South Korea enacts chemical castration law against child sexual abuse
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[QUOTE=Azur;31324971]I never said paedophiles shouldn't be punished. You're jumping to the conclusion that I condone paedophiles' actions. Chemical castration is a step too far in my eyes as to what stands as reasonable punishment.[/QUOTE]
Except once chemically castrated, they can be released from prison without suffering the worst of it, such as getting beaten and raped by prisoners themselves, released into society faster, and perhaps become a contributing member to the society? You speak as if this is a slippery slope, but South Korea isn't Libya, they're not going start to doing this to anyone but those who choose to rape people. I find this punishment more than reasonable than censoring a business. You're speaking as if they have no choice in the matter, but unless they have a gun to their head, this was entirely their choice even if they speak of the 'urge' or whatever.
[QUOTE=Kendra;31325010]But it is much cheaper for the goverment to inject a drug every few months/years into 10000~ child abusers or even just paedophiles than to educate over 10 million pairs of parents and 10 million children (speaking S. Korea specifically, numbers are guesses, especially abusers, but you get my point. Numbers would obviously be multiplied by tens to hundreds of times if we're talking about the entire capitalistic world.)[/QUOTE]
The cheapest solution isn't always the best solution.
[QUOTE=Azur;31325004]That's not what we're saying at all. Or at least, I'm sure as hell not saying that. I'm saying that the media and fashion industries are sexualising young children, and I believe that it is sick and wrong to do so.
People who are mentally unstable in ways that may lead them to become a paedophile are bound to be influenced by this in subconcious ways which may fuel their paedophillia.
This does not mean that your average joe is going to see a toddler in a tank top and instantly try to rape them.[/QUOTE]
Well, this makes a good point. One thing I've thought about alot is, pedophilia is so unethical and so hated in the world that it simply shouldn't exist. What if we started to become a bit more tolerant about it, I don't mean that we should start thinking there is nothing wrong about it, but what I mean is, what if we started showing society that those who find youngsters attractive can get therapy for it?
I mean in todays society it's so hated that anyone who is a peadophile would probably keep it in, anyone who is unstable will not tell anyone and in the end it may lead to rape.
One who rapes somebody does not do it out of pure sexual reasons, it's usually something like anger or frustration involved. Perhaps we could get people to seek help instead of forcing them to hide it.
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[QUOTE=Kendra;31325010]But it is much cheaper for the goverment to inject a drug every few months/years into 10000~ child abusers or even just paedophiles than to educate over 10 million pairs of parents and 10 million children (speaking S. Korea specifically, numbers are guesses, especially abusers, but you get my point. Numbers would obviously be multiplied by tens to hundreds of times if we're talking about the entire capitalistic world.)[/QUOTE]
But castrating them will not deal with the core problem, it's not going to stop nor even decrease the amount of rape. I don't believe it's going to 'scare' them off or anything.
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[QUOTE=lolwutdude;31325031]Except once chemically castrated, they can be released from prison without suffering the worst of it, such as getting beaten and raped by prisoners themselves, released into society faster, and perhaps become a contributing member to the society? You speak as if this is a slippery slope, but South Korea isn't Libya, they're not going start to doing this to anyone but those who choose to rape people. I find this punishment more than reasonable than censoring a business. You're speaking as if they have no choice in the matter, but unless they have a gun to their head, this was entirely their choice even if they speak of the 'urge' or whatever.[/QUOTE]
A prison where they get beat by other prisoners and such is not a good prison.
[QUOTE=Azur;31325004]That's not what we're saying at all. Or at least, I'm sure as hell not saying that. I'm saying that the media and fashion industries are sexualising young children, and I believe that it is sick and wrong to do so.
People who are mentally unstable in ways that may lead them to become a paedophile are bound to be influenced by this in subconcious ways which may fuel their paedophillia.
This does not mean that your average joe is going to see a toddler in a tank top and instantly try to rape them.[/QUOTE] Paedophilia isn't a mental problem, it's a fetish. Wanting to rape someone, no matter who they are, is a mental problem.
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;31325042]A prison where they get beat by other prisoners and such is not a good prison.[/QUOTE]
Sorry if I end up going into a stereotype here, but isn't that like most of the US prisons?
[QUOTE=Kendra;31325091]Sorry if I end up going into a stereotype here, but isn't that like most of the US prisons?[/QUOTE]
Probably, but their whole justice system and prison mangement isn't exacly the best.
[QUOTE=lolwutdude;31324792]He can still piss.[/QUOTE]Also, you keep saying this and I have no idea what you mean.
[QUOTE=Nerts;31325072]Paedophilia isn't a mental problem, it's a fetish. Wanting to rape someone, no matter who they are, is a mental problem.[/QUOTE]
To be fair though, wanting to rape someone can be a fetish too.
I say we do like a "To Catch a Predator" type thing and just broadcast every single sex offender's face across national news, while making fun of them.
I think that'd be great, and would definitely stop people from being sex offenders.
:wink:
[QUOTE=Kendra;31325101]To be fair though, wanting to rape someone can be a fetish too.[/QUOTE]
But nobody would actually do that just because it's a fetish. I don't know if you could call a fetish a mental problem though...
[QUOTE=Collin665;31325104]I say we do like a "To Catch a Predator" type thing and just broadcast every single sex offender's face across national news, while making fun of them.
I think that'd be great, and would definitely stop people from being sex offenders.
:wink:[/QUOTE]
I hope you're joking, else you can be classified as stupid.
[QUOTE=Kendra;31325101]To be fair though, wanting to rape someone can be a fetish too.[/QUOTE]Wanting to inflict serious harm on another person is not healthy in the slightest.
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;31325112]But nobody would actually do that just because it's a fetish.[U] I don't know if you could call a fetish a mental problem though...[/U][/QUOTE]
It's kind of a thin line there, but it also would probably depend on the fetish.
Foot fetish to just say something could still be classified as "normal minded", while something like a furry could be more classified as "mental problem" since a human shouldn't want to have sex with a dog, for example.
[QUOTE=Kendra;31324813]Can you really blame a girl in her single digit years for wearing something that everyone is saying is "in/hip/cool"? She'd rather wear whatever is "in" than be left out, and this applies to most people at all ages, but some ignorant, and not yet intelligent girl is left without even the ability to make a choice.
Also, if I have to choose between two evils, I'd much rather choose the one that involves not allowing the media to corrupt young minds than because of this corruption going on [corruption is a strong word, but it gets the point across], that in 20 years you are forced by someone else, unwillingly, to have your entire bodily mechanism altered because of something you most likely can't help.[/QUOTE]
I get your point. But at the same time I've never seen small children wear revealing clothing as you describe. If I would see a child of 6 year old wear miniskirt, then the first one I would put the blame on is the parents, because of their irresponsibility and then the media, because it's they that have planted the idea into the child's head.
If I had to pick, I would pick the option that does not censor, but promotes the ability to think independently and know what they think is wrong and what they think is bad. Of course you would need a parental figure by your side.
I agree with you that things are being way more sexualised the last 10-20 years and that it affects young people in a bad way.
Simple solution that doesn't censor the media or castrate people would according to me be, school uniforms, education to parents, TV-programs about the matter (which I think already exists).
[QUOTE=Swebonny;31325129]I get your point. But at the same time I've never seen small children wear revealing clothing as you describe. If I would see a child of 6 year old wear miniskirt, then the first one I would put the blame on is the parents, because of their irresponsibility and then the media, because it's they that have planted the idea into the child's head.
If I had to pick, I would pick the option that does not censor, but promotes the ability to think independently and know what they think is wrong and what they think is bad. Of course you would need a parental figure by your side.
I agree with you that things are being way more sexualised the last 10-20 years and that it affects young people in a bad way.
Simple solution that doesn't censor the media or castrate people would according to me be, school uniforms, education to parents, TV-programs about the matter (which I think already exists).[/QUOTE]
Yeah, it's obviously not as bad as I make it out to be, but it seems to be heading that direction. I seeit quite a bit in Spain, and Spain is one of the less developed first world countries, and it's impossible to predict how it'll be in 10-15 years.
Also, to your last point, again, takes more money away from the goverment which they'd rather avoid at all cost.
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[QUOTE=Nerts;31325117]Wanting to inflict serious harm on another person is not healthy in the slightest.[/QUOTE]
But is having a fetish [I]truly[/I] healthy/normal?
[QUOTE=Kendra;31325149]But is having a fetish [I]truly[/I] healthy/normal?[/QUOTE]
You'd have to go down what a fetish actually is and means, and draw a line between preferables and fetishes.
[QUOTE=Kendra;31325149]But is having a fetish [I]truly[/I] healthy/normal?[/QUOTE]That's the same logic people classify homosexuality as a mental illness by, normal is not the same as healthy, unhealthy is anything that harms yourself or others, which a fetish on it's own does not.
[QUOTE=Nerts;31325176]That's the same logic people classify homosexuality as a mental illness by, not normal is not the same as unhealthy, unhealthy is anything that harms yourself or others.[/QUOTE]
Healthy isn't only defined by physical stability, but also by mental stability, and nobody knows if a fetish is caused by a wrong synapse or if it's just intelligence+sexuality going on a new tangent.
[QUOTE=Kendra;31325127]It's kind of a thin line there, but it also would probably depend on the fetish.
Foot fetish to just say something could still be classified as "normal minded", [b]while something like a furry could be more classified as "mental problem" since a human shouldn't want to have sex with a dog, for example.[/b][/QUOTE]
I'd like to point out here that furries generally don't want to have sex with ACTUAL animals. It's a fetish for anthropomorphic cartoon drawings and people wearing catsuits, bascically.
People who screw horses are into [b]Beastiality[/b].
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[QUOTE=MrJazzy;31325042]schnip[/QUOTE]
It truly is refreshing and nice to see a reasonable guy like you posting here on FP :)
Oh, you're Swedish. I guess that explains it! :v:
[QUOTE=Collin665;31324765]If you're going through puberty at six you probably have a hormone disorder, and you should still be able to control yourself as you grow older. I am attracted to regularly aged people, does that mean I go and rape them? No. If I was attracted to 6 year olds, I wouldn't rape them either, especially because of society's view on the matter. And don't say its because regularly aged people are available to me, because thats not the case either. I don't actively seek out sex in the first place.
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Just read this, you don't have to go through puberty to be sexually attracted to someone else, especially with the oversexualisation of the media and how normal it has been made out to be to have a boy/girlfriend.
Because it's so taboo, and therefore hard to impossible to have sex with a minor, you start building up sexual frustration which you need to release, but legally, morally and ethically can't. So eventually, you just can't handle it anymore, essentially torture, and you go out to have sex with a minor.
Lack of self control? Maybe, but I'm fairly sure if you were told you could never have sex with even a consenting adult, but you still had the urge to have sex, you'd feel compelled to do so too, even though it wouldn't be right.
By no way am I saying rape is right by the way, I'm just saying why someone would do it.
[QUOTE=Kendra;31325269]Just read this, you don't have to go through puberty to be sexually attracted to someone else, especially with the oversexualisation of the media and how normal it has been made out to be to have a boy/girlfriend.
Because it's so taboo, and therefore hard to impossible to have sex with a minor, you start building up sexual frustration which you need to release, but legally, morally and ethically can't. So eventually, you just can't handle it anymore, essentially torture, and you go out to have sex with a minor.
Lack of self control? Maybe, but I'm fairly sure if you were told you could never have sex with even a consenting adult, but you still had the urge to have sex, you'd feel compelled to do so too, even though it wouldn't be right.
By no way am I saying rape is right by the way, I'm just saying why someone would do it.[/QUOTE]Which is why I think owning and distributing child porn should be legal, so they can fap to that instead of raping a kid. Making child porn obviously should be illegal as fuck, but watching a recording doesn't hurt anyone and might prevent someone getting to the point where they do harm a child.
[QUOTE=Nerts;31325301]Which is why I think owning and distributing child porn should be legal, so they can fap to that instead of raping a kid. Making child porn obviously should be illegal as fuck, but watching a recording doesn't hurt anyone and might prevent someone getting to the point where they do harm a child.[/QUOTE]
Making watching it legal would probably just increase the manifacture of it. And you can't exactly easily stop it, just like the manufacture of hard drugs, regardless of its illegality; and all you end up doing is making the cycle bigger and more severe.
[QUOTE=Nerts;31325301]Which is why I think owning and distributing child porn should be legal, so they can fap to that instead of raping a kid. Making child porn obviously should be illegal as fuck, but watching a recording doesn't hurt anyone and might prevent someone getting to the point where they do harm a child.[/QUOTE]
But that's very illogical. If it's legal to watch child porn, it would contribute to making child porn.
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You shouldn't be sexually attracted to children. You should seek help and get therapy for it, but in todays society nobody would ever dare to do so.
[QUOTE=Kendra;31325338]Making watching it legal would probably just increase the manifacture of it. And you can't exactly easily stop it, just like the manufacture of hard drugs, regardless of its illegality; and all you end up doing is making the cycle bigger and more severe.[/QUOTE]I doubt very many people pay for child porn when you can get it for free of the internet, they're already doing something very questionable so it's not like they're going to have a problem going around shady torrent and streaming sites.
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[QUOTE=MrJazzy;31325373]But that's very illogical. If it's legal to watch child porn, it would contribute to making child porn.[/QUOTE]I think the release it'd give most paedophiles would help far more than the few making more of it would hinder. And I'm talking about the drawn stuff too when I say "child porn" there's no good reason why that's illegal.
[QUOTE=Nerts;31325389]I doubt very many people pay for child porn when you can get it for free of the internet, they're already doing something very questionable so it's not like they're going to have a problem going around shady torrent and streaming sites.[/QUOTE]
People would pay for it just as much as people pay for normal porn, and it doesn't matter if it's free or not, it will still encourage the production of child porn.
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To imagine sex with minors is wrong IMO, so watching minors have sex or whatever is wrong aswell.
If you need to watch porn to stop yourself from raping someone, it's only a matter of time.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;31325429]If you need to watch porn to stop yourself from raping someone, it's only a matter of time.[/QUOTE]
This. Legalizing the ownage of child porn isn't going to prevent people from raping minors.
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There is alot more involved in raping minors than just pure sexdrive.
[QUOTE=Nerts;31325301]Which is why I think owning and distributing child porn should be legal, so they can fap to that instead of raping a kid. Making child porn obviously should be illegal as fuck, but watching a recording doesn't hurt anyone and might prevent someone getting to the point where they do harm a child.[/QUOTE]
Legalising material like this would be the worst thing to do. I really doubt it'd stop people from grooming and abusing kids, in fact it'd probably cause it to happen even more.
Actually this does sound a pretty good thing. The side effects though..You shouldn't force anyone to take drugs with terrible side effects.
But besides that, it would help on both sides. If they lose their appetite then the problem is fixed in a somewhat harmless and respectful way.
I think you should [url=http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=913013]read this[/url], it shows pretty convincingly that having porn readily available makes rape a lot less common.
Here's one of the graphs from it, porn started becoming available around 1972, and the number dives pretty sharply once the internet was easily accessible.
[img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5636656/porn%20vs%20rape.png[/img]
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