South Korea enacts chemical castration law against child sexual abuse
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[QUOTE=MrJazzy;31326051]Well, if we had some statistics we could see how many children are in porn and how many children are raped.[/QUOTE]
I doubt there's actually statistics of the amount of child pornographic videos.
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[QUOTE=Nerts;31326056]Do .wmv files have souls all of a sudden? The only part of child porn that harms children is the making of it, and that already happens.[/QUOTE]
If people watch CP there's a demand for the videos, thus indirectly causing more videos to be created and therefore indirectly causing more child abuse.
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;31326057]If the demand of child porn would rise, there would obviously be alot more child porn. And if more people would watch child porn, the demand would rise.[/QUOTE]
That is all speculations.
[QUOTE=Kendra;31326059]I doubt there's actually statistics of the amount of child pornographic videos.[/QUOTE]
Yeah probably :v:
Anyways, child porn is child abuse because the child is being used for making porn, even if the child would want it, it's still a child that can't really decide what is best for itself.
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[QUOTE=Sherow_Xx;31326070]That is all speculations.[/QUOTE]
So is pretty much everything you've said. What I said there is just completely logical.
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Instead of satisfying peadophiles sexual drive, we should try to get rid of it.
It is an assumptious to say that the demand for child porn has anything to do with how much is being produced. Nobody knows exactly why child pornographers do what they do, but they aren't going to be getting any financial support from the people that watch their child porn, so there's no real reason for them to meet the demands of their audience.
[QUOTE=Sherow_Xx;31326070]That is all speculations.[/QUOTE]
A rise in demand causing there to be more supply is extremely logical, obvious and evident.
Again, the act of creating cp is serious child abuse, but unless someone viewing the cp has paid for it and funded further child abuse, then they haven't contributed to the abuse.
[QUOTE=Sherow_Xx;31326093]It is an assumptious to say that the demand for child porn has anything to do with how much is being produced. Nobody knows exactly why child pornographers do what they do, [B]but they aren't going to be getting any financial support from the people that watch their child porn, [/B]so there's no real reason for them to meet the demands of their audience.[/QUOTE]
You're most likely be quite wrong.
Also CP producers are usually interested in it themselves, so if it's suddenly legal to produce, why not do it?
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;31326072]So is pretty much everything you've said. What I said there is just completely logical.
[editline]25th July 2011[/editline]
Instead of satisfying peadophiles sexual drive, we should try to get rid of it.[/QUOTE]I don't think you can "cure" fetishes and the like, it's not entirely the same thing but people who go through those "ex-gay" programs to try and become straight have a habit of becoming suicidal or depressed.
[QUOTE]So is pretty much everything you've said. What I said there is just completely logical.
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There is no evidence that there would be more child porn if the demand was bigger. Child pornographers gain nothing from doing it, so they are probably just satisfying their own urges by doing it. And if that is the case, they would still be doing it even if nobody in the world wanted to see it.
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Instead of satisfying peadophiles sexual drive, we should try to get rid of it.[/QUOTE]
That would be brilliant if we could. Thing is, we have tried and failed, and we've already got evidence that changing people's sexuality (no matter how immoral/disgusting/deviant) is incredibly hard at best, and impossible at worst.
Just make victim-less porn like drawn loli and shota legal and the problem is solved.
These do not require victims are are only fictional.
[QUOTE=Nerts;31326122]I don't think you can "cure" fetishes and the like, it's not entirely the same thing but people who go through those "ex-gay" programs to try and become straight have a habit of becoming suicidal or depressed.[/QUOTE]
Mostly because those programmes are extremely inhumane though.
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[QUOTE=Simski;31326128]Just make victim-less porn like drawn loli and shota legal and the problem is solved.
These do not require victims are are only fictional.[/QUOTE]
There's a reason the porn industry is much bigger than the hentai industyr.
[QUOTE=Kendra;31326138]Mostly because those programmes are extremely inhumane though.[/QUOTE]
And more importantly for this discussion, it doesn't work. It doesn't work on homosexuals, and it wont work on pedophiles either. Are people really still going through ex-gay programs? -.-
[QUOTE=Nerts;31326122]I don't think you can "cure" fetishes and the like, it's not entirely the same thing but people who go through those "ex-gay" programs to try and become straight have a habit of becoming suicidal or depressed.[/QUOTE]
I'm not saying they should get therapy for their sexuality, I'm saying they should get therapy for their other problems and issues that cause them to do the things they do. As I said before I don't think it's the sex that drives them towards abusing minors.
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[QUOTE=Sherow_Xx;31326160]And more importantly for this discussion, it doesn't work. It doesn't work on homosexuals, and it wont work on pedophiles either. Are people really still going through ex-gay programs? -.-[/QUOTE]
It's something completely different trying to change someones sexuality (homo to hetero) than to change the age group they sexually target.
[QUOTE=Sherow_Xx;31326160]And more importantly for this discussion, it doesn't work. It doesn't work on homosexuals, and it wont work on pedophiles either. Are people really still going through ex-gay programs? -.-[/QUOTE]
There was this reddit post that got mass attention of a girl who went through one of these last year that described the horrors.
And yes, it still happens. Mostly in the Christian-dominated States of the US though, where ignorance is incredibly prevalent.
What I'm saying is they're not targeting minors the same way we're targeting the other sex. They don't ask minors out to date or so, do they?
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;31326163]I'm not saying they should get therapy for their sexuality, I'm saying they should get therapy for their other problems and issues that cause them to do the things they do. As I said before I don't think it's the sex that drives them towards abusing minors.[/QUOTE]
Speculations again. I do think you're right, though, that a person who takes their pedophilia so far as to molest children and even film it and put it on the internet, are probably struggling with a lot of problems that lead them down that path.
So perhaps you are right on that point. Perhaps those people arent even pedophiles at all, but have just been lead down a dark path for whatever strange reasons we don't know anything about...
[QUOTE]It's something completely different trying to change someones sexuality (homo to hetero) than to change the age group they sexually target.[/QUOTE]
No it's not. You just can't change what people find attractive, whether it be a certain type of body, age, shoe, rug, color, world, hair style. You just can't change people's preferences.
Extremely hard at best, impossible at worst.
Well, everything in this thread is speculations, I don't see why you keep pointing that out. It's not like anyone is coming here with a factual opinion or antyhing.
[QUOTE=Kendra;31326138]There's a reason the porn industry is much bigger than the hentai industyr.[/QUOTE]
Well why remove the non-harmful option for those who like it, and make it so they'll be punished as much as for using the option that requires victims?
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;31326183]What I'm saying is they're not targeting minors the same way we're targeting the other sex. They don't ask minors out to date or so, do they?[/QUOTE]
Maybe they would if they were allowed to?
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;31326207]Well, everything in this thread is speculations, I don't see why you keep pointing that out. It's not like anyone is coming here with a factual opinion or antyhing.[/QUOTE]
Oh alright, then I'm sorry. I guess I was just assuming that you thought of your speculations as facts. As long as you agree that they aren't facts and therefore [I]could[/I] be wrong, I'll be fine with it.
[quote=Kendra]Lets use some made up numbers.
Lets say out of 1000 paedophiles, 250 will rape once and 50 will rape twice.
That is 300 victims.
Now lets say, 100 of these to-be-rapists decide to watch different child pornographic videos instead of actually raping.
That is still 200 victims.[/quote]
To provide more accurate numbers: (Everything is based on the US, unknown exactly how that correlates to South Korea)
About 84,000 child sex abuse cases were reported (corrected somewhat to compensate for underreporting), and a conservative estimate puts 3% of the population as pedophiles - that's roughly 9,000,000 people in the US. That's about a bit less than 1% liklihood for a pedophile to actually rape a child in a given year.
So, for you 1000 example, only 10 would rape.
Same-crime Recidivism rates of sex offenses is around 5.3% (for all crimes it tends to be from 3-15%, with sex offenses being the low end).
With that, in your example, only 1 would rape again.
Now, would less strict laws about viewing child porn compensate for ~1.1% rape rates among that population? Is it even morally right to consider this in such cold terms?
About 40% committed the second crime within a year, which would indicate a serious mental defect in my opinion, something that probably isn't affected by castration. Further, since only ~5% do rape again, chemical castration would also seem to be a pretty severe punishment, as its goal is deterrence of an already small population.
Sources: (Note: Wikipedia provides sources for this information)
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_sexual_abuse#United_States_and_Europe[/url]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape#Statistics[/url]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia#Prevalence_and_child_molestation[/url]
Did anybody else think the procedure was going to involve pouring harsh chemicals onto their ballsacks? I just saw fight club again.
[QUOTE=Simski;31326227]Well why remove the non-harmful option for those who like it, and make it so they'll be punished as much as for using the option that requires victims?[/QUOTE]
Yeah, but you can't say that pleasing 5-15% is a solution to the problem.
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[QUOTE=Thy Reaper;31326251]wall of info[/QUOTE]
Why did you edit my numbers in the quote?
Because you said 250+50 = 350, and that 350-100=350 originally.
Also, I can't seem to edit my own posts, or reply to other's posts. Nothing happens. What's up with that?
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Oh, I see now. I misinterpreted the 'rape twice' portion. Doesn't change my wall of text, though.
250+(50·2) = 350 [2 since there might be 50 who rape twice]
250+(100 that are victims from CP videos) = 350
That's really simple math
Same problem here; can't reply to posts or edit, and the reply box at the bottom of the page is taking ages to load.
I also didn't notice the 'different videos' portion. But really, 100 videos for every 1000 pedophiles, and only 10 viewings per video on average? I imagine some of the CP producers are pedophiles themselves, and multiple-rapists, so you're counting a lot of things twice.
[QUOTE=Kendra;31326336]250+(50·2) = 350 [2 since there might be 50 who rape twice]
250+(100 that are victims from CP videos) = 350
That's really simple math[/QUOTE]Watching the video doesn't harm anyone, every time someone faps to child porn isn't another victim.
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;31325653]Castrating rapists and then just throwing them out in society would probably have horrible outcomes. There is much more than just sexual reasoning behind raping someone, and taking away their sexuality would only cause them to get more angry and frustrated at society and the world and it could end up im massmurder, shootouts and terror attacks.[/QUOTE]
I am pretty sure rapist do it for kicks and because they are pushed by their sexual desires.
Taking away the sexual desire is a pretty good option and i am sure not all offenders want to keep that bad behavior up. You should probably see rapists/abusers as people with too little self control in that particular field. If taking a pill a day keeps the children at bay, then it might be for the better of both sides.
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[QUOTE=Nerts;31326414]Watching the video doesn't harm anyone, every time someone faps to child porn isn't another victim.[/QUOTE]
I think that's a very important role lolicon has.
[QUOTE=sami-elite;31326427]I am pretty sure rapist do it for kicks and because they are pushed by their sexual desires.
Taking away the sexual desire is a pretty good option and i am sure not all offenders want to keep that bad behavior up. You should probably see rapists/abusers as people with too little self control in that particular field. If taking a pill a day keeps the children at bay, then it might be for the better of both sides.[/QUOTE]The drugs the use for this have serious side effects and can easily kill people susceptible to it, if you sentence someone to taking them it could be a death sentence.
[QUOTE=Nerts;31326414]Watching the video doesn't harm anyone, every time someone faps to child porn isn't another victim.[/QUOTE]
But it's still 1 victim
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