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[quote=MrJazzy]While I don't think police should be looking for those who view child porn I don't want it to become easily accessable.[/quote] It's a detested thing by society, so it'll never become 'easily accessible.' At least no more than anything is on the internet.
[QUOTE=Sherow_Xx;31327103]Hm. Well, maybe it is hypocritical, but here is why I don't think so: Viewing child pornography hurts nobody. The child in the video / picture has already been hurt, and nothing can be done about that unless you possess a TARDIS. Making child pornography however, requires you to victimize another child. Unless of course the child pornography is drawn, animated or uses actors that just [I]look[/I] young, in which case no child is being victimized, and thus should be a-okay. (and should probably be encouraged over actual child pornography) And I think if child pornography was purged from existance, but pedophiles were not; we would be seeing a lot more child abuse.[/QUOTE] Again if you let people watch it, they are technically supporting the production of it.
[QUOTE=Sherow_Xx;31327103]Hm. Well, maybe it is hypocritical, but here is why I don't think so: Viewing child pornography hurts nobody. The child in the video / picture has already been hurt, and nothing can be done about that unless you possess a TARDIS. Making child pornography however, requires you to victimize another child. Unless of course the child pornography is drawn, animated or uses actors that just [I]look[/I] young, in which case no child is being victimized, and thus should be a-okay. (and should probably be encouraged over actual child pornography) And I think if child pornography was purged from existance, but pedophiles were not; we would be seeing a lot more child abuse.[/QUOTE] It does hurt the one in the video because the whole reason behind making the video was for you to watch the video. Basically, you're contributing to it as it is being made if you're going to watch.
If people want proper rehabilitation, this is quite acceptable.
[QUOTE=Thy Reaper;31327117]It's a detested thing by society, so it'll never become 'easily accessible.' At least no more than anything is on the internet.[/QUOTE] Oh there are alot of 'legal' things thare are hated or silently untolerated by society that is on the internet.
Yes, but using methods that don't work would be working against that goal when there are methods out there that does the job better... [QUOTE=carcarcargo;31327108]You can't compare it to marijuana either since that only harms the user.[/QUOTE] So does child porn unless you're actually making it. And yes, you can compare [I]anything[/I] to [I]anything[/I], some things just have less in common than others.
[QUOTE=Sherow_Xx;31327147]Yes, but using methods that don't work would be working against that goal when there are methods out there that does the job better... So does child porn unless you're actually making it. And yes, you can compare [I]anything[/I] to [I]anything[/I], some things just have less in common than others.[/QUOTE] Erm no, it hurts the child and encourages a larger production of it.
[QUOTE=Sherow_Xx;31327147]Yes, but using methods that don't work would be working against that goal when there are methods out there that does the job better... So does child porn unless you're actually making it. And yes, you can compare [I]anything[/I] to [I]anything[/I], some things just have less in common than others.[/QUOTE] No, because in the making of marijuana no child is being hurt, while in the making of child porn, a child is. [editline]25th July 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Sherow_Xx;31327147]Yes, but using methods that don't work would be working against that goal when there are methods out there that does the job better...[/QUOTE] What do you mean doesn't work? Rehabilitation works, I'm just not seeing it happen, as in, I'm not seing anyone being rehabilitated.
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;31327129]It does hurt the one in the video because the whole reason behind making the video was for you to watch the video. Basically, you're contributing to it as it is being made if you're going to watch.[/QUOTE] Please do not pretend to know why these people do what they do. The people who does this gain virtually nothing from making it, nobody is giving them anything for it. So my theory is that they are doing it for their own pleasure, and that they enjoy having other people watch it. In short, he would be doing it even if nobody was watching.
[QUOTE=Sherow_Xx;31327210]Please do not pretend to know why these people do what they do. The people who does this gain virtually nothing from making it, nobody is giving them anything for it. So my theory is that they are doing it for their own pleasure, and that they enjoy having other people watch it. In short, he would be doing it even if nobody was watching.[/QUOTE] Supply and demand, I can assure you if more people watch it more of it will be made.
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;31327031]Yeah I know what you meant but I also thought you was suggesting legalising child porn aswell. I know it's not gonna stop those who do watch child porn that much, but legalising sure isn't gonna help the cause.[/QUOTE]Personally, I think the punishment should be lighter, because given the current penalties, I'd rather be put to death than become a sex offender.
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;31327168]No, because in the making of marijuana no child is being hurt, while in the making of child porn, a child is.[/QUOTE] Emphasis on making. Producing marijuana: no victim Producing child porn: victim Consuming marijuana: no victim Consuming child porn: no victim [QUOTE]What do you mean doesn't work? Rehabilitation works, I'm just not seeing it happen, as in, I'm not seing anyone being rehabilitated.[/QUOTE] They don't? I thought people were being rehabilitated. What exactly do you mean when you say we should have rehabilitating? And to be honest I dont know how it works now. Right now we jail them and assign them to mental therapy, do we not?
[QUOTE=Sherow_Xx;31327210]Please do not pretend to know why these people do what they do. The people who does this gain virtually nothing from making it, nobody is giving them anything for it. So my theory is that they are doing it for their own pleasure, and that [B]they enjoy having other people watch it[/B]. In short, he would be doing it even if nobody was watching.[/QUOTE] There you said it, they enjoy when people watch it. So if more people watch it more is going to be made. You can compare it to making let's plays on youtube. The people making it is not gaining anything from it but they like when people watch their videos. And when more people watch videos and such, more people are gonna make more let's plays.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;31327239]Supply and demand, I can assure you if more people watch it more of it will be made.[/QUOTE] Are you sure? How does supply and demand exist when there is nothing in it for the creator? [QUOTE=MrJazzy;31327273]There you said it, they enjoy when people watch it. So if more people watch it more is going to be made. You can compare it to making let's plays on youtube. The people making it is not gaining anything from it but they like when people watch their videos. And when more people watch videos and such, more people are gonna make more let's plays.[/QUOTE] Welp, you're right. But making child pornography would still be illegal and would take a lot more than making let's play videos. It still requires you to break the law, but I suppose you are right. But on the other hand, as mentioned by someone earlier, if we didn't spend our resources trying to catch and jail people who posess child porn, we'd have more to spend on catching the producers. But let's play videos are more about the fame, aknowledgement and positive feedback, is it not? What I said I meant more like a voyeuristic fetish.
[QUOTE=Sherow_Xx;31327258]They don't? I thought people were being rehabilitated. What exactly do you mean when you say we should have rehabilitating? And to be honest I dont know how it works now. Right now we jail them and assign them to mental therapy, do we not?[/QUOTE] I'm not saying that they don't do it, but I have never had it confirmed that they do rehab the prisoners.
[QUOTE=Sherow_Xx;31327279]Are you sure? How does supply and demand exist when there is nothing in it for the creator?[/QUOTE] He gets views, which is what eh wanted, more views, more reason to produce, plus people could start selling it on the black market.
IMO if people manage to get cp somewhere and are not producing or distributing it, then it's kinda pointless to arrest people for it. As long as there's no evidence that watching cp makes people a whole lot more likely to sexually abuse a child, I don't see the big deal
[QUOTE=BrQ;31327314]IMO if people manage to get cp somewhere and are not producing or distributing it, then it's kinda pointless to arrest people for it. As long as there's no evidence that watching cp makes people a whole lot more likely to sexually abuse a child, I don't see the big deal[/QUOTE] Because the viewing and even buying of it encourages the production of it.
[QUOTE=BrQ;31327314]IMO if people manage to get cp somewhere and are not producing or distributing it, then it's kinda pointless to arrest people for it. As long as there's no evidence that watching cp makes people a whole lot more likely to sexually abuse a child, I don't see the big deal[/QUOTE] Nor do I think anybody should be arrested for watching, but they should certainly be warned and if they continue they should be arrested, perhaps also offered or forced therapy upon.
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;31327338]Nor do I think anybody should be arrested for watching, but they should certainly be warned and if they continue they should be arrested, perhaps also offered or forced therapy upon.[/QUOTE] Huh, if you don't think they should be arrested, does that not mean you're for decriminalizing it?
[QUOTE=Sherow_Xx;31327354]Huh, if you don't think they should be arrested, does that not mean you're for decriminalizing it?[/QUOTE] He said they should be sent to therapy, so it would be illegal but rather than being sent to jail you get mental help i.e rehabilitation
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;31327333]Because the viewing and even buying of it encourages the production of it.[/QUOTE] simply viewing a picture does not create a demand. that's not how the internet works. requesting more creates a demand
[QUOTE=Sanius;31327381]simply viewing a picture does not create a demand. that's not how the internet works. requesting more creates a demand[/QUOTE] You don't think there would be requestions if it was legalised?
[quote=carcarcargo]He gets views, which is what eh wanted, more views, more reason to produce, plus people could start selling it on the black market.[/quote] This isn't quite the same as making youtube videos. He can't just go and fetch another child whenever he feels like it, rape the child, send out the video, and then nothing happens to him. If he's pulling random kids off the street, there will be a manhunt when a pattern is noticed. If it's a family member he effectively controls, demand probably won't affect how much he produces. There may be an increase in production if it's made legal to view. However, if it drops the total number of child rapes, then the overall goal is a success. Consider it this way: Illegal to view, 1000 kids are raped in making CP, 83,000 are raped by individuals with no production goals. Legal to view: 5000 kids are raped in making CP, 50,000 are raped by individuals. If this is even vaguely accurate in any way (which various graphs indicates it very well could be), legalizing the viewing could dramatically reduce total incidence of rape.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;31327374]He said they should be sent to therapy, so it would be illegal but rather than being sent to jail you get mental help i.e rehabilitation[/QUOTE] Hmm. I think I can agree with that~
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;31327406]You don't think there would be requestions if it was legalised?[/QUOTE] what?
[QUOTE=Sanius;31327414]what?[/QUOTE] It sounded like you were for legalising child porn.
[QUOTE=Thy Reaper;31327407]This isn't quite the same as making youtube videos. He can't just go and fetch another child whenever he feels like it, rape the child, send out the video, and then nothing happens to him. If he's pulling random kids off the street, there will be a manhunt when a pattern is noticed. If it's a family member he effectively controls, demand probably won't affect how much he produces. There may be an increase in production if it's made legal to view. However, if it drops the total number of child rapes, then the overall goal is a success. Consider it this way: Illegal to view, 1000 kids are raped in making CP, 83,000 are raped by individuals with no production goals. Legal to view: 5000 kids are raped in making CP, 50,000 are raped by individuals. If this is even vaguely accurate in any way (which various graphs indicates it very well could be), legalizing the viewing could dramatically reduce total incidence of rape.[/QUOTE] The kids aren't just pulled off the street, most of them are victims of human traffickings.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;31327333]Because the viewing and even buying of it encourages the production of it.[/QUOTE] I never meant to say that buying cp should be legal. Watching it hardly encourages it. Imagine you made a picture, someone gets the picture from you and it gets very secretly distributed across the world. How on earth are you supposed to know that people really enjoyed the picture and want more from it?
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;31327445]The kids aren't just pulled off the street, most of them are victims of human traffickings.[/QUOTE] Most child sex abuse happens in the family.
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