Chris Rock Stopped Performing for Students Because Everything Offends Them
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People getting offended is like some kind of a cultural plague. Everyone is always getting offended at something and completely miss the point of comedy, which is sometimes the best way to approach some subjects, instead of demonizing them and ending up silencing any talk about it instead.
I mean really, they get offended by comedy.
[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;46669899]It's interesting how on Facepunch being offended by something is a cardinal sin worthy of lynching, and if you are offended you are always in the wrong no matter what it is and should get over it.
[editline]8th December 2014[/editline]
Good for you. Do you realize that there are people in the world who have legitimate reasons to be offended by the usage of that word? If someone clearly has a valid reason to be upset by it the polite thing to do would be not to call people retarded.[/QUOTE]
Prolly cause its limiting free speech and hurts people who get shoved into the limelite for saying a single fucking word. Its the opposite, its becoming a fucking cardinal sin to even go near anything that might make someone uncomfortable. Its fucking garbage and is slowly becoming cultural Marxism.
[QUOTE=Buck.;46669956]People getting offended is like some kind of a cultural plague. Everyone is always getting offended at something and completely miss the point of comedy, which is sometimes the best way to approach some subjects, instead of demonizing them and ending up silencing any talk about it instead.
I mean really, they get offended by comedy.[/QUOTE]
in a stand up, comedy should only be offensive if it isn't present
[QUOTE=Venezuelan;46668973]No because my argument is just as objectively valid as anyone else's in this thread. The only difference is I'm not in the circlejerk.[/QUOTE]
How the [B]fuck[/B] does a circlejerk somehow make it a defense to say something?
"Hey guys, I have a differing opinion therefore I'm right". Would that line of reasoning hold if you said something racist and everyone wasn't being racist.
[QUOTE=codemaster85;46670006]cultural Marxism.[/QUOTE]
What in god's name are you talking about?
I don't think people should stop being edgy just because it offends people. If it does, let them stand on their soapbox and preach about why they're offended. Meanwhile, let the rest of the audience enjoy some quality humor.
I mean do you or do you not agree with the idea that people have legitimate reasons to be offended by certain words (nigger, retarded, faggot etc.)? Yes or no?
I think the context fucking matters and they have every right to be offended just as everyone human being has a right to offend.
[QUOTE=Aphtonites;46668587]Didn't that happen to Jontron as well?[/QUOTE]
Jontron was in a lot of shit because of his association with Zoey Quinn during some stupid gamejam. They didn't agree and that made him public enemy #1 to a lot of people
[QUOTE=codemaster85;46670006][B]Prolly cause its limiting free speech[/B] and hurts people who get shoved into the limelite for saying a single fucking word. Its the opposite, its becoming a fucking cardinal sin to even go near anything that might make someone uncomfortable. Its fucking garbage and is slowly becoming cultural Marxism.[/QUOTE]
This xkcd comic pretty much sums up my feelings about this argument.
[url]http://xkcd.com/1357/[/url]
[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;46670080]I mean do you or do you not agree with the idea that people have legitimate reasons to be offended by certain words (nigger, retarded, faggot etc.)? Yes or no?[/QUOTE]
Only if they can't pull it off.
There are contexts in which they can be funny or where they can be used to seriously discuss a subject but if they are used to flat out hurt someone I can see how people can be offended. There was a time where calling black people black was offensive and negro was the "proper" word. In the end it's just a word and it's the context behind it that matters, but some can really easily be used to hurt someone because of the history surrounding them.
[QUOTE=Wowza!;46670151]This xkcd comic pretty much sums up my feelings about this argument.
[url]http://xkcd.com/1357/[/url][/QUOTE]
Except everyone should have the right to say what they want period. Censoring and attacking people for their input is bullshit and causes a massive hugbox that prevents others from having independent thought to enforce a single way of thinking or face the consequences.
[QUOTE=codemaster85;46670278]Except everyone should have the right to say what they want period. Censoring and attacking people for their input is bullshit and causes a massive hugbox that prevents others from having independent thought to enforce a single way of thinking or face the consequences.[/QUOTE]
What does this have to do with that comic being wrong or anything? The comic explicitly states "yeah the gubment wont stop yous' shouting nigger", instead decent members of the public will, because you have fuck all reason to be shouting offensive shit in public.
[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;46669899]It's interesting how on Facepunch being offended by something is a cardinal sin worthy of lynching, and if you are offended you are always in the wrong no matter what it is and should get over it.
[editline]8th December 2014[/editline]
Good for you. Do you realize that there are people in the world who have legitimate reasons to be offended by the usage of that word? If someone clearly has a valid reason to be upset by it the polite thing to do would be not to call people retarded.[/QUOTE]
What forms of offence are acceptable? Who do we take seriously?
[QUOTE=codemaster85;46670006] Its fucking garbage and is slowly becoming cultural Marxism.[/QUOTE]
Extrapolate, please, on the what and hows of cultural Marxism.
[QUOTE=codemaster85;46670278]Except everyone should have the right to say what they want period. Censoring and attacking people for their input is bullshit and causes a massive hugbox that prevents others from having independent thought to enforce a single way of thinking or face the consequences.[/QUOTE]
People saying "Hey I don't like that thing you said" isn't censoring. I guess it's "attacking" in a very loose useage of the word but it's certainly not censorship, which would have to be done by someone in power. Free speech specifically is a right protected by the first amendment. The government isn't forcing Chris Rock not to perform, it's college students not finding his humor very funny.
Censorship is a powerful word with a deeply rooted historical context, lets not throw it out willy nilly because a somewhat controversial comedian got boo'ed out of a couple of college auditoriums.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;46670414]Extrapolate, please, on the what and hows of cultural Marxism.
People saying "Hey I don't like that thing you said" isn't censoring. I guess it's "attacking" in a very loose useage of the word but it's certainly not censorship, which would have to be done by someone in power. Free speech specifically is a right protected by the first amendment. The government isn't forcing Chris Rock not to perform, it's college students not finding his humor very funny.
Censorship is a powerful word with a deeply rooted historical context, lets not throw it out willy nilly because a somewhat controversial comedian got boo'ed out of a couple of college auditoriums.[/QUOTE]
Theres online censorship when a site is being DDOSed, reported till said person is banned, having protests to interupt a person talking in public, threatening to get people fired by harassing their employer enough, harassing store outlets from selling or providing some media because it hurts your feelings, and much much much more other ways to prevent others from speaking their opinions or using words. You don't like a person? Fine don't listen to them, but you have no right to essentially censor people by attacking them personally.
The college mindset lately is pushing for try to never push your boundries if it might offend someone. Everything needs to be a hugbox where no one can criticize because you might hurt their feelings while hiding behind trigger words that are beyond ridiculous to justify it. If you don't fall in line, the everyone else will attack you personally to stop you.
[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;46669899]It's interesting how on Facepunch being offended by something is a cardinal sin worthy of lynching, and if you are offended you are always in the wrong no matter what it is and should get over it.
[editline]8th December 2014[/editline]
Good for you. Do you realize that there are people in the world who have legitimate reasons to be offended by the usage of that word? If someone clearly has a valid reason to be upset by it the polite thing to do would be not to call people retarded.[/QUOTE]
Feelings are feelings man. If yours get hurt because someone said a word that triggers an emotional response from you, it means one of two things: either you are overly emotional, or the person saying it is a dick.
I got called out the other night because I said "Dude, the people back home are so Jewish with their pot." There was a guy in the group I hadn't met before and he was like, "Hey man, I'm Jewish, c'mon man." And I apologized, let him know that I didn't mean anything negative about Jews, told him about the bat mitzvahs I'd been to, told him about my Jewish friends, and come to find out, he's half Jewish on his mother's side and hasn't been to any mitzvahs ever. Seriously dude? You're going to call me out on that bullshit when you have no leg to stand on? Yeah, I was in the wrong for using a slightly disparaging term to describe how people act, but was it was a turn of phrase, not an indictment of all Jews everywhere.
People need to calm down and be proud of whatever heritage they have, and if other people are being rude or disparaging, and they have reason to be offended, call the offender out on it, show them why they are wrong, and move on.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;46670384]What forms of offence are acceptable? Who do we take seriously?[/QUOTE]
Call me old fashioned but if I met someone who thought a word was offensive I would try at the very least to not use it in their presence. It's not hard, just seems like basic respect to me.
Obviously this is supremely difficult and unrealistic for a comedian but I'm talking about the average joe.
[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;46669899]It's interesting how on Facepunch being offended by something is a cardinal sin worthy of lynching, and if you are offended you are always in the wrong no matter what it is and should get over it.[/QUOTE]
I don't think it's people being offended, as much as it is people being offended on behalf of other people that people have an issue with.
"I, as a man, am offended on behalf of women, and I think that GTA V being taken off store shelves is a good thing."
"I, as a white person, am offended on behalf of black people when a black comedian makes a joke. I don't think these jokes should be made."
It's basically become an excuse to shout down at people with whom you disagree with before the debate even begins.
Somewhat related to all this, I found this to be an interesting read.
[quote]So at one of the highest seats of learning on Earth, the democratic principle of free and open debate, of allowing differing opinions to slog it out in full view of discerning citizens, has been violated, and students have been rebranded as fragile creatures, overgrown children who need to be guarded against any idea that might prick their souls or challenge their prejudices. One of the censorious students actually boasted about her role in shutting down the debate, wearing her intolerance like a badge of honour in an Independent article in which she argued that, ‘[U]The idea that in a free society absolutely everything should be open to debate has a detrimental effect on marginalised groups.[/U]’
[url]http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/9376232/free-speech-is-so-last-century-todays-students-want-the-right-to-be-comfortable/[/url][/quote]
[QUOTE=Venezuelan;46668595]No clearly somehow a generation that grew up with MTV and South Park have become the PC Gestapo[/QUOTE]
They became the tyrany of political correctness because everyone's obcessed in being nice and in showing everyone else they are nice people.
At least thats the way I see it. Might be completely wrong because I base myself around GG and other sjw related incidents which seem to be made up of people who never gave a damn about any good cause, and suddenly are all up in arms spitting out spoon-fed words and phrases in everyone's sight.
I think it's fine that kids on campus are that way because it's the university's job to be oversensitive, to get people to overcompensate for a while, to be ahead of the curve of the rest of society with regards to social issues and live purely in ideas. Hopefully, students emerge at the end of it and readjust to social norms and standards and not academic ones, and find the golden middle. Chris Rock is completely right, but so are students because both are exercising perfectly valid modes of thinking. A lot of kids in college are mentally engaged with issues ranging from genocide to racism every single day and you can't always just snap in and out of it, especially when you're still physically in the same place as you are when you study.
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;46670496]I don't think it's people being offended, as much as it is people being offended on behalf of other people that people have an issue with.
"I, as a man, am offended on behalf of women, and I think that GTA V being taken off store shelves is a good thing."
"I, as a white person, am offended on behalf of black people when a black comedian makes a joke. I don't think these jokes should be made."
It's basically become an excuse to shout down at people with whom you disagree with before the debate even begins.
Somewhat related to all this, I found this to be an interesting read.[/QUOTE]
This.
Also, to try and get laid.
I know this sounds like a really bad thing to say, and I think I'm half wrong and half right about it. I'm pretty damn sure someone has started to give a crap about "being offended on behalf of someone else" just so they could fall in good grace.
[QUOTE=codemaster85;46670465]Theres online censorship when a site is being DDOSed,
reported till said person is banned,
having protests to interupt a person talking in public,
threatening to get people fired by harassing their employer enough,
harassing store outlets from selling or providing some media because it hurts your feelings[/QUOTE]
Vandalism, not censorship
Not censorship.
Not censorship, definitely free speech. Rude as heck, but not censorship.
Not censorship, but supporting censorship (the censor would be the employer, not people who complain to the employer)
Not censorship, but supporting censorship (see above)
[QUOTE=codemaster85;46670465]
You don't like a person? Fine don't listen to them, but you have no right to essentially censor people by attacking them personally.
[/QUOTE]
So criticism of someones speech isn't allowed? Honestly it seems like you are the one building an anti-free speech hugbox here.
[QUOTE=codemaster85;46670465]
The college mindset lately is pushing for try to never push your boundries if it might offend someone. Everything needs to be a hugbox where no one can criticize because you might hurt their feelings while hiding behind trigger words that are beyond ridiculous to justify it. If you don't fall in line, the everyone else will attack you personally to stop you.[/QUOTE]
This is not the "college mindset", atleast not any college I've been to.
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;46670496]I don't think it's people being offended, as much as it is people being offended on behalf of other people that people have an issue with.
"I, as a man, am offended on behalf of women, and I think that GTA V being taken off store shelves is a good thing."
"I, as a white person, am offended on behalf of black people when a black comedian makes a joke. I don't think these jokes should be made."
It's basically become an excuse to shout down at people with whom you disagree with before the debate even begins.
Somewhat related to all this, I found this to be an interesting read.[/QUOTE]
I think being offended on behalf of other people isn't a bad or unusual thing; it's entirely possible to be offended by something that doesn't apply to you, and I'm going out on a limb by assuming that everyone's felt that way about something like that before, eg a racist joke.
While I agree with you on kinda a base level, I think that the jump you're making in by equating the "offended for others" people with the angry Australian parents is not very fair, as it dismisses the possibility of people who fit that demographic people are "fighting" for. That's just IN GENERAL, though; I don't yhink it applies to the GTA thing that well.
Since the weird Australia Target thing is kind of a one sided issue , let me talk about the Redskins for a sec. I'd say the majority of people I know that are offended by the mascot are not of immediate native descent, but that doesn't make their criticism any less valid. When you do something like dismiss ALL criticism because of the primarily white audience (which is something I've seen here dozens of times) or by claiming that they're only doing it for a superfluous reason, you're effectively glossing over the people who fit that demographic, or who have a more personal stake in the issue.
i don't consider becoming more conscious of other peoples feelings a bad thing
I may have made a few mistakes in that big post but my giant sausage fingers aren't dexterious enough to correct them. You've been warned.
but i think people have to go into things with a certain amount of foreknowledge, chris rock is fairly wellknown to be a shock-comedian so if you don't want to be shocked don't see him
[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;46670080]I mean do you or do you not agree with the idea that people have legitimate reasons to be offended by certain words (nigger, retarded, faggot etc.)? Yes or no?[/QUOTE]
Take a look at the SH thread about an advertisement that had striking similarities to the Eric Garner case being pulled to see why this forum's opinion is a rabid "no".
I agree with Rock on this but some of you guys seriously sound crazy.
[QUOTE=milkandcooki;46670622]I think being offended on behalf of other people isn't a bad or unusual thing; it's entirely possible to be offended by something that doesn't apply to you, and I'm going out on a limb by assuming that everyone's felt that way about something like that before, eg a racist joke.
While I agree with you on kinda a base level, I think that the jump you're making in by equating the "offended for others" people with the angry Australian parents is not very fair, as it dismisses the possibility of people who fit that demographic people are "fighting" for. That's just IN GENERAL, though; I don't yhink it applies to the GTA thing that well.
Since the weird Australia Target thing is kind of a one sided issue , let me talk about the Redskins for a sec. I'd say the majority of people I know that are offended by the mascot are not of immediate native descent, but that doesn't make their criticism any less valid. When you do something like dismiss ALL criticism because of the primarily white audience (which is something I've seen here dozens of times) or by claiming that they're only doing it for a superfluous reason, you're effectively glossing over the people who fit that demographic, or who have a more personal stake in the issue.[/QUOTE]
Fair enough, it probably wasn't the best example. What I meant in general was people who are offended on their own or on others' behalves, but then use that viewpoint as a way to discourage others from sharing theirs. Like, I don't wish to dismiss anyone for disagreeing with them or for being offended, I just don't want them to do the same for me.
[QUOTE=TurtleeyFP;46670634]Take a look at the SH thread about an advertisement that had striking similarities to the Eric Garner case being pulled to see why this forum's opinion is a rabid "no".
I agree with Rock on this but some of you guys seriously sound crazy.[/QUOTE]
yeah i think alot of people here take this supposed PC extreme in the opposite direction, where no word can ever be offensive. i think it should be looked at (in this comedian case) like the difference between chris rocks performances (well known shock humour & stuff) and that guy from seinfield that started screaming at black people in the crowd that they were niggers. i think it's not wrong to be offended at the latter but silly to take the former so seriously
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