interviews. Here are two great interviews to watch so you can see where he is coming from. [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=QDdOi-gBYfg[/url] [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Rn0hDB6Z8k[/url][/QUOTE] Huge media coverage when he jokes about taking the mic from Beck, zero media coverage when he gives his awards away
[QUOTE=Elspin;47374934]Well, the Taylor Hawkins thing was stretching it - the organization was shady but he has family members with autism and the concert was supposed to be funding research on autism, not promoting the idea that vaccines cause it. The HIV stuff was really goofy but again it was just one of the band members that dragged them along for the ride. Either way that's the character of the members, not the music - nobody decided MJ was suddenly a shit musician because of some of the weird/creepy things he did Anyhow, I'm not "mad", because I'm not even going and even if I was I wouldn't have a huge problem with Kanye playing. I don't see a problem with people trying to get different artists to play if that's what they really want, but it's unlikely to change anything[/QUOTE] the point I was trying to make is that people's main criticism of Kanye is his personality but there are people out there who are far worse than Kanye. Like he actually enjoys his own music and thinks he's good, why is that a bad thing? Also that bit about getting mad wasn't aimed at you, it was more of a royal you aimed at the people signing the petition, most of whom have never even given Hip Hop a chance probably
[QUOTE=Swiket;47374877]There's also a petition to make him the ONLY performer. [url]https://www.change.org/p/glastonbury-festival-cancel-all-other-performers-and-rename-the-festival-yeezus-tour[/url][/QUOTE] Signed.
[QUOTE=strayebyrd;47374975]the point I was trying to make is that people's main criticism of Kanye is his personality but there are people out there who are far worse than Kanye. Like he actually enjoys his own music and thinks he's good, why is that a bad thing? Also that bit about getting mad wasn't aimed at you, it was more of a royal you aimed at the people signing the petition, most of whom have never even given Hip Hop a chance probably[/QUOTE] What basis do you have for claiming that it's -just- his character though? Plenty of people just don't like his music, me included [i]mostly[/i]. But seriously the people getting mad [i]about the people getting mad[/i] are kind of being hypocritical - if it was someone like Nickelback everyone would be saying "Yeah, fuck them!". If you don't like an artist, what's the harm in requesting a different one? Think about it this way - what if there was a hypothetical situation where less than 5% of the people going wanted to see Kanye, why should he be playing then? I seriously doubt it's anywhere near that but I don't see a problem with voicing your dislike of an artist. The real problem is there's nothing stopping a bunch of people who aren't even going or thinking of going from signing :v: (see the person above me signing a petition about the concerts while living on another continent)
I think its okay, the good thing about these festivals is that they try to keep a broad range of music to cater to all peoples taste, to sign a petition to take a band away from the festival because you don't like them kind of defeats the point of glasto. It brings together people from all over the UK (and world) from a huge variety of backgrounds and ages where they can enjoy the artists they like and be introduced to new ones. If people don't like kanye then is really that hard to fuck off back to your tent for a few beers while he plays / listen to some of the other awesome acts who are no-doubt playing at the same time.
[QUOTE=Elspin;47375063]What basis do you have for claiming that it's -just- his character though? Plenty of people just don't like his music, me included [i]mostly[/i]. But seriously the people getting mad [i]about the people getting mad[/i] are kind of being hypocritical - if it was someone like Nickelback everyone would be saying "Yeah, fuck them!". If you don't like an artist, what's the harm in requesting a different one? Think about it this way - what if there was a hypothetical situation where less than 5% of the people going wanted to see Kanye, why should he be playing then? I seriously doubt it's anywhere near that but I don't see a problem with voicing your dislike of an artist. The real problem is there's nothing stopping a bunch of people who aren't even going or thinking of going from signing :v: (see the person above me signing a petition about the concerts while living on another continent)[/QUOTE] Well that's my issue, a lot of these people are just Keyboard warriors who aren't going to Glastonbury anyway And also because most people I've seen talk about it - more specifically the creator of this petition - focus on his character in attacks Also a lot of people who say they don't like his music haven't even bothered listening to a full album, when Kanye makes album music
Welp, time to go listen to MBDTF again. Seriously the guy puts on a nice big act for the media because he knows people respond to him playing that character, but as previously mentioned he gives away his awards. He takes his shit seriously because to him making music isn't just a thing he does it is what he is, he's stressed this point over and over again that he just wants folk to actually take him seriously in his art form but it just doesn't happen so what's he supposed to do? Keep at it and play the character people expect him to play while he parodies himself. But like it's also already been mentioned, if you don't like it there's nothing stopping you from walking to one of the many many other stages that will have bands on at the time, don't ruin it for the folk who actually do want to see Yeezy.
What pisses me off the most is when I saw this article on Huffpost there were comments such as "rap has no place in modern music" and generic compliments about how my generation don't listen to any "true musicians" with "real musical instruments". Clearly to these 40 year old men the only real music is another 40 year old man playing the guitar. It's such a bullshit mentality to say something isn't music because you don't like it.
Kanye is both a dick and a crap musician. Deserved.
[QUOTE=zerosix;47374869]you realise there's all kinds of shit at glastonbury right? there's quite a lot of smaller stages and tents that have a wide variety of music regardless, glastonbury is a pop music festival. kanye west is a pop arist[/QUOTE] i really don't know what glastonbury music festival is like
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[QUOTE=a dumb bear;47375253]What pisses me off the most is when I saw this article on Huffpost there were comments such as "rap has no place in modern music" and generic compliments about how my generation don't listen to any "true musicians" with "real musical instruments". Clearly to these 40 year old men the only real music is another 40 year old man playing the guitar. It's such a bullshit mentality to say something isn't music because you don't like it.[/QUOTE] while i do generally agree that there's a hypocracy in music by generations, every generation has said the next one listens to "shit", much of the rap i've heard has no structure at all and is very harsh with very little in the way of flow and continuity, objectively, it lacks much of what makes even rock music, but subjectively its all up to what each person likes, i've played classical music in band and orchestras and this comes off as just bad regardless of the lyrics.
[QUOTE=Sableye;47375379]much of the rap i've heard has no structure at all and is very harsh with very little in the way of flow and continuity, objectively, it lacks much of what makes even rock music[/QUOTE] What do you mean by structure? A lot of hip hop has a pretty standard song structure, and again a lot of it is not even close to harsh, and what the hell does the last part mean? It's not rock so it's bad?
Just tried out Kayne west's music... hated it. Try something like this: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjO1bMHbDpY[/media] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGTXF7cyJ6w[/media]
[QUOTE=nuttyboffin;47375489]Just tried out Kayne west's music... hated it. Try something like this: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjO1bMHbDpY[/media] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGTXF7cyJ6w[/media][/QUOTE] what does this have anything to do with the thread other than giving you a chance to show off your 'unique' music taste?
[QUOTE=strayebyrd;47375499]what does this have anything to do with the thread other than giving you a chance to show off your 'unique' music taste?[/QUOTE] What it has to do with, is that I keep seeing all these people like Kayne west.. their music always sounds the same, it's usually pretty crap in my opinion too. I have yet to see any festivals with these kind of bands.. anywhere. EDIT: Seriously, I bet I can find 5 artists that sound exactly like Kayne west. Wanna know why? Because pop music is piss easy to make and teenage girls lap it up. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JV2s0UIPOQY[/media]
[QUOTE=nuttyboffin;47375518]What it has to do with, is that I keep seeing all these people like Kayne west.. their music always sounds the same, it's usually pretty crap in my opinion too. I have yet to see any festivals with these kind of bands.. anywhere.[/QUOTE] Yeah and I don't see festivals that are entirely composed of Ambient Drone but I don't post about it in a thread that has nothing to do with that
Kayne West is a big name brand and rap music causes kneejerk reactions in a lot of music so he's a guy who its popular to hate before you even get to his questionable behaviour The only track of his I can remember listening to is "Power" and I actually really liked that, so I might have a better look at his music. I might like it or I might not but I'm not going to prejudge it based on it being a genre I don't usually listen to at all
[QUOTE=Sableye;47375379]while i do generally agree that there's a hypocracy in music by generations, every generation has said the next one listens to "shit", much of the rap i've heard has no structure at all and is [B]very harsh with very little in the way of flow and continuity, objectively, it lacks much of what makes even rock music[/B], but subjectively its all up to what each person likes, i've played classical music in band and orchestras and this comes off as just bad regardless of the lyrics.[/QUOTE] Wow, I don't think I've ever been triggered before, but hey first time for everything. You understand that flow and rhythm are like two absolute lynchpins of hip-hop right? Like pretty much by definition they have both of those by the bucketload. Secondly who are you to apply some objective observation at all, let alone that one art form is worse than another facet of the same art form, to something as entirely subjective as art.
[QUOTE=nuttyboffin;47375518]What it has to do with, is that I keep seeing all these people like Kayne west.. their music always sounds the same, it's usually pretty crap in my opinion too. I have yet to see any festivals with these kind of bands.. anywhere.[/QUOTE] Funny you should say that because what you posted (and ESPECIALLY the first song) can easily be mistaken for Rammstein at a glance.
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