• Breaking News: Feds Sentence Co-Founder of NinjaVideo.net to 14 months in prison
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He deserved it, i starting to have second thoughs bout the megavideo thing to, they sized badass cars from a big damn mansion. These sites now they can get fucked anytime. [QUOTE=Sodisna;34315168]1 year = 12 months.[/QUOTE] A year is 12 months? Holy shit that's a year.
[QUOTE=Sodisna;34315168]1 year = 12 months.[/QUOTE] Thank you for enlightening us with your unlimited and superior wisdom. I will now continue my life by preaching out your knowledge to everyone who seeks it. Bless you.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;34315167]Is stealing alright if you steal from somebody rich? Is that a good way to base your morality?[/QUOTE] For the most part all those men have probably made their riches by stealing from others.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;34315167]Is stealing alright if you steal from somebody rich? Is that a good way to base your morality?[/QUOTE] depends on how much you steal besides the government steals from everyone
[QUOTE=Wafflemonstr;34315263]For the most part all those men have probably made their riches by stealing from others.[/QUOTE] So you are the judge and jury that get to decide their guilt? Also, the appropriate punishment for their alleged crimes is to steal small amounts from them? This is just poor justification for a greedy, lazy act. No matter how you try to spin piracy it [i]is[/i] greedy and lazy. [editline]21st January 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Contag;34315315] besides the government steals from everyone[/QUOTE] Yea, but the government is a representative system that is technically directly accountable to us.
Everyone is accountable, by virtue of the ability of people to rise up and hack off their heads How can you argue that theft is immoral when the system is designed around it? evidently in some cases theft can be quite moral (or not, if you're an anarchist), and your presentation of 'piracy = STEALING' is flawed and overly simplistic
[QUOTE=Contag;34315517]Everyone is accountable, by virtue of the ability of people to rise up and hack off their heads How can you argue that theft is immoral when the system is designed around it? evidently in some cases theft can be quite moral (or not, if you're an anarchist), and your presentation of 'piracy = STEALING' is flawed and overly simplistic[/QUOTE] You have yet to explain how the system is designed around theft in the first place. Or even what system you are talking about. You sound like one of those angsty kids who think anything corporate or government = stealing from the poor man. And you accuse my statements of being flawed and overly simplistic? Anyways, piracy isn't the same as traditional theft. However, it shares enough parallels that it [i]can[/i] be simplified as a form of theft. It, in essence, takes money away from the copyright holders who produced the good or service to some extent.
Uh taxation? government? The thing that enforces things like, say, copyright law? honestly fuck off yawmwen go for a fucking walk because this [quote]one of those angsty kids who think anything corporate or government = stealing from the poor man.[/quote] is shit and your arguments about piracy being comparable to theft is also bullshit because a sizable amount of pirates either spend more on copyright material than non-pirates anyway, or would never have bought the copyrighted items as well
Also, saying that theft is alright because the system itself is flawed still isn't a great argument anyways. Should a robber or murderer be let free because the system in itself is flawed? You can make the argument that the system is flawed all you want, and I will probably agree with you on most of it. However, that doesn't absolve an individual of personal responsibility.
and now I have to drive down to the shops for some cigarettes because your idiocy has pissed me off I'm invoicing you for the gasoline [editline]21st January 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=yawmwen;34315663]Also, saying that theft is alright because the system itself is flawed still isn't a great argument anyways. Should a robber or murderer be let free because the system in itself is flawed? You can make the argument that the system is flawed all you want, and I will probably agree with you on most of it. However, that doesn't absolve an individual of personal responsibility.[/QUOTE] I am saying that it is more nuanced than that. Because it is artificially scarce and is only supposed to provide economic incentive for innovative work, I don't see it as morally wrong when someone who cannot contribute economically copies the work [editline]21st January 2012[/editline] (though perhaps i am more angry than usual because of lack of cigarettes) Vote Contag 2012 (R) R is for Rage
[QUOTE=Capitalist Dog;34315143][img]http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/402483_320304101343266_100000910362104_899508_643272867_n.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] its okay to steal from simon cowell
[QUOTE=Contag;34315654]Uh taxation? government? The thing that enforces things like, say, copyright law?[/quote] Alright, when I rob a house I will use the excuse that I was just taxing the "victim". [quote]honestly fuck off yawmwen go for a fucking walk because this is shit[/quote] No [quote]Uh taxation? government? The thing that enforces things like, say, copyright law?[/quote] is shit. [quote]and your arguments about piracy being comparable to theft is also bullshit because a sizable amount of pirates either spend more on copyright material than non-pirates anyway, or would never have bought the copyrighted items as well[/QUOTE] So are you going to make the claim that piracy has absolutely no negative effect on the industry as a whole? Because that is incredibly fucking ignorant in itself. It takes someone to completely shut their brain off to logic and evidence in order to even make the claim that it is beneficial(which was the implication in that statement). [editline]21st January 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Contag;34315665] I am saying that it is more nuanced than that. Because it is artificially scarce and is only supposed to provide economic incentive for innovative work, I don't see it as morally wrong when someone who cannot contribute economically copies the work [/QUOTE] So that gives a free pass to anyone who pirates anything? What about the guy who rips cds and sells them bootleg on the streets? Or the chick who pirates a video game because she doesn't want to shell out the cash for it?
okay totally not cruel and unusual punishment or abuse of power or anything i mean natural disasters actually hurt people and no-one gets charged with anything
[QUOTE=yawmwen;34315731]Alright, when I rob a house I will use the excuse that I was just taxing the "victim".[/quote] Yup, or better yet, you should get them to pay you to provide protection. The legitimacy of the state is furtive at best. [quote] So are you going to make the claim that piracy has absolutely no negative effect on the industry as a whole? Because that is incredibly fucking ignorant in itself. It takes someone to completely shut their brain off to logic and evidence in order to even make the claim that it is beneficial(which was the implication in that statement).[/quote] If this is the case, please provide evidence to the contrary. It was my understanding that what you quoted was found out by study quite recently, could someone back me up? [quote] So that gives a free pass to anyone who pirates anything? What about the guy who rips cds and sells them bootleg on the streets? Or the chick who pirates a video game because she doesn't want to shell out the cash for it?[/QUOTE] Not at all, can you read? In both situations they could still provide an economic incentive for the innovator, and the prices are not exorbitant.
[QUOTE=Capitalist Dog;34315143][img]http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/402483_320304101343266_100000910362104_899508_643272867_n.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] It needs quotes around 'stealing' since copyright infringement can't be defined as theft.
[QUOTE=Ray-The-Sun;34315933]It needs quotes around 'stealing' since copyright infringement can't be defined as theft.[/QUOTE] Well [I]CERTAIN[/I] groups are already lobbying for classifying copyright infringement as stealing. But we all know who they are, so I wont bother listing them.
14 months isn't so bad though... He did have a noticeable amount of copyrighted material on the site.. people who get caught smoking pot privately, get up to over a year in jail or other things less minor than what this guy was doing
[QUOTE=Contag;34315869]Yup, or better yet, you should get them to pay you to provide protection. The legitimacy of the state is furtive at best.[/quote] Did you change into a libertarian while I wasn't looking? [quote]If this is the case, please provide evidence to the contrary. It was my understanding that what you quoted was found out by study quite recently, could someone back me up?[/quote] According to the US Government the effects of piracy on the economy is "difficult, if not impossible to quantify"([url]http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d10423.pdf[/url]). I wrote out a long bit about how it could logically impact the music and video gaming industries, but that's in essence worthless. So either way I continue with the moral argument that it is still greedy and lazy to pirate. Just because the owner of the intellectual property is rich doesn't give a free pass to do it.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;34316126]Did you change into a libertarian while I wasn't looking?[/quote] No, still the same Contag. The modern state is radically flawed, but it's arguably better than every thing else.
[QUOTE=Kaarristu;34316068]14 months isn't so bad though... He did have a noticeable amount of copyrighted material on the site.. people who get caught smoking pot privately, get up to over a year in jail or other things less minor than what this guy was doing[/QUOTE] Nobody gets a year for smoking pot in the US. The maximum penalty for possession according to federal law is 1 year. That's the max sentence, the sentence no one is likely to get.
i would say that it would be alright if he served 14 months for pirating 500,000$ worth of material if the american judicial system wasnt old testament, corrupted and flawed and ran on black and white morals without leaving any room for the 'gray area' where its hard to distinguish whos right and whos wrong current prisons are basically torture facilities disguised as being 'rehabilitating'
copyright law is and has almost always been fubar anyway
[QUOTE=Moose;34316507]i would say that it would be alright if he served 14 months for pirating 500,000$ worth of material if the american judicial system wasnt old testament, corrupted and flawed and ran on black and white morals without leaving any room for the 'gray area' where its hard to distinguish whos right and whos wrong current prisons are basically torture facilities disguised as being 'rehabilitating'[/QUOTE] Holy shit you should work for a sensationalist newspaper. There is "grey area" in the justice system, usually in the hands of prosecutors who can use discretion when deciding how to prosecute someone. This is flawed in many ways, but it generally works. Also prison is not a "torture facility". It sucks, yea, but they feed you well, you get access to healthcare, education, and often times work.
We only treat people seeking asylum from brutal totalitarian regimes the way Americans treat their prisoners I'm not sure that that's a good thing
[QUOTE=Contag;34316637]We only treat people seeking asylum from brutal totalitarian regimes the way Americans treat their prisoners I'm not sure that that's a good thing[/QUOTE] I'm not saying our prison system is the best, but it is far from a "torture facility".
if only you knew about the convicts near boston that are walked around like dogs with bed sheet collars and use red eminems as lipstick, or the ones that smear their own shit on the walls with their hands because they've been locked up for so long in solitary that they lose their minds. im not saying this generalizes all prisons across the nation but i'd expect similar behavior if they're operated the same way
[QUOTE=Moose;34317123]if only you knew about the convicts near boston that are walked around like dogs with bed sheet collars and use red eminems as lipstick, or the ones that smear their own shit on the walls with their hands because they've been locked up for so long in solitary that they lose their minds. [/QUOTE] If what you are saying is true this is highly illegal behavior and is prosecutable.
what are you going to do, yawmwen? throw the convicts in jail again for doing these things to each other?
I would say prosecute the prison administration for running their prison like a walmart?
[QUOTE=Moose;34317322]what are you going to do, yawmwen? throw the convicts in jail again for doing these things to each other?[/QUOTE] If this stuff is happening it's happening most likely due to negligence on the part of prison staff, which makes the staff criminally responsible.
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