• 994 mass shootings in 1,004 days: this is what America's gun crisis looks like
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[QUOTE=billibobc;49260233] Because its unnecessary? Why do civilians need them?[/QUOTE] Not a good argument, why do we need fast ass cars, alcohol, or internet?
[QUOTE=Megadave;49260389]Not a good argument, why do we need fast ass cars, alcohol, or internet?[/QUOTE] "Cars aren't MADE TO KILL HUMAN BEINGS, alcohol is safe when not abused, internet is a basic human right!"
[QUOTE=billibobc;49260233] Because its unnecessary? Why do civilians need them?[/QUOTE] Why do you need anything other than food, water, air, and shelter?
[QUOTE=NO ONE;49260159]I've always found it interesting that despite the fact that here in NH, we have some [I]very[/I] laid back gun laws, yet have one of the lowest amount of gun murders in the country([url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States_by_state]Look at this list for refernce[/url]). We have a sizable population, relatively speaking, but it seems for the most part the culture around here doesn't seem to promote mass shootings too much. Granted, in our biggest cities, especially Manchester, you can still hear about shootings almost once a week. Even then, in that city, robbery is like 3-4x more likely than murder. Drugs are the biggest issue really. There virtually are no gangs, so even the dealers aren't really highly dangerous individuals really. I really can't imagine any sort of terrorist attack happening in NH, or VT, or even ME for that matter. It's a different story, obviously, for MA (because of Boston, Lawrence, etc.). I think in a general sense, improving the general standard of life for people may contribute to lowering the motivation for people to commit mass shootings. It can't just be a simple matter of allowing or not allowing something. That's probably already been established in this thread, but I thought I'd just further reiterate.[/QUOTE] For anyone too lazy to look: 39th in Gun Ownership, 49th in Gun Murders, 50th in Murders. I'm more impressed by Washington D.C. though. 50th in Gun Ownership, 1st in murder and gun murder. That reads like an NRA pamphlet, what the fuck D.C.?
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;49260538]For anyone too lazy to look: 39th in Gun Ownership, 49th in Gun Murders, 50th in Murders. I'm more impressed by Washington D.C. though. 50th in Gun Ownership, 1st in murder and gun murder. That reads like an NRA pamphlet, what the fuck D.C.?[/QUOTE] Poverty and social strife has a lot more to do with murder rates than gun accessibility.
The use and ownership of cars is also heavily regulated and treated like a privilege because of how dangerous they are.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49260556]The use and ownership of cars is also heavily regulated and treated like a privilege because of how dangerous they are.[/QUOTE] Only on public streets. Which is comparable to CHL.
[QUOTE=RichyZ;49260550]except those are all valid arguments cars are the key to the US's infrastructure, without cars barely anyone outside of major metropolitan areas could get to work in a timely manner alcohol is used to deal with wounds all the time, and as for alcohol people actually drink, there are strict regulations on who can drink it, and what you can do while drinking, also prohibition didn't work in the 20s so there's that too internet is necessary to get a job at a majority of companies, as well as being a goldmine of knowledge and connections[/QUOTE] Cars are technically abused more than guns on a regular basis in the US when you look at the numbers though, pretty sure we could do with some driver safety reform and increasing the difficulty of the driving test. In fact, limit the top speed of all new vehicles to 85mph, the maximum legal speed limit in the US. It's only a matter of time until we have automated cars that don't require a persons input, that'll solve the problem once and for all.
[QUOTE=BANNED USER;49260623]Cars are technically abused more than guns on a regular basis in the US when you look at the numbers though, pretty sure we could do with some driver safety reform and increasing the difficulty of the driving test. In fact, limit the top speed of all new vehicles to 85mph, the maximum legal speed limit in the US. It's only a matter of time until we have automated cars that don't require a persons input, that'll solve the problem once and for all.[/QUOTE] Thus why I'm a little interested by the whole finger scanner thing on guns, it needs to be done in a way that can protect the users privacy and prevent from unwarranted confiscation, but yeah it can be done.
[QUOTE=RichyZ;49260655]there needs to be car reforms and atm its piss easy to get a license, but you cannot equate guns with cars they are nowhere near the same aside from being 2 things that are restricted in some way guns are only an important part of life if you are in an active warzone or detroit, cars are important to everyone living outside of a major metropolitan area[/QUOTE] I would say guns are too, but with how long it takes a police officer to reach you in some rural areas that would not be very good. Hell, if you want I'd say guns are actually needed more in rural zones than Detroit.
[QUOTE=Megadave;49260687]I would say guns are too, but with how long it takes a police officer to reach you in some rural areas that would not be very good. Hell, if you want I'd say guns are actually needed more in rural zones than Detroit.[/QUOTE] The other thing to consider about rural areas is that burglars, home invaders, and murderers aren't the biggest concern out here. What is a farmer supposed to do if coyotes attack his animals, call the police? That's asinine. In addition to the police response time for [I]human[/I] adversaries, defense against animals must also be considered, which is something police simply cannot offer.
[QUOTE=RichyZ;49260550]alcohol is used to deal with wounds all the time, and as for alcohol people actually drink, there are strict regulations on who can drink it, and what you can do while drinking, also prohibition didn't work in the 20s so there's that too[/QUOTE] cough [QUOTE=RichyZ;49260550]there are strict regulations on who can own guns/which guns you can own, and what you can do while carrying/shooting, also prohibition didn't work in california/newyork/chicago/detroit/france/uk/australia so there's that too[/QUOTE]
Hey guys did you know prohibition doesnt work.
[QUOTE=AaronM202;49260811]Hey guys did you know prohibition doesnt work.[/QUOTE] Said the only nation where this regularly happens.
[QUOTE=DeEz;49260862]Said the only nation where this regularly happens.[/QUOTE] people only kill each other in america and only with those evil evil guns
[QUOTE=DeEz;49260862]Said the only nation where this regularly gets publicity.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=RichyZ;49260880]alcohol isn't guns alcohol can be made by actual retards on accident it is deeply ingrained into human culture from around the world, not just some dumb american culture shit tons of other countries have heavy regulations on guns and they seem to be working because they don't get nearly as many fatal shootings as we do, suicide or otherwise[/QUOTE] yet many of those have comparable homicide+attempted homicide rates [editline]6th December 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=RichyZ;49260883]lot easier to kill someone with a gun than a knife or hammer or whatever[/QUOTE] must be why killings with guns are a minority of killings in the us and why most killings with guns are gang on gang or gang related [editline]6th December 2015[/editline] fuck facts ban this thing i dont like god i hate reality
[QUOTE=RichyZ;49260872]of alcohol[/QUOTE] Of anything. Alcohol, drugs, weapons, anything thats prohibited, people will want, and people will get. Its as simple as supply and demand. The problem at hand isnt the tool, its the hand that uses it.
Well okay, if you think going out and shooting bottles in your backyard is worth a couple of mass shootings that's your business. Kind of sucks for the affected families though, don't you think?
[QUOTE=DeEz;49260918]Well okay, if you think going out and shooting bottles in your backyard is worth a couple of mass shootings that's your business. Kind of sucks for the affected families though, don't you think?[/QUOTE] If I didn't know you were actually so ignorant I'd think you were trolling with posts of this caliber lmao We both know it's not that simple but it's easier for you to squeeze out a runny turd of a post like that than to put the effort in and come up with anything thoughtful
[QUOTE=DeEz;49260918]Well okay, if you think going out and shooting bottles in your backyard is worth a couple of mass shootings that's your business. Kind of sucks for the affected families though, don't you think?[/QUOTE] You know what would more effectively contain, control, and reduce mass shootings? Actually attending to the mental health of people in the country so they wont get the idea to kill someone to begin with.
[QUOTE=AaronM202;49260933]You know what would more effectively contain, control, and reduce mass shootings? Actually attending to the mental health of people in the country so they wont get the idea to kill someone to begin with.[/QUOTE] The overall violence issue is much more rooted in poverty and rampant glorification of gang culture than it is in mental health It's got very little (read: nothing) to do with innocent people who keep a gun or two in their closet for plinking at the range This entire debate has everything to do with antis' dumb paranoia that every other person on the planet will shoot them if they get a gun and nothing to do with any genuine concern for lives being lost to crime
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;49260942]The overall violence issue is much more rooted in poverty and rampant glorification of gang culture than it is in mental health It's got very little (read: nothing) to do with innocent people who keep a gun or two in their closet for plinking at the range This entire debate has everything to do with antis' dumb paranoia that every other person on the planet will shoot them if they get a gun and nothing to do with any genuine concern for lives being lost to crime[/QUOTE] True.
[QUOTE=AaronM202;49260933]You know what would more effectively contain, control, and reduce mass shootings? Actually attending to the mental health of people in the country so they wont get the idea to kill someone to begin with. [editline]6th December 2015[/editline] Not to be mean about it, but didnt you guys have a mass shooting anyway a few years ago?[/QUOTE] Didn't you have one just a couple of days ago? And then the other just a couple of days before that (need I go on)? It's pretty scary that people are so adamant on keeping their power fantasy toys that they just bury their heads in the sand for all the issues they are causing.
[QUOTE=DeEz;49260958]Didn't you have one just a couple of days ago? And then the other just a couple of days before that (need I go on)? It's pretty scary that people are so adamant on keeping their power fantasy toys that they just bury their heads in the sand for all the issues they are causing.[/QUOTE] Mine are causing no issues. My area has high enough gun ownership rates to sustain four separate gun stores in the same town yet crime was a null factor here until the state began moving urban poor into apartment buildings here because it was out of room in DFW. We are out of ways to tell you the problem does not lie with firearms or firearm ownership. It's on you to recognize facts when they're laid in front of you.
[QUOTE=DeEz;49260918]Well okay, if you think going out and shooting bottles in your backyard is worth a couple of mass shootings that's your business. Kind of sucks for the affected families though, don't you think?[/QUOTE] That's like saying you can't enjoy a drink because someone lost their loved one to alcoholism. It's basically an argument based on total emotion and not factual information. [editline]6th December 2015[/editline] and no, you're right they aren't the same. They are totally different. Alcohol kills more people, is way more glorified in the world, and makes you an even more worthless person than having a gun. but oh, something being a lot worse than something else isn't a valid argument.
[QUOTE=DeEz;49260958]Didn't you have one just a couple of days ago? And then the other just a couple of days before that (need I go on)?[/QUOTE] And the problem goes deeper than just guns. I dont think you can really comprehend it since you seem to be a very flat, 2 dimensional type of person who only looks at the problem from a single angle and thinks that doing this one thing will magically solve a decades old problem that has more to do with poverty, gang violence, and mental health than it does the tools used in it, especially when other countries have notable instances of gun crime or mass knife attacks even with strict gun laws. But, i thought you should at least know that, so. [QUOTE=DeEz;49260958]It's pretty scary that people are so adamant on keeping their power fantasy toys that they just bury their heads in the sand for all the issues they are causing.[/QUOTE] I sure do love buzzwords, yessum sirree. Thats how you win an argument or prove your point. No dont actually bring anything valid up, just say that they're tools for power fantasies that have no practical usage whatsoever in the real world, they're just there to look cool and kill some folk. Not like people use it for self defense, recreational fun, competition, sport, or hunting or anything.
[QUOTE=AaronM202;49260998]...especially when other countries have notable instances of gun crime or mass knife attacks even with strict gun laws. But, i thought you should at least know that, so. [/QUOTE] [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate"]If you say so.[/URL]
[QUOTE=DeEz;49261009][URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate"]If you say so.[/URL][/QUOTE] I'm sure countries where laffy taffy is sold have more cases of choking on laffy taffy than countries where laffy taffy is not sold. People still choke on other foods. AKA; no shit the US has more gun crime. We have more guns. That doesn't mean guns are actually causing people to commit crimes. Why can't you wrap your head around this? Corpses don't care how the crime was committed. They're fucking dead. All that matters is that somebody killed them, be it with a hammer, knife, woodchipper, bus, or gun.
[QUOTE=DeEz;49261009][URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate"]If you say so.[/URL][/QUOTE] Okay?
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