To Protect His Son suffering from Leukemia, A Father Asks School To Bar Unvaccinated Children
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[QUOTE=Stiffy360;47033289]You know, it might be smarter for him just to homeschool his child rather than send to public school.
Seriously, I got sick way less often after ditching the school system. (plus you can regulate your activities and exposure)[/QUOTE]
Why should he drop a proper education just because some asshole parents won't vaccinate their kids. All schools should require 100% of their staff and students to be vaccinated
[QUOTE=Mio Akiyama;47033345]Why should he drop a proper education just because some asshole parents won't vaccinate their kids. All schools should require 100% of their staff and students to be vaccinated[/QUOTE]100%? Doesn't that mean his kid is not eligible to go to school since he can't be a part of 100%?
[QUOTE=itisjuly;47033353]100%? Doesn't that mean his kid is not eligible to go to school since he can't be a part of 100%?[/QUOTE]
you know damn well what I mean.
[QUOTE=Mio Akiyama;47033359]you know damn well what I mean.[/QUOTE]
Kinda but not really. If you mean exceptions, what about other kids that can't be vacced? It doesn't take many to get ill.
[QUOTE=KOS-MOS;47033192]You also need to show proof of immunization when you're applying for college too in Texas. I had to get this specific vaccine that I never heard of (I forgot the name) or else the college won't accept me.[/QUOTE]
Pretty sure that was MMR. Your uni wasn't alone, I had to dig up my records and go on a quest to find a fax machine (they wouldn't accept an email).
Funny how it's required for university but if you want to trash your entire high school with deadly diseases it's perfectly fine...
[QUOTE=Mio Akiyama;47033345]Why should he drop a proper education just because some asshole parents won't vaccinate their kids. All schools should require 100% of their staff and students to be vaccinated[/QUOTE]
I'm just saying you'd reduce your risk even further from getting even the common cold which there is no vaccine for. And homeschooling is just as valid of an education as public school. If not even more so in some cases due to the fact that the parent really cares about the child getting the education.
So one healthy kid is denied a public school education due to maybe just free minded parents who may suspect that vaccines could be harmful. Where as the allowed continuation of public education of a clearly unhealthy kid (due to his and family's responsibility) should be a no brainier. The kid has no real hope to be healthy, the society hes in doest really value health. Why does he even need an education if he may spend half his life on Meds and chemotherapy courses and took sick to work, seriously.
[QUOTE=Lui2112;47033637]So one healthy kid is denied a public school education due to maybe just free minded parents who may suspect that vaccines could be harmful. Where as the allowed continuation of public education of a clearly unhealthy kid (due to his and family's responsibility) should be a no brainier. The kid has no real hope to be healthy, the society hes in doest really value health. Why does he even need an education if he may spend half his life on Meds and chemotherapy courses and took sick to work, seriously.[/QUOTE] "why do the disadvantaged need the same rights as the rest of us" -lui2112
You knew who else believed that? The fucking Nazis. Good work
Are you seriously suggesting that due to poor health the kid should not be allowed to have an education?
[QUOTE=Megadave;47025319]The government should have no say in medical background.[/QUOTE]
You're at the Jaden Smith level of idiocy. Just stop.
[QUOTE=Kyle902;47034052]"why do the disadvantaged need the same rights as the rest of us" -lui2112
You knew who else believed that? The fucking Nazis. Good work[/QUOTE]
Not defending him because I agree with what you're trying to say, but was Godwinning really necessary?
Yeah, if someone's Children fear needles, they should sit down next to them, tell the nurse to just pinch them with a needle and put on a zero-fucks poker face.
That's because children tend to reinforce their fear after they get hurt due to being so incredibly tense (which makes the needle hurt ten times more)
Advice coming a from 19 year old who had to be held down by 3 nurses when he had 12 years.
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[QUOTE=Lui2112;47033637]So one healthy kid is denied a public school education due to maybe just free minded parents who may suspect that vaccines could be harmful. Where as the allowed continuation of public education of a clearly unhealthy kid (due to his and family's responsibility) should be a no brainier. The kid has no real hope to be healthy, the society hes in doest really value health. Why does he even need an education if he may spend half his life on Meds and chemotherapy courses and took sick to work, seriously.[/QUOTE]
You stupid fuck wit...
Your whole life is based around chemicals and artificial stuff. Even wondered what your food went through?
Here's a pro tip: Go the Brazilian Rainforest, seeing that you are incredibly strong and ubermensch without a single thing. Naked.
Good luck, punk.
The righteousness in this thread is overwhelming.
I was not vaccined for religious reasons when I was a kid. I got sick with so many fucked up illnesses, that we didn't even know what they were. I survived though, and now I rarely get sick, maybe once a year. Yeah it's probably best to vaccinate your kids.
But muh vax duh muh child guhv ohtizm
I've never heard of any drunk drivers justifying their actions by arguing that people die in car accidents not involving alcohol; that's the anti-vax thinking that some "parents" are using to justify bringing back potentially deadly diseases and putting their children and others at risk, including infants, the elderly and people with immunodeficiencies or on chemo.
Their freedom of choice must be annulled once it harms others. That's how democracy should work, you can't just think for yourself, but for others too equally.
[QUOTE=itisjuly;47033380]Kinda but not really. If you mean exceptions, what about other kids that can't be vacced? It doesn't take many to get ill.[/QUOTE]
The difference is that those who want to get their children vaccinated but can't for medical reasons often make it a point to ensure that their children are not exposed to potential sources for infection. Anti-vaccination nutjobs often don't care, thinking that their children will grow up strong and healthy if they fall sick more.
Not to be cynical but I get the feeling that's he's pro-vaccine and is using his son for politics.
The kid has leukemia, a school is not going to be a safe enviornment for him regardless.
He should be homeschooled, not dependent on a school full of kids not having germs.
[QUOTE=MoonlessNight;47036381]Not to be cynical but I get the feeling that's he's pro-vaccine and is using his son for politics.
The kid has leukemia, a school is not going to be a safe enviornment for him regardless.
He should be homeschooled, not dependent on a school full of kids not having germs.[/QUOTE]
I get the feeling you don't understand how hard both working and homeschooling your dying kid must be
[QUOTE=MoonlessNight;47036381]Not to be cynical but I get the feeling that's he's pro-vaccine and is using his son for politics.[/QUOTE]
Oh boy, he is using his dying child for politics. Do you also know all those parents with their kids in a coma because of drunk driving? well, obviously those parents are just using their children for politics too, right?
He wants to keep his freaking son alive and not be killed by some disease that was supposed have died off if it wasnt for other peoples stupidity. Thats not being political, that's called being a father.
[QUOTE=AlphaAGENT;47034573]Not defending him because I agree with what you're trying to say, but was Godwinning really necessary?[/QUOTE]
Its not godwin if its a valid comparison
[QUOTE=MoonlessNight;47036381]Not to be cynical but I get the feeling that's he's pro-vaccine and is using his son for politics.
The kid has leukemia, a school is not going to be a safe enviornment for him regardless.
He should be homeschooled, not dependent on a school full of kids not having germs.[/QUOTE]
There's a big difference between "just some germs" and "measles", the latter of which can kill healthy, un-vaccinated people, nevermind a kid with leukaemia.
Also what kind of political stand-point is "pro-vaccine" anyway? "[I]I think we should keep doing this thing which has been saving millions of lives for years and years[/I]." You shouldn't [B]have[/B] to campaign [B]for[/B] vaccines.
If anti-vaxxers weren't a thing, we wouldn't even be having this argument. Hell, it shouldn't even be an argument in the first place!
[QUOTE=Kyle902;47034052]"why do the disadvantaged need the same rights as the rest of us" -lui2112
You knew who else believed that? The fucking Nazis. Good work[/QUOTE]
"Why do we distinguish people expressing a freedom of choice, and forcing people who are[I] clearly[/I] doing wrong"-Kyle902
Forcing a kid to do something he may not want to do or alienating him. Making [I]him [/I] disadvantaged, with no education is the same concept of evil. That's what the nazis did. Force people.
[QUOTE=Lui2112;47039721]"Why do we distinguish people expressing a freedom of choice, and forcing people who are[I] clearly[/I] doing wrong"-Kyle902
Forcing a kid to do something he may not want to do or alienating him. Making [I]him [/I] disadvantaged, with no education is the same concept of evil. That's what the nazis did. Force people.[/QUOTE]
The difference being that the nazi's forced people into gas chambers. Forcing kids to get vaccinated literally has no detriments. Unless you consider stopping early childhood death a detriment.
[QUOTE=Octopod;47026260]
it's like drunk driving: people do it because they thought it was a good idea at the time for whatever reason, not with the intention to kill people. this is not to disagree that either can potentially kill people.[/QUOTE]
And yet you still get a murder charge levied against you if you're drunk and kill someone with the car you're not supposed to be driving. Negligent Homicide is usually the go-to, sometimes Vehicular Homicide or Vehicular Manslaughter.
It was on my local news. Apparently they already accommodated the kid by removing the non-vaccinated children from the classroom. The father wants them to remove all of the non-vaccinated children from the school. There are 90 known cases of Measles in California now. Two high schools sent home all of their non-vaccinated kids for something like 21 days because a child was suspected of having measles.
[QUOTE=Jitterz;47040903]It was on my local news. Apparently they already accommodated the kid by removing the non-vaccinated children from the classroom. The father wants them to remove all of the non-vaccinated children from the school. There are 90 known cases of Measles in California now. Two high schools sent home all of their non-vaccinated kids for something like 21 days because a child was suspected of having measles.[/QUOTE]
For context, before this antivax shit started, the CDC expected to see around 30 cases of measles, nationwide, PER YEAR. Here we are with triple that in California alone in the first fucking month. We've got a long way to get out of 2015.
Measles is making a comeback and it's the fault of selfish deluded cunts.
80 years ago these people would be laughed out of their communities. Fuck Andrew Wakefield so hard.
[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;47041419]For context, before this antivax shit started, the CDC expected to see around 30 cases of measles, nationwide, PER YEAR. Here we are with triple that in California alone in the first fucking month. We've got a long way to get out of 2015.
Measles is making a comeback and it's the fault of selfish deluded cunts.
80 years ago these people would be laughed out of their communities. Fuck Andrew Wakefield so hard.[/QUOTE]
My son just barely turned old enough to get his measles vaccine. I live right in the thick of the shit too.
There is a Dr. in L.A. refusing to see non-vaccinated patients. I didn't think it was worth it's own thread figured here is a good place.
[URL="http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/national_world/2015/01/30/doctors-refuse-to-see-unvaccinated-patients.html"]Link[/URL]
Apparently it isn't just because they risk spreading to patients that are unable to be vaccinated but also because the anti-vaccine people he has dealt with led to a toxic relationship between parent and Dr.
[QUOTE=Kyle902;47040116]The difference being that the nazi's forced people into gas chambers. Forcing kids to get vaccinated literally has no detriments. Unless you consider stopping early childhood death a detriment.[/QUOTE]
Forcing them into gas chambers is still forcing. You want to prove me wrong by using the must extreme example. Forcing a child who does not want a vaccination and removing his education with a group of students who are vaccinated. Apart from one who made himself to sick enough so he can't even get a vaccination.
You don't know vaccinations have zero negative effects on the body and so forth in the great picture.
It's just sick kid worshipping. The questions should be how can we cure him of cancer. Not start forcing kids and tell them what they have to take and what they can't experience like it's... Nazi Germany.
[QUOTE=Lui2112;47041946]Forcing them into gas chambers is still forcing. You want to prove me wrong by using the must extreme example. Forcing a child who does not want a vaccination and removing his education with a group of students who are vaccinated. Apart from one who made himself to sick enough so he can't even get a vaccination.[/QUOTE]
A child doesn't know any better, it's the parents who are supposed to.
[QUOTE=Lui2112;47041946]Forcing them into gas chambers is still forcing. You want to prove me wrong by using the must extreme example. Forcing a child who does not want a vaccination and removing his education with a group of students who are vaccinated. Apart from one who made himself to sick enough so he can't even get a vaccination.
You don't know vaccinations have zero negative effects on the body and so forth in the great picture.
It's just sick kid worshipping. The questions should be how can we cure him of cancer. Not start forcing kids and tell them what they have to take and what they can't experience like it's... Nazi Germany.[/QUOTE]
I can't really see where you're going with this. You're probably a troll, and I'll give you my main reason for thinking that.
You haven't really been replying to arguments, you've been inserting your own strawmen into everything and fighting those and ignoring anything that might be difficult to do that with.
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