• To Protect His Son suffering from Leukemia, A Father Asks School To Bar Unvaccinated Children
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[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;47055099]Honestly, you've been playing semantics with every post rather than replying to serious arguments that put serious holes in whatever you think you're arguing for. If you don't want to be minsconstured, don't write yourself into a situation where you can be. Be clear, concise, and stop pussyfooting around when people call you out and instead focusing on that they're the assholes for calling you out.[/QUOTE] I'm not here to argue. I'm here to post my experiences, thoughts and opinions. People tried to argue I was "wrong". Essentially about us not being apart of nature still despite our reliance on it and our repercussions of it, like disease. Nature is and always will be the intelligent, and wise creator. Man will always play second fiddle to it. My point was vaccines aren't the ultimate solution, and that we should listen to our constant bombardment of health issues in our societies of our lack of wisdom of true health. Instead of seeing it as a way to further resist nature with stronger chemical and go to war with it. Yes moronic means foolish, or stupid. Replying to someone's posts in intent to engage them in debate with them, to prove them wrong, but incorrectly [I]assuming[/I] facets about him to socially degrade him, is moronic. That's what you've done.
[QUOTE=Lui2112;47059232]I'm not here to argue. I'm here to post my experiences, thoughts and opinions. People tried to argue I was "wrong". Essentially about us not being apart of nature still despite our reliance on it and our repercussions of it, like disease. [/QUOTE] Yes we're part of nature and we're no less part of nature with how we interact with it now. Disease isn't proof we're doing something wrong. When people tell you what we're doing now to combat it is the best we've ever managed, you ignore that and say they're wrong. That IS you arguing and that IS you stating something that is factually untrue and unfounded. What we used to see with disease, and what disease has done to this world before(it once wiped out all but 3% or so of existence in the form of bacteria that emitted sulfur fumes) is not happening anymore, what we see with what humans are afflicted with has gotten better with technology, not worse as you argue. Yes, you argue that. [QUOTE]Nature is and always will be the intelligent, and wise creator. Man will always play second fiddle to it. My point was vaccines aren't the ultimate solution, and that we should listen to our constant bombardment of health issues in our societies of our lack of wisdom of true health. [/QUOTE] First off, nature isn't intelligent, it's not an entity or a thing, it's an ecosystem, and it's all encompassing, we can't escape being part of "Nature" even if we tried, which we haven't. We've simply used our technology and efforts to make life better for us in every way imaginable. Secondly, vaccines aren't argued to be an ultimate solution but they're an integral part of disease destruction. You clearly don't understand the concept of what vaccines do. They limit the number of carriers it has available, it creates a situation that can, and does starve disease out limiting them from their evolutionary potential, locking them out of ecosystems they require to grow and change. That's what vaccines DO. Not can, or will, that's what they have done for us. [QUOTE]Instead of seeing it as a way to further resist nature with stronger chemical and go to war with it.[/QUOTE] We're using nature and unlocking natures secrets to become stronger, we're using a deeper and greater understanding of the world than ever before to see our problems ahead of time and react before we need to. Nature is chemical, nature is physics and biology and chemistry in action. Nature is nothing but that. [QUOTE]Yes moronic means foolish, or stupid. Replying to someone's posts in intent to engage them in debate with them, to prove them wrong, but incorrectly [I]assuming[/I] facets about him to socially degrade him, is moronic. That's what you've done.[/QUOTE] What you have done is half ass your statements towards anyone who questions you, making open comments and open statements and flat out saying what is true and what is not. That is the definition of an argument and you are not exactly saying what you mean when you say what you say. You cannot and should not expect others to see through your own misplaced words and then blame them for doing that. When you make a statement saying you regularly forgo showers for weeks, you make a statement meaning that you commit yourself to a behavior similar to the one described. In your case, you have essentially stated that "I don't shower more than a few times every few weeks at most.", while you maintain that this is clean and hygienic and you have a strong immune system for it, this is not evidence of anything in terms of why you might have a strong immune system. There is a lot to be left desired from your posting habbits and your constant passive aggressive manner of posting isn't helping build sympathy with anyone so that they might try to see your points.
Haha this guys pming me and leaving messages on my profile. I'm not gonna teach you how to post better or why you're wrong. People here have said enough and you still drive the point about vaccines being against disease and nature. We're not animals, humans use their intelligence to improve themselves. If you think it's natural for the average lifespan to be at 30 go ahead and keep telling yourself medicine is against nature. And don't give me that bullshit about "reliance on medicine" because medicinal abuse and normal vaccinations + medication are two different things.
[QUOTE=Lui2112;47053284]I haven;t purposed any scientific methods for not getting sick. I just shared some opinions and my [I]anecdotal[/I] experiences. Look if shamanism and faith healing work try it. [/quote] The difference being that shamanism and faith healing have never and WILL never work??? [quote] Who's the [I]we[/I]. I'm for vaccines and science for vaccinations. Vaccines work for now as our best medical option, but in the "foreseeable future". Maybe something else would do better. [/quote] Well then why are you arguing with the people that you agree with? [quote] I ignore hygienic and sanitary practices, but I never stated that. I alluded that their were periods were I didn't shower for weeks. You choose not to ask me why that is, but are assuming it was because i'm a "nasty" person? [/quote] That's pretty fucking gross. Hell by not showering and all that you put those around you at risk too. [quote] I didn't say there was a no medical reason for being vaccinated. I am vaccinated. I'm all for vaccines. Why are you telling me the same thing twice. Well we can conclude that vaccines aren't the solution because that'd be bulletproof. That was my entire point we need to look beyond vaccines. [/quote] Look beyond vaccines to what precisely? [quote] My solution would to be on human overall health. More specifically the [I]immune[/I] system, and making do what it's supposed to do. Something i do myself, with diet, lifestyle, and other factors.[/quote] Your immune system doesn't suddenly become godly because you didn't shower. Hell having a healthy immune system is [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cytokine_storm"]PRECISELY[/URL] why some disease kill you rather then make you sick. [editline]1st February 2015[/editline] [quote] It's because people follow mainstream articles, news, and never question stuff. You can tell because being sick, having cancer. It's seen as a social norm, instead of a grave catalyst to examine ourselves and change.[/QUOTE] This statement is completely incomprehensible. Seriously what ARE you trying to say?
[QUOTE]The difference being that shamanism and faith healing have never and WILL never work???[/Quote] Well you don't know that. Anything what works is a variable solution. [quote]Well then why are you arguing with the people that you agree with?[/quote] Well i don't get that. One poster assumed i was a anti-vaxxer, and tried to make a joke. Of better posting quality is comparable with anti-vaxxers. My very first post Is stated I'm all for vaccines. [quote]That's pretty fucking gross. Hell by not showering and all that you put those around you at risk too.[/quote] I shower regularly like everyone else. Don't call it gross. It sounds as if your insecure about your primitive nature. A pretty almost exclusive part of what make people smell is the types of foods they ingest. [Quote]Look beyond vaccines to what precisely? [/quote] The[I] immune[/I] system. Lifestyles, diets, and certain environmental reasons like chemicals. [Quote]Your immune system doesn't suddenly become godly because you didn't shower. Hell having a healthy immune system is [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cytokine_storm"]PRECISELY[/URL] why some disease kill you rather then make you sick.[/Quote] I never stated that, because I didn't shower once my immune system become godly. Healthy immune system is [I]immunity[/I] against disease [quote]This statement is completely incomprehensible. Seriously what ARE you trying to say?[/QUOTE] There's communities all a round the world from Faith healing to people following diets and lifestyles and reversing/curing some of societies most feared health conditions. If you find cancer a social norm, and there is no cure. You'll watch programs, read news, listen to people what reinforce that world view.
[QUOTE=Lui2112;47066059]Well you don't know that. Anything what works is a variable solution. Well i don't get that. One poster assumed i was a anti-vaxxer, and tried to make a joke. Of better posting quality is comparable with anti-vaxxers. My very first post Is stated I'm all for vaccines. I shower regularly like everyone else. Don't call it gross. It sounds as if your insecure about your primitive nature. A pretty almost exclusive part of what make people smell is the types of foods they ingest. The[I] immune[/I] system. Lifestyles, diets, and certain environmental reasons like chemicals. I never stated that, because I didn't shower once my immune system become godly. Healthy immune system is [I]immunity[/I] against disease There's communities all a round the world from Faith healing to people following diets and lifestyles and reversing/curing some of societies most feared health conditions. If you find cancer a social norm, and there is no cure. You'll watch programs, read news, listen to people what reinforce that world view.[/QUOTE] Right fuck this I'm done being pleasant. [B][U]IF SHAMANISM AND FAITH HEALING WORKED DO YOU KNOW WHAT THEY WOULD BE CALLED? MEDICINE.[/U][/B] Also what the fuck are you talking about with cancer as a social norm, do you even fucking understand what cancer actually is? THE IMMUNE SYSTEM IS NOT PERFECT, IN FACT IT CAN BE YOUR ABSOLUTE WORST ENEMY AT TIMES. [B]YOU ARE ALSO NOT IMMUNE TO DISEASE[/B] OF ANY VARIATION WITHOUT THAT IMMUNITY BEING CONFERRED TO YOU THROUGH EITHER GENETIC LINEAGE OR VACCINATION, [B][U]THESE ARE THE PRIMARY METHODS OF TRANSFERRING IMMUNITY.[/U][/B] Not showering is fucking disgusting man, there's no two ways about that, it's the sort of shit that helps spread disease, same idea as not washing your clothes and coughing in peoples faces. Also you meant to use the viable not variable. And seriously now, stop arguing, you're wrong on literally every point and you refuse to see it because, as I've mentioned before, you're either retarded or clinically retarded and can't understand a single thing about health, medicine and apparently hot water bathing.
[QUOTE=Lui2112;47066059]Well you don't know that. Anything what works is a variable solution.[/QUOTE] Yeah actually we do cause these tests can literally be done in your own home. You don't even need a scientific study done to even prove any of that shit doesn't work because the methods had no scientific basis other than belief of remedy. [QUOTE=Lui2112;47066059] Well i don't get that. One poster assumed i was a anti-vaxxer, and tried to make a joke. Of better posting quality is comparable with anti-vaxxers. My very first post Is stated I'm all for vaccines. [/quote] Oh my god the fact that you're still salty about this is hilarious. [QUOTE=Lui2112;47066059] I shower regularly like everyone else. Don't call it gross. It sounds as if your insecure about your primitive nature. A pretty almost exclusive part of what make people smell is the types of foods they ingest. [/quote] Pretty much every mammal with a nose knows to stay away from stinky bugs and animals. How is it insecure to detract from things that smell like shit when all animals do it? He'd be more in tune with nature than you with habits like that. [QUOTE=Lui2112;47066059] The[I] immune[/I] system. Lifestyles, diets, and certain environmental reasons like chemicals.[/QUOTE] Christ man do you even know how the immune systems works? If you're struck with a disease you're either fighting it off, left crippled or dead. Why limit your own healing to your immune when vaccines and medicine circumvent symptoms and after-effects? All this shit you say about nature is ironic because you've abandoned human nature to imitate another.
[QUOTE=Lui2112;47066059]Well you don't know that. Anything what works is a variable solution.[/QUOTE] There has NEVER been a situation where faith healing has worked. Never has a credible study shown that it has worked. Meanwhile we have thousands of studies that tell us the effectiveness of modern medicine. [quote] Well i don't get that. One poster assumed i was a anti-vaxxer, and tried to make a joke. Of better posting quality is comparable with anti-vaxxers. My very first post Is stated I'm all for vaccines. [/quote] Probably because your posts are nigh-incomprehensible. [quote] I shower regularly like everyone else. Don't call it gross. It sounds as if your insecure about your primitive nature. A pretty almost exclusive part of what make people smell is the types of foods they ingest.[/quote] No, what makes you fucking smell is the sweat and dead shit that builds up on your skin. I also dont give a shit if you eat roses and daisies. You're still going to smell like shit if you dont take care of yourself. [/quote] [quote] The[I] immune[/I] system. Lifestyles, diets, and certain environmental reasons like chemicals.[/quote] Your immune system does not make you IMMUNE to disease. Are you just going to ignore the whole cytokine storm thing I posted? Or what about contracting an immunodeficiency disorder like HIV? Your immune system doesn't exactly help if its the precise system being targeted by disease. [quote] I never stated that, because I didn't shower once my immune system become godly. Healthy immune system is [I]immunity[/I] against disease[/quote] lmao what the hell? Not showering does not give you magic disease resistance. There is a distinct cause and effect relationship between hygiene and illness. Why the hell do you think third world countries with no running water are breeding grounds for illness? Hell by your logic third world countries should be the health capitals of the world! [quote] There's communities all a round the world from Faith healing to people following diets and lifestyles and reversing/curing some of societies most feared health conditions. [/quote] And none of these communities have EVER been proven to work by ANYONE. This mentality is dangerous. [quote] If you find cancer a social norm, and there is no cure. You'll watch programs, read news, listen to people what reinforce that world view.[/quote] Cancer is a social norm? What the hell do you think cancer is? A fashion trend?
[QUOTE]Right fuck this I'm done being pleasant.[/Quote] You've never been pleasant. You seem very angry a like to be mean to people to get them to "back off". [Quote][B][U]IF SHAMANISM AND FAITH HEALING WORKED DO YOU KNOW WHAT THEY WOULD BE CALLED? MEDICINE.[/U][/B][/Quote] I don't doubt that. I wasn't claiming that it wouldn't be, and assuming in my very first post i stated that "I'm all for vaccines". Why are you trying to internet yell at me? I didn't make any claims for shamanism, and faith healing. I didn't even bring that topic up. [Quote]Also what the fuck are you talking about with cancer as a social norm, do you even fucking understand what cancer actually is?[/Quote] It's normal as in nobody really cares about it. Someone could pass you in the street tell you about it and your're likely going to be really concerned and inquisitive, or just pass it off. I was in a supermarket the other day. Two men were talking about someone's dead dying of cancer. It didn't seem shocking. They seemed very nonchalant about it, that's what i mean by the social norm. It's socially acceptable to have cancer, the shock factor has gone, so nobody really initiates any real change from their personal actions. It's why you prefer to get your gloves off and try make someone on a discussion board feel bad like he had said a fatalistic curse to you, like, I hope you get cancer. [Quote]THE IMMUNE SYSTEM IS NOT PERFECT, IN FACT IT CAN BE YOUR ABSOLUTE WORST ENEMY AT TIMES. [B]YOU ARE ALSO NOT IMMUNE TO DISEASE[/B] OF ANY VARIATION WITHOUT THAT IMMUNITY BEING CONFERRED TO YOU THROUGH EITHER GENETIC LINEAGE OR VACCINATION, [B][U]THESE ARE THE PRIMARY METHODS OF TRANSFERRING IMMUNITY.[/U][/B][/Quote] No i'm not sure of the scientific mechanics here, but we know a healthy immune system can adapt and not make the host feel any symptoms, or ultimately harm it, or eventually kill it. [Quote]Not showering is fucking disgusting man, there's no two ways about that, it's the sort of shit that helps spread disease, same idea as not washing your clothes and coughing in peoples faces.[/Quote] I do shower. I was not able to shower for a period of time as I mentioned. But if your showering a lot than showered people won't matter to you. I don't believe it's the same idea as coughing in peoples faces. What's really disgusting is how you speak to other people, and rude and insecure you seem that you project that onto others, as wrong doers. [Quote]Also you meant to use the viable not variable.[/Quote] Yes it auto corrected [quote]And seriously now, stop arguing, you're wrong on literally every point and you refuse to see it because, as I've mentioned before, [I]you're either retarded or clinically retarded[/I] and can't understand a single thing about health, medicine and apparently hot water bathing.[/QUOTE] I'm not arguing. I'm being attacked for having viewpoints. I don't want to be right. I just want to investigate the truth. I don't think you either can claim you know more about health and medicine when you ask the above highlighted line. Clinically retarded? Emotions do funny things to your intelligence and wisdom. So stop cursing and start debating.
There is no debate. You are objectively wrong and we've repeatedly outlined why
[QUOTE]Yeah actually we do cause these tests can literally be done in your own home. You don't even need a scientific study done to even prove any of that shit doesn't work because the methods had no scientific basis other than belief of remedy.[/quote] So you'd decline a cancer cure from a shaman because it wasn't done in a scientific way, documented and played on CNN for you? [Quote]Oh my god the fact that you're still salty about this is hilarious.[/Quote] What's salty was someone posting without even reading anything someone says, and making an attempt to humour the crowed. Contracting himself in the process and ironically ends up calling his false post, of poor post quality. Seriously if someone PMS you don't post that someone PMed you. Unless you want social support and was afraid of something. Of which [I]you[/I] did. Maybe that flat faced amine inspired half whatever of an avatar you have a reflection of your true state of concious awareness. [Quote]Pretty much every mammal with a nose knows to stay away from stinky bugs and animals. How is it insecure to detract from things that smell like shit when all animals do it? He'd be more in tune with nature than you with habits like that.[/Quote] I agree that's why i don't ingest fish, diary, meat and other aromatic foods. It's strange how you find the fish tasty, but if you smelt something like it you'd [I]naturally [/I]pull away from it. It smells good because it is psychological conditioning. It smells bad after that affect, because it's repulsive to the human body. This is where humans probably are going wrong with health. They wisdom because they do not question why something is so appealing, but shortly vehemently opposed to our senses. [quote]Christ man do you even know how the immune systems works? If you're struck with a disease you're either fighting it off, left crippled or dead. Why limit your own healing to your immune when vaccines and medicine circumvent symptoms and after-effects? All this shit you say about nature is ironic because you've abandoned human nature to imitate another.[/quote] You calling me christ? If your struck with a disease and your immune system is healthy, you don't have any symptoms, and go on thriving like nature coded you to do.
[QUOTE=Lui2112;47048792]I sometimes don't shower for weeks. [/QUOTE] Maybe the reason you don't get sick is because you smell so bad that nobody wants to get close enough to transmit any kind of illness to you. Food for thought.
[QUOTE=Lui2112;47067348]You've never been pleasant. You seem very angry a like to be mean to people to get them to "back off". I don't doubt that. I wasn't claiming that it wouldn't be, and assuming in my very first post i stated that "I'm all for vaccines". Why are you trying to internet yell at me? I didn't make any claims for shamanism, and faith healing. I didn't even bring that topic up. It's normal as in nobody really cares about it. Someone could pass you in the street tell you about it and your're likely going to be really concerned and inquisitive, or just pass it off. I was in a supermarket the other day. Two men were talking about someone's dead dying of cancer. It didn't seem shocking. They seemed very nonchalant about it, that's what i mean by the social norm. It's socially acceptable to have cancer, the shock factor has gone, so nobody really initiates any real change from their personal actions. It's why you prefer to get your gloves off and try make someone on a discussion board feel bad like he had said a fatalistic curse to you, like, I hope you get cancer. No i'm not sure of the scientific mechanics here, but we know a healthy immune system can adapt and not make the host feel any symptoms, or ultimately harm it, or eventually kill it. I do shower. I was not able to shower for a period of time as I mentioned. But if your showering a lot than showered people won't matter to you. I don't believe it's the same idea as coughing in peoples faces. What's really disgusting is how you speak to other people, and rude and insecure you seem that you project that onto others, as wrong doers. Yes it auto corrected I'm not arguing. I'm being attacked for having viewpoints. I don't want to be right. I just want to investigate the truth. I don't think you either can claim you know more about health and medicine when you ask the above highlighted line. Clinically retarded? Emotions do funny things to your intelligence and wisdom. So stop cursing and start debating.[/QUOTE] The cancer wasn't the norm, you fucking dolt, it was that someones dad died, that's what happens man, older peeps pop their clogs blud. [editline]3rd February 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Lui2112;47067412]So you'd decline a cancer cure from a shaman because it wasn't done in a scientific way, documented and played on CNN for you? What's salty was someone posting without even reading anything someone says, and making an attempt to humour the crowed. Contracting himself in the process and ironically ends up calling his false post, of poor post quality. Seriously if someone PMS you don't post that someone PMed you. Unless you want social support and was afraid of something. Of which [I]you[/I] did. Maybe that flat faced amine inspired half whatever of an avatar you have a reflection of your true state of concious awareness. I agree that's why i don't ingest fish, diary, meat and other aromatic foods. It's strange how you find the fish tasty, but if you smelt something like it you'd [I]naturally [/I]pull away from it. It smells good because it is psychological conditioning. It smells bad after that affect, because it's repulsive to the human body. This is where humans probably are going wrong with health. They wisdom because they do not question why something is so appealing, but shortly vehemently opposed to our senses. You calling me christ? If your struck with a disease and your immune system is healthy, you don't have any symptoms, and go on thriving like nature coded you to do.[/QUOTE] I'd decline a cancer cure from a shaman because invoking the spirits of the dead and commanding the cancer to leave me alone would have about as much effect on the cancer as a kick in the teeth.
[QUOTE=Lui2112;47067348] No i'm not sure of the scientific mechanics here, but we know a healthy immune system can adapt and not make the host feel any symptoms, or ultimately harm it, or eventually kill it. [/QUOTE] Out of everything I have to pick this out. The reason Measles, Polio, Smallpox and a wide-range of other diseases are so deadly is because they hit fast or hit silently, or both. Your immune system is under attack before it even knows what's going on, and by then, it's too late. There's a reason these things wiped out communities. The human body cannot adapt fast enough to ward off the disease before it kills them. In the case of AIDS/HIV, the immune system is being directly targeted and subverted, as mentioned, turning your one and only line of defence against yourself. This is why people who suffer from these illnesses rely on people being mindful of how they spread infections (washing their hands, covering their mouth when coughing) and getting their vaccines, as something like the flu could very easily kill them because they effectively have no immune system. If it was that easy, no one would ever die of diseases ever. Also, if a shaman could discover the cure for cancer with their dark age primitive medicine then don't you think we'd already have found it, considering we've had thousands of years with such primitive practices?
[QUOTE=fulgrim;47067462]Maybe the reason you don't get sick is because you smell so bad that nobody wants to get close enough to transmit any kind of illness to you. Food for thought.[/QUOTE] Well maybe if that is the case. Then you must admit to not showering also, and not wanting catch an illness. Unless you do want to get Ill and can't admit to not showering. In that case I'd be safer to avoid people who are insane, like you, then get an illness and have to die
[QUOTE=Rapscallion92;47067498]I'd decline a cancer cure from a shaman because invoking the spirits of the dead and commanding the cancer to leave me alone would have about as much effect on the cancer as a kick in the teeth.[/QUOTE] it'd do as much as a pine needle pricking you in the chest
[QUOTE=Lui2112;47067586]Well maybe if that is the case. Then you must admit to not showering also, and not wanting catch an illness. Unless you do want to get Ill and can't admit to not showering. In that case I'd be safer to avoid people who are insane, like you, then get an illness and have to die[/QUOTE] It takes effort to be a native english speaker and still sound like something out of google translate.
Lui2112 you are just a dumb guy who doubts science. Try this: Go get some Ebola, then try to heal you via homeopathy, shamanism, ozonotherapy, whatever. [B]You'll die, you punk[/B]. Because it has been [B]PROVEN [/B]that [B]THOSE [/B]methods [B]AREN'T [/B]effective at all. They are [B]PSEUDO [/B][B]SCIENCE[/B]. Why, why would you think that after Jonas Salk invented the Polio vaccine, that disease almost disappeared? [QUOTE]So you'd decline a cancer cure from a shaman because it wasn't done in a scientific way, documented and played on CNN for you? [/QUOTE] Hahahah, the guy says "CNN" Try this also: Write down all your theories, and go present them to the WHO. Of course, write at the top:"Not a comedy" so they try to take you seriously (which I doubt they will).
[QUOTE=Lui2112;47067586]Well maybe if that is the case. Then you must admit to not showering also, and not wanting catch an illness. Unless you do want to get Ill and can't admit to not showering. In that case I'd be safer to avoid people who are insane, like you, then get an illness and have to die[/QUOTE] For the first ever I have aphasia boys and girls.
[QUOTE=Lui2112;47067412]So you'd decline a cancer cure from a shaman because it wasn't done in a scientific way, documented and played on CNN for you? What's salty was someone posting without even reading anything someone says, and making an attempt to humour the crowed. Contracting himself in the process and ironically ends up calling his false post, of poor post quality. Seriously if someone PMS you don't post that someone PMed you. Unless you want social support and was afraid of something. Of which [I]you[/I] did. Maybe that flat faced amine inspired half whatever of an avatar you have a reflection of your true state of concious awareness. I agree that's why i don't ingest fish, diary, meat and other aromatic foods. It's strange how you find the fish tasty, but if you smelt something like it you'd [I]naturally [/I]pull away from it. It smells good because it is psychological conditioning. It smells bad after that affect, because it's repulsive to the human body. This is where humans probably are going wrong with health. They wisdom because they do not question why something is so appealing, but shortly vehemently opposed to our senses. You calling me christ? If your struck with a disease and your immune system is healthy, you don't have any symptoms, and go on thriving like nature coded you to do.[/QUOTE] A shaman wouldn't have a cure for cancer because shamanism is not fucking medicine. Dude, we've objectively explained why you are wrong. If you can't see past your own ignorance, that's on you. These diseases were dying out before the anti-vaccination movement gained steam and now they're returning because "vaccines cause autism" which has been debunked COUNTLESS times by now. We have years of study supporting the effectiveness of vaccines. Where's your years of evidence heralding the use of shamanism and faith healing? Oh wait, if those worked we'd actually refer to them as medicine. You keep saying that "vaccines aren't bulletproof" when they are the CLOSEST thing to bulletproof we've got. Just because kevlar isn't exactly bulletproof, doesn't mean you wouldn't want it when doing a SWAT raid. Its just stupid to say that "this isn't perfect" is a reason to not use something that has net positive benefits for everyone.
[QUOTE=Lui2112;47067586]Well maybe if that is the case. Then you must admit to not showering also, and not wanting catch an illness. Unless you do want to get Ill and can't admit to not showering. In that case I'd be safer to avoid people who are insane, like you, then get an illness and have to die[/QUOTE] it's amazing how you even know how to use a keyboard
[QUOTE=Lui2112;47067412]If your struck with a disease and your immune system is healthy, you don't have any symptoms, and go on thriving like nature coded you to do.[/QUOTE] And that's how tuberculosis outbreaks happen! :eng101: The only known vaccine for TB is only good for a 20% decrease in infection risk, and a 60% decrease in the chance that the infection will progress to active disease. The vaccine has an effective life of about a decade and needs to be renewed as booster shots during adulthood (almost all children in developed countries are immunized--until antivax came around). It's still better than fucking nothing, and it's many orders of magnitude better than the power of prayer. About one third of the global population is carrying TB. In developed countries, non-immunocompromised TB carriers have a 90% chance of never displaying symptoms, but they are still carriers and can become infectious and sick later in life if their immune system fails to keep the infection in check. This rate is about 1% [I]every year[/I]. Having a compromised immune system raises that chance 10x. Even if you are an unlucky fuck and go straight from infection to active disease conditions, there is still as long as a [I]ten-week[/I] incubation period where you are infectious to others but show no outward symptoms. 25% of the time, there aren't even any outward symptoms until TB really fucks you up (it's fatal if untreated--and antibiotic-resistant TB is on the rise). TB is airborne, so just coughing around someone when you've got an active TB infection (even if you don't know about it) can spread it. There is a one in three chance you have tuberculosis living inside your body [B]right now[/B]. If this is the case, for the rest of your life, there is the chance that you will suddenly develop pulmonary (dog help you if it progresses to other parts of your body, like your bones) disease out of nowhere, and everyone who's been in places you have been for [I]weeks[/I] is at risk of catching it from you. You're wrong, insert coin to continue. I reiterate my vote that we should send Lui2112 into an ebola hot zone for three months without the benefit of medical care and see how his mighty shaman-powered immune system works.
[QUOTE=Lui2112;47067412]So you'd decline a cancer cure from a shaman because it wasn't done in a scientific way, documented and played on CNN for you? [/quote] You're confusing documentary with scientific studies, which are done on paper or published online. Good job assuming things. [QUOTE=Lui2112;47067412] What's salty was someone posting without even reading anything someone says, and making an attempt to humour the crowed. Contracting himself in the process and ironically ends up calling his false post, of poor post quality. Seriously if someone PMS you don't post that someone PMed you. Unless you want social support and was afraid of something. Of which [I]you[/I] did. Maybe that flat faced amine inspired half whatever of an avatar you have a reflection of your true state of concious awareness.[/quote] I just didn't reply because everything you said was dumb or objectively wrong. It's not my job to teach you, that's what education is for. [QUOTE=Lui2112;47067412] I agree that's why i don't ingest fish, diary, meat and other aromatic foods. It's strange how you find the fish tasty, but if you smelt something like it you'd [I]naturally [/I]pull away from it. It smells good because it is psychological conditioning. It smells bad after that affect, because it's repulsive to the human body. This is where humans probably are going wrong with health. They wisdom because they do not question why something is so appealing, but shortly vehemently opposed to our senses.[/quote] Fish, dairy and meat are not rotten foods? I don't know why you decided to list normal foods. [QUOTE=Lui2112;47067412] You calling me christ? If your struck with a disease and your immune system is healthy, you don't have any symptoms, and go on thriving like nature coded you to do.[/QUOTE] Ahahaha dude you know disease can kill you before they even show a single symptom? Tuberculosis spreads like crazy and no one will ever know they have it until it kills them. Syphilis can enter a stage where it lies dormant for [B]up to 40 years[/B] before activating again. By that time symptoms start up again it's already spread out your entire body. Do you really think it's natural for human life expectancy to be 30 years old?
[QUOTE=Lui2112;47067586]Well maybe if that is the case. Then you must admit to not showering also, and not wanting catch an illness. Unless you do want to get Ill and can't admit to not showering. In that case I'd be safer to avoid people who are insane, like you, then get an illness and have to die[/QUOTE] You are my favourite poster
Apparently now I'm a supporter of Shaman healing. I've come pretty far from a,"I'm all for vaccines"[I]anti-vaxxer dude[/I]. My very first post I mentioned, that I was all for vaccines to help progress science. Yet everyone's is trying to make to seem dumb, and that I'm wrong with some anti-science stance. [editline]3rd February 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=fulgrim;47068796]You are my favourite poster[/QUOTE] Didn't work. Just send me private message if you desire to do that.
[QUOTE=Lui2112;47068878]Apparently now I'm a supporter of Shaman healing. I've come pretty far from a,"I'm all for vaccines"[I]anti-vaxxer dude[/I]. My very first post I mentioned, that I was all for vaccines to help progress science. Yet everyone's is trying to make to seem dumb, and that I'm wrong with some anti-science stance. [editline]3rd February 2015[/editline] Didn't work. Just send me private message if you desire to do that.[/QUOTE] would you stop and look at what the fuck you say for a minute. Not only did you say in regards to shaman healing and faith healing that [quote]Look if shamanism and faith healing work try it. [/quote] No one is misrepresenting you or your views except for you. Not only that, but you ignore almost every argument in order to just nitpick on how people are being "mean" to you when really, they're just tired of trying to have a discussion with you because you're insistence on being the arbiter of truth is really fucking annoying. [editline]3rd February 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Lui2112;47067586]Well maybe if that is the case. Then you must admit to not showering also, and not wanting catch an illness. Unless you do want to get Ill and can't admit to not showering. In that case I'd be safer to avoid people who are insane, like you, then get an illness and have to die[/QUOTE] i mean just look at this reply. To a native english speaker in the context that this post is found in, it's literally just above being gibberish. I don't mean to be mean, but that's the truth. [editline]3rd February 2015[/editline] And nevermind the amount of stuff you spout off that is at best tangentially related, when questioned on it you react with hostility as if questioning your understanding of things is an affront to you. Maybe you're just not good at talking with people is my guess if you can't even handle being told "hey, you're not correct about that".
[QUOTE=Lui2112;47068878] Yet everyone's is trying to make to seem dumb, and that I'm wrong with some anti-science stance. [/QUOTE] to be fair, every single one of your posts make you look dumb and anti-science [editline]3rd February 2015[/editline] and you're also wrong too
[QUOTE=Lui2112;47067412]So you'd decline a cancer cure from a shaman because it wasn't done in a scientific way, documented and played on CNN for you?[/QUOTE] It wouldn't be a cure. We already know things like that have no effect on the body. You'll say "No you don't" but we actually do. we proved shit like that doesn't work decades ago. [QUOTE]What's salty was someone posting without even reading anything someone says, and making an attempt to humour the crowed. Contracting himself in the process and ironically ends up calling his false post, of poor post quality. [/QUOTE] Reading everything you've said, you're more laughable than you realize I'm sure. The issue being that you promote pseudo science as real science and even when questioned about that said [QUOTE=Lui2112;47021731]Well I've learnt that being insane and "pseudo-intellectual" in this world currently is one of ways you know your actually sane and clever. The question is is my stuff wrong or do you label it in angry ways to help you cope with what it might be saying.[/QUOTE] which is just a pile of tripe. If being "pseudo scientific" is a modern version of being "ahead of the times" then we really have a powerful scientist here, just one that cannot and will not produce proof. [QUOTE]Seriously if someone PMS you don't post that someone PMed you. Unless you want social support and was afraid of something. Of which [I]you[/I] did. Maybe that flat faced amine inspired half whatever of an avatar you have a reflection of your true state of concious awarenes[/QUOTE]s. This is basically flaming. It has nothing to do with the conversation and you can't really expect anyone to treat you nicely when you're just on the attack all the time. [QUOTE]I agree that's why i don't ingest fish, diary, meat and other aromatic foods. It's strange how you find the fish tasty, but if you smelt something like it you'd [I]naturally [/I]pull away from it. [/QUOTE] I eat raw fish. I eat meat, dairy, and "Aromatic" foods(Not like that means anything in regards to our health). I've caught a fish I later flash froze and ate raw. It was delicious and smelled divine. What kind of argument is this? What the fuck do you think ancient human beings ate? Not meat? No, they ate meat any chance they got. For someone who advocates neolithic living, you sure don't know anything about it. [QUOTE]It smells good because it is psychological conditioning. It smells bad after that affect, because it's repulsive to the human body. [/QUOTE] Nope. [QUOTE]This is where humans probably are going wrong with health. They wisdom because they do not question why something is so appealing, but shortly vehemently opposed to our senses.[/QUOTE] what does this mean [QUOTE]You calling me christ? If your struck with a disease and your immune system is healthy, you don't have any symptoms, and go on thriving like nature coded you to do.[/QUOTE] No symptoms doesn't mean you're in the clear.
[QUOTE=stupid10er;47069073]to be fair, every single one of your posts make you look dumb and anti-science [editline]3rd February 2015[/editline] and you're also wrong too[/QUOTE] Why are you replying to a Dumb person.
[QUOTE=Lui2112;47069138]Why are you replying to a Dumb person.[/QUOTE] Now it's obvious you're trolling
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