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[QUOTE=sami-elite;31326427]I am pretty sure rapist do it for kicks and because they are pushed by their sexual desires. Taking away the sexual desire is a pretty good option and i am sure not all offenders want to keep that bad behavior up. You should probably see rapists/abusers as people with too little self control in that particular field. If taking a pill a day keeps the children at bay, then it might be for the better of both sides.[/QUOTE] But really no, they don't rape people for the 'kicks'. I don't think you'd rape children just because you'd find them attractive, you're mentally stable (or atleast I'll assume so). [editline]25th July 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Kendra;31326553]But it's still 1 victim[/QUOTE] And this, it's still a victim. Do you seriously believe the rapists haven't fapped to children already before raping them?
Lemme just clear something up. Earlier we were talking about that: if child pornography was legal, demands would rise, and there would therefore be more child pornography. (Implied: There would be more child sex abuse) Am I right? I found this image laying around, but I'm not sure how much credibility it has. To be honest, I don't know how to find such statistics. Does anyone happen to know? [img]http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/812/crimstat.jpg[/img] Anyways, this is supposedly the statistics of child sexual abuse cases that occured after pornography was made legal in Denmark 1969. If this statistic is to be believed, it supports the belief that legalizing child porn would not lead to a rise in child sex abuse, but rather it would act as an outlet.
Even if it's true, it's like fighting crime with crime. [editline]25th July 2011[/editline] What we are forgetting here is; let's say making child porn is illegal in the US, but watching is legal, right? Then they'd just watch porn made in countries were child porn is legal. Basically you'd just have more child porn come to the US.
We obviously can't effectively fight child sex abuse right now, so if allowing viewing reduces overall crime, it seems like the best option for now.
[QUOTE=Kendra;31326553]But it's still 1 victim[/QUOTE] A victim is going to stay a victim (until help arrives), whether some person faps to it or not.
[QUOTE=Kendra;31324771]So a psychopath is at fault for murdering or harming another man? His synapses have been altered in such a way that he can't determine if what he is doing is right or wrong. It's not his conscious fault, rather his subconscious, and uncontrollable, problem that is influencing him in the way he acts.[/QUOTE] Psychopaths have no problem telling right from wrong, they just don't care.
[QUOTE=Thy Reaper;31326746]We obviously can't effectively fight child sex abuse right now, so if allowing viewing reduces overall crime, it seems like the best option for now.[/QUOTE] No there are ways to fight it; Put rapists in prison and [B]rehabilitate[/B] them.
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;31326701]Even if it's true, it's like fighting crime with crime.[/QUOTE] Uh, yeah, but I think watching child pornography is better than molesting a child. [QUOTE]What we are forgetting here is; let's say making child porn is illegal in the US, but watching is legal, right? Then they'd just watch porn made in countries were hild porn is legal.[/QUOTE] I believe it is legal to posess child pornography in Japan. They probably do it that way. But it has still lead to fewer child sex abuse cases. And isn't that the overall goal?
I still think it's horrible to allow child porn to exist when there are other ways of fighting it.
[QUOTE=Kendra;31326261]Yeah, but you can't say that pleasing 5-15% is a solution to the problem.[/QUOTE] It may not be the solution to the problem, but it's a damn good start. If there is an alternative that is legal and doesn't hurt anybody, then at least some of them will use it.
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;31326779]No there are ways to fight it; Put rapists in prison and [B]rehabilitate[/B] them.[/QUOTE] That is what we're doing. It just doesn't work. We already know that you can't change people's sexualities. Perhaps you are right that rehabilitating them would help, but evidence suggests that giving access to something reduces the crimes that are going on in relation to it. (For example the Volstead act; when alcohol was prohibited, the crimes around alcohol went on the rise. Same goes for Marijuana. And I theorize that it works similarly for child pornography. Put very simply: if you want to reduce the amounts of something, make it legal.)
[QUOTE=Sherow_Xx;31326831]That is what we're doing. It just doesn't work. We already know that you can't change people's sexualities. Perhaps you are right that rehabilitating them would help, but evidence suggests that giving access to something reduces the crimes that are going on in relation to it. (For example the Volstead act; when alcohol was prohibited, the crimes around alcohol went on the rise. Same goes for Marijuana. And I theorize that it works similarly for child pornography. Put very simply: if you want to reduce the amounts of something, make it legal.)[/QUOTE] As I've said a million times already, It's not the sexuality that makes people rape other people! And you tried to compare changing someone from going from being homosexual to hetero sexual to someone going from liking children to liking women in their own age. [editline]25th July 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Sherow_Xx;31326831](For example the Volstead act; when alcohol was prohibited, the crimes around alcohol went on the rise. Same goes for Marijuana. And I theorize that it works similarly for child pornography. Put very simply: if you want to reduce the amounts of something, make it legal.)[/QUOTE] Alchohol has always been legal, child porn has not. And what do you even mean with that last sentence?
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;31326807]I still think it's horrible to allow child porn to exist when there are other ways of fighting it.[/QUOTE] I think that if it helps prevent children from being harmed, even just a tiny bit, then it is worth it.
[QUOTE=Sherow_Xx;31326862]I think that if it helps prevent children from being harmed, even just a tiny bit, then it is worth it.[/QUOTE] I think we should work toward protecting all children rather than [B]use children[/B] to protect the majority.
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;31326779]No there are ways to fight it; Put rapists in prison and [B]rehabilitate[/B] them.[/QUOTE]Except that relies on them actually raping a kid first, anything that stops them doing it in the first place is better.
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;31326845]As I've said a million times already, It's not the sexuality that makes people rape other people! And you tried to compare changing someone from going from being homosexual to hetero sexual to someone going from liking children to liking women in their own age.[/QUOTE] It's the exact same thing, only one of these sexualities aren't socially acceptable because it has victims. You can't "fix" pedophiles in the same way you can't "fix" homosexuals, it's a sexuality and they're stuck with it no matter if they like it or not.
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;31326845]As I've said a million times already, It's not the sexuality that makes people rape other people! And you tried to compare changing someone from going from being homosexual to hetero sexual to someone going from liking children to liking women in their own age.[/QUOTE] I think sexuality plays a large role in it, but I must admit I don't know for sure. And yes I did, I think the process of changing a homosexual into a heterosexual and the process of changing a pedophile into a heterosexual is pretty damn similar. Even if pedophiles have a lot more reasons to change, they're still not able to. [QUOTE]Alchohol has always been legal, child porn has not. And what do you even mean with that last sentence?[/QUOTE] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volstead_Act[/url] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prohibition[/url] EDIT: I mean what I said. When alcohol was legalized, the rate of crimes that was related to alcohol fell dramatically. If marijuana was legalized, the same will happen. And I theorize that if child pornography was legalized, child sex abuse would happen less frequently.
If someone is willing to risk the punishment for raping a child, then why wouldn't they risk watching child porn?
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;31326881]I think we should work toward protecting all children rather than [B]use children[/B] to protect the majority.[/QUOTE] But making child pornography would still be illegal. We would not stop trying to catch and punish those who makes them. But what is done is done, so if that could be used to prevent further abuse, then why not? So we wouldn't be using or abusing children "for the greater good", we would just be using whatever we already have, because it can help lessen any future crimes.
[QUOTE=Mingebox;31326907]If someone is willing to risk the punishment for raping a child, then why wouldn't they risk watching child porn?[/QUOTE] This is true, but it's still no reason to allow child porn. Legalising child porn (Wich is basically what you do if you legalise watching and ownage of porn) would only make it appear all over the internet on normal porn sites and stuff, it would basically become available for many more than just the sex offenders and people would get into the stuff. [editline]25th July 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Sherow_Xx;31326959]But making child pornography would still be illegal. We would not stop trying to catch and punish those who makes them. But what is done is done, so if that could be used to prevent further abuse, then why not?[/QUOTE] No, we should work toward removing child porn that is on the internet.
[QUOTE=Sherow_Xx;31326649]Lemme just clear something up. Earlier we were talking about that: if child pornography was legal, demands would rise, and there would therefore be more child pornography. (Implied: There would be more child sex abuse) Am I right? I found this image laying around, but I'm not sure how much credibility it has. To be honest, I don't know how to find such statistics. Does anyone happen to know? [img]http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/812/crimstat.jpg[/img] Anyways, this is supposedly the statistics of child sexual abuse cases that occured after pornography was made legal in Denmark 1969. If this statistic is to be believed, it supports the belief that legalizing child porn would not lead to a rise in child sex abuse, but rather it would act as an outlet.[/QUOTE] It would be fine if it weren't for the fact that the child in the video is being abused.
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;31326960]This is true, but it's still no reason to allow child porn. Legalising child porn (Wich is basically what you do if you legalise watching and ownage of porn) would only make it appear all over the internet on normal porn sites and stuff, it would basically become available for many more than just the sex offenders and people would get into the stuff. [/QUOTE] No, I was saying that if someone cared little enough for consequences to go out and rape a child, then why would have child porn being illegal stopped them?
[QUOTE=Sherow_Xx;31326959]But making child pornography would still be illegal. We would not stop trying to catch and punish those who makes them. But what is done is done, so if that could be used to prevent further abuse, then why not? So we wouldn't be using or abusing children "for the greater good", we would just be using whatever we already have, because it can help lessen any future crimes.[/QUOTE] It's a bit hypocritical to say it's ok to view it but illegal to make when you're trying to remove child pornography from society. If child porn was removed from society paedophiles would be without porn any way.
[QUOTE=Mingebox;31326999]No, I was saying that if someone cared little enough for consequences to go out and rape a child, then why would have child porn being illegal stopped them?[/QUOTE] Yeah I know what you meant but I also thought you was suggesting legalising child porn aswell. I know it's not gonna stop those who do watch child porn that much, but legalising sure isn't gonna help the cause.
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;31326960]This is true, but it's still no reason to allow child porn. Legalising child porn (Wich is basically what you do if you legalise watching and ownage of porn) would only make it appear all over the internet on normal porn sites and stuff, it would basically become available for many more than just the sex offenders and people would get into the stuff.[/QUOTE] Again, if it helped prevent kids from being abused, I say fair trade. [QUOTE]No, we should work toward removing child porn that is on the internet.[/QUOTE] Okay, but I can assure you that task is nigh impossible. America tried removing alcohol from existance in 1920, and the number of alcohol selling stores doubled very quickly. Now they are trying to remove marijuana from existance, and the effects are largely the same. Despite having pumped money into this project of purging it from existance, it has failed hilariously hard. ([url]http://www.facepunch.com/threads/1107644-Massive-marijuana-field-discovered[/url]) And here's a few sources for anyone interested enough. I haven't read them closely yet, so I wont make any claims about what it supports or how credible it is. For all I know it could be disproving what I'm trying to say... [url]http://www.hawaii.edu/PCSS/biblio/articles/2005to2009/2009-pornography-acceptance-crime.html[/url] [url]http://www.hawaii.edu/PCSS/biblio/articles/1961to1999/1999-effects-of-pornography.html[/url]
[quote=carcarcargo]It's a bit hypocritical to say it's ok to view it but illegal to make when you're trying to remove child pornography from society. If child porn was removed from society paedophiles would be without porn any way.[/quote] We only have so many police resources. Spending time catching people who merely view the porn takes resources away from solving other crimes, such as those making the porn, or otherwise actually raping kids. Jailing those people is also very expensive, and takes that individual out of society, even when they were not otherwise harming it. So while, if there's some existential goal of removing all crime immediately, it is hypocritical, I don't think that's the goal many of us have for now. I would prefer if all the harm in the world were gone, but we can't get there right now. We have to take the least harmful option until we see a better one that actually works.
[QUOTE=Thy Reaper;31327084]We only have so many police resources. Spending time catching people who merely view the porn takes resources away from solving other crimes, such as those making the porn, or otherwise actually raping kids. Jailing those people is also very expensive, and takes that individual out of society, even when they were not otherwise harming it. So while, if there's some existential goal of removing all crime immediately, it is hypocritical, I don't think that's the goal many of us have for now. I would prefer if all the harm in the world were gone, but we can't get there right now. We have to take the least harmful option until we see a better one that actually works.[/QUOTE] While I don't think police should be looking for those who view child porn I don't want it to become easily accessable.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;31327003]It's a bit hypocritical to say it's ok to view it but illegal to make when you're trying to remove child pornography from society. If child porn was removed from society paedophiles would be without porn any way.[/QUOTE] Hm. Well, maybe it is hypocritical, but here is why I don't think so: Viewing child pornography hurts nobody. The child in the video / picture has already been hurt, and nothing can be done about that unless you possess a TARDIS. Making child pornography however, requires you to victimize another child. Unless of course the child pornography is drawn, animated or uses actors that just [I]look[/I] young, in which case no child is being victimized, and thus should be a-okay. (and should probably be encouraged over actual child pornography) And I think if child pornography was purged from existance, but pedophiles were not; we would be seeing a lot more child abuse.
[QUOTE=Sherow_Xx;31327063]Again, if it helped prevent kids from being abused, I say fair trade. Okay, but I can assure you that task is nigh impossible. America tried removing alcohol from existance in 1920, and the number of alcohol selling stores doubled very quickly. Now they are trying to remove marijuana from existance, and the effects are largely the same. Despite having pumped money into this project of purging it from existance, it has failed hilariously hard. ([url]http://www.facepunch.com/threads/1107644-Massive-marijuana-field-discovered[/url]) And here's a few sources for anyone interested enough. I haven't read them closely yet, so I wont make any claims about what it supports or how credible it is. For all I know it could be disproving what I'm trying to say... [url]http://www.hawaii.edu/PCSS/biblio/articles/2005to2009/2009-pornography-acceptance-crime.html[/url] [url]http://www.hawaii.edu/PCSS/biblio/articles/1961to1999/1999-effects-of-pornography.html[/url][/QUOTE] Don't even try to bring the "sacrifice one for the good of many" argument into this, we should try to eliminate all child porn and abuse, impossible or not. You can't compare it to marijuana either since that only harms the user.
[QUOTE=Sherow_Xx;31327063]Again, if it helped prevent kids from being abused, I say fair trade. Okay, but I can assure you that task is nigh impossible. America tried removing alcohol from existance in 1920, and the number of alcohol selling stores doubled very quickly. Now they are trying to remove marijuana from existance, and the effects are largely the same. Despite having pumped money into this project of purging it from existance, it has failed hilariously hard. ([url]http://www.facepunch.com/threads/1107644-Massive-marijuana-field-discovered[/url]) And here's a few sources for anyone interested enough. I haven't read them closely yet, so I wont make any claims about what it supports or how credible it is. For all I know it could be disproving what I'm trying to say... [url]http://www.hawaii.edu/PCSS/biblio/articles/2005to2009/2009-pornography-acceptance-crime.html[/url] [url]http://www.hawaii.edu/PCSS/biblio/articles/1961to1999/1999-effects-of-pornography.html[/url][/QUOTE] A perfect society is impossible, doesn't mean we should just give up and stop all laws. Completely stopping murder is impossible, completely stopping theft is impossible, we should still work toward completely stop and remove it.
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