• Activist interrupts Obama during speech at Pride event
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[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;48062354]remember that the amount of social change we've seen in our lifetime let alone the past 100 years is unprecedented in human history[/QUOTE] Not really? Considering that entire ideologies rose and died, revolutions, two global ideological wars, and god knows how many other uprisings that resulted in notable changes have happened in the last 100 years, we haven't seen jack. A record of 45 years to get from the start of a movement to moderate social acceptance and the baseline for it is not that much in terms of social change. You look at what we've accomplished in terms of social change, and you see we're not that far off: LGBT people still shit on, blacks and latinos still shit on, the poor still shit on. We've gone backwards with the poor, too, interestingly enough. The BLM movement is a direct result of the same sort of BS black people were fighting in the 60s. We ain't done jack. Compare that to the social change under the rise of the nazis, or the communist revolutions, or even revolutions in the Arab Spring, which in many ways for many reasons had immense social changes- for better or worse- over short periods of time. Say what you want about our progress- we are progressing- but it's not fast enough. The worst problems are the ones we avoid, push away, ignore, and don't touch, and we all get a pat on the back because we fixed the easy, shallow ones that give us good feelies in a timespan of a generation or two or more. Wow. So much social change. Call me cynical but I'm not all that impressed. We've still got a long way to go and we're calling it the final victory before we're really out the door.
it's really sad that people have decided to do this so overwhelmingly to obama. bush was rarely interrupted in the same capacity, and the one time that it really gained traction it was just because it was hilarious as someone chucked a shoe at him.
love how everyone shhhhhhed her but she kept talking
What the fuck is she even saying? I can't understand a word.
[QUOTE='[Seed Eater];48062429']Not really? Considering that entire ideologies rose and died, revolutions, two global ideological wars, and god knows how many other uprisings that resulted in notable changes have happened in the last 100 years, we haven't seen jack. A record of 45 years to get from the start of a movement to moderate social acceptance and the baseline for it is not that much in terms of social change. You look at what we've accomplished in terms of social change, and you see we're not that far off: LGBT people still shit on, blacks and latinos still shit on, the poor still shit on. We've gone backwards with the poor, too, interestingly enough. The BLM movement is a direct result of the same sort of BS black people were fighting in the 60s. We ain't done jack. Compare that to the social change under the rise of the nazis, or the communist revolutions, or even revolutions in the Arab Spring, which in many ways for many reasons had immense social changes- for better or worse- over short periods of time. Say what you want about our progress- we are progressing- but it's not fast enough. The worst problems are the ones we avoid, push away, ignore, and don't touch, and we all get a pat on the back because we fixed the easy, shallow ones that give us good feelies in a timespan of a generation or two or more. Wow. So much social change. Call me cynical but I'm not all that impressed. We've still got a long way to go and we're calling it the final victory before we're really out the door.[/QUOTE] That is kind of the point, in the past 100 years we have had two wars that spanned such vast areas and influences that they are simply titled world war 1 and 2. There was no precedent for wars of such scale. Until world war 1 war was somewhat predictable, after it nobody knew how wars would be fought, everyone predicted how things would proceed in their own manners and innovated. World war 2 clashed those predicted development paths together on a scale that even then was unheard of, including tactics that were never even fathomed by those that they were brought upon. The blitzkrieg, fully automatic infantry weapons as a common tool, highly mobile mechanized combat, aircraft, instant and unwired communication from the field, and the shaped charge. The one thing that ties all those changes together:public knowledge of the atrocities that occurred, and that the enemy could strike anywhere at any time without even marching an army to you or even standing on the same landmass as you. The past 100 years we went from one of the most chaotic periods ever to one of the more peaceful, Where the largest countries aren't just averse to challenging each other directly, they are afraid of it. Until recently, there was no way for a country that spans a continent to be destroyed in a single day. To put it simply, in the past 100 years we went from being ignorant of what atrocities occur in the world to wishing that we didn't know. We see these atrocities and to push to make them go away to make ourselves more comfortable, because we don't want things that we consider bad to occur. Now it is very hard to not know about atrocities or even discrimination. It depends on how comfortable a person is with these occurring to see any change.
I support what she did and it looks like it worked, it has gotten the attention of congress men and women and they are calling for it to stop, the fact is this brought it to the general attention of the media and the public and I hope good can come of this. [url]http://fusion.net/story/156821/35-congress-members-tell-obama-administration-to-end-lgbt-immigration-detention/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=socialshare&utm_content=desktop+top[/url] For those who don't know how bad trans immigrants are treated, they are either put in the male section and abused and raped by both detainees and the guards, to show how bad this image shows how frequent the abuse is for trans women. They are also sometimes put into solitary confinement to keep them "out of harms way" although I am sure most people here know the psychological damage solitary confinement causes. They are also not allowed to detain those who would be put at harm by being detained: [QUOTE]“The fact that ICE is ignoring its own policies not to detain individuals who will be in harm’s way is ultimately enabling the sexual assault of LGBT individuals. [/QUOTE] [IMG]http://i1.wp.com/fusiondotnet.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/trans-women-detention-centers.png?w=740&quality=80&strip=all[/IMG] Source: Government Accountability Office Report, Immigration Detention, Additional Actions Could Strengthen DHS Efforts to Address Sexual Abuse To go into it further: [QUOTE]LGBT and HIV-positive detainees also receive inadequate medicare care in immigration detention facilities. In 2007, an HIV-positive female transgender Mexican immigrant “died while shackled to a bed” after officials refused to give her medical attention and her medication, the Washington Post reported at the time. Transgender detainees have also noted that they are sometimes denied hormone treatment, in violation of the Eight Amendment’s requirement that they receive “adequate medicare care” in detention.[/QUOTE] This and other stories of how trans people are treated here, bear in mind these are people fleeing countries where it is illegal to be trans or live in a country where they are highly discriminated against and abused. [url]https://www.oximity.com/article/The-Truth-About-The-Heckler-At-The-Whi-1[/url]
[QUOTE=deadoon;48063263]That is kind of the point, in the past 100 years we have had two wars that spanned such vast areas and influences that they are simply titled world war 1 and 2. There was no precedent for wars of such scale. Until world war 1 war was somewhat predictable, after it nobody knew how wars would be fought, everyone predicted how things would proceed in their own manners and innovated. World war 2 clashed those predicted development paths together on a scale that even then was unheard of, including tactics that were never even fathomed by those that they were brought upon. The blitzkrieg, fully automatic infantry weapons as a common tool, highly mobile mechanized combat, aircraft, instant and unwired communication from the field, and the shaped charge. The one thing that ties all those changes together:public knowledge of the atrocities that occurred, and that the enemy could strike anywhere at any time without even marching an army to you or even standing on the same landmass as you. The past 100 years we went from one of the most chaotic periods ever to one of the more peaceful, Where the largest countries aren't just averse to challenging each other directly, they are afraid of it. Until recently, there was no way for a country that spans a continent to be destroyed in a single day. To put it simply, in the past 100 years we went from being ignorant of what atrocities occur in the world to wishing that we didn't know. We see these atrocities and to push to make them go away to make ourselves more comfortable, because we don't want things that we consider bad to occur. Now it is very hard to not know about atrocities or even discrimination. It depends on how comfortable a person is with these occurring to see any change.[/QUOTE] this was what i was getting at, before about 1300, you could see hundreds if not thousands of years go by with no real social change. from then to the 18th and 19th centuries, it still took about 50 years between major changes. it has only really been in the last 100 years that we've seen social progress at this pace. there has almost been no other time in human history in which the world is as radically different from the beginning of someone's life to the end of it. my point was that we've been born into a world in which technology allows for this radical social change, but this pace is nkt at all somethkng that has been common in human history [editline]27th June 2015[/editline] a man transplanted from 10,000 BCE would have a far easier time adapting to society in 4,000 BCE than a man from 1915 would have being transplanted to 2015. the same goes for a man from the early days of the Roman Republic to the last years of the Roman Empire, or a man from the 9th century to the 14th century.
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[QUOTE=Alex Rider;48047743]Even if the activist has some degree of truth in their words, interrupting a speech that is still a positive step in the right direction is pretty low.[/QUOTE] Wait, so if the speech wasn't neccessarily in a 'positive' direction it would be OK to interrupt? Speeches shouldn't be interrupted period unless there's something important. It's respect.
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