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[QUOTE=Zyler;49050889]That's exactly what I meant, it's not a belief in anything, it's just a tool that people use. They say "I am a feminist" because it makes people listen to them, regardless of what they are actually saying. A "feminist speaker" isn't someone who argues feminist talking points, because those talking points don't actually exist, it's someone who exploits the brand name of feminism in order to garner greater credibility. You're arguing the same thing I am. All we can say that 'Feminism' means really is that it's a brand name for some kind of discussion of gender issues with some vague allusion to things like intersectionality theory, patriarchy theory and/or rape culture theory, but no one actually agrees on what those things are. My point is, it's not a single self-contained movement or anything like that, it's a mode of discussion that people refer to like a brand name in order to confer some vague sense of association with the brand or to initiate a discussion within a specific framework with a specific language used to discuss it. There's no such thing as a Mathematics movement, or a Algebra Movement or an English Literacy Movement, they're things we talk about with concepts associated with them but that people don't really advocate for. Whether or not you think a particular 'branding' is full of crap, that doesn't mean that all of the people who associate with it believe or advocate for the same thing. Mostly because a lot of people are pretty stupid and don't know what they're advocating for in the first place. That's because it technically IS newspeak, that's pretty much how all marketing and brand advertising works. They use marketing to make you associate the brand with all of the 'good things' while in reality the company could be drowning puppies or something. Google means 'comprehensive', 'efficient', 'family' while Apple means 'moving forward', 'progressive', 'environmental'. That's pretty much what the media is like nowadays, just buzzwords. It's not about being good, it's about looking good. This video demonstrates what I'm talking about: [video=youtube;2YBtspm8j8M]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YBtspm8j8M[/video] And a better explanation of what I'm talking about: [url]http://www.reasonobeysitself.com/blog/feminism/feminism-101/[/url] At this point, it's not an ideology anymore, it's a brand name. We need to be able to distinguish between people using 'feminist' the same way someone might call any form of photocopying 'xeroxing' from the people using the brand to push forward different types of ideologies such as third-wave feminism, second-wave feminism, sex-negative feminism, sex-positive feminism, gender feminism or equity feminism. I know the source I used argues the opposite, but I personally feel that I lot of people on this forum throw blame around like the equivalent of removing weeds with a flamethrower. We need to individually weed out and distinguish each individual ideology from the brand, to simply do something like change the name from 'feminism' to 'egalitarianism' wouldn't do anything but obfuscate the issue and eventually the same people who use the branding of feminism to get away with awful stuff will just jump ship and assume the new label. You need to shine a light on this people, not bury your head in the sand or attack anyone who assumes the branding, you're falling into the trap laid by the people who hid behind the brand in the first place in order to hide the fact they were doing awful things.[/QUOTE] Alright now I get what you were talking about and agree with pretty much all of the above. Thanks for elaborating.
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