• Hunter Becomes the Hunted: Elephant kills its hunter
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[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;47553396]This is like cheering the death of a deer or duck hunter.[/QUOTE] Still valid.
So apparently all this about "him being a rich prick, just killing it for sport" may be wrong. He was apparently a guide for a bunch of people taking a hunting trip so... yeah he wasn't the hunter he was just the tracker and doing his job. [url]http://www.examiner.com/article/ian-gibson-trampled-the-truth-behind-hunter-gibson-killed-by-mad-bull-elephant[/url]
[QUOTE=Npc_Hydra3;47557181]So apparently all this about "him being a rich prick, just killing it for sport" may be wrong. He was apparently a guide for a bunch of people taking a hunting trip so... yeah he wasn't the hunter he was just the tracker and doing his job. [url]http://www.examiner.com/article/ian-gibson-trampled-the-truth-behind-hunter-gibson-killed-by-mad-bull-elephant[/url][/QUOTE] other articles explicitly say he was a hunter [url]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/professional-big-game-hunter-ian-gibson-crushed-to-death-by-elephant-during-hunt-10186864.html[/url] [QUOTE]He said Mr Gibson became a hunter 25-years-ago and was “fit and strong”, despite only having only one leg. [B]He had already killed a leopard during the hunt.[/B][/QUOTE]
You jackasses. Professional game hunts like these cost hundreds of thousands to do. This money is used to protect the wildlife of Africa. You guys rating winner only shows how fucking ignorant and sensationalist you are.
[QUOTE=Dr.Critic;47553388]I still don't approve of the practice but the Elephant is not like the Rhino, most species of which are at critical levels[/QUOTE] And how did said Rhino population reach critical levels?
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;47555285]Like am I some sort of monster thinking that this was bad? If there was an almost exist animal and some guy who wants to kill said exist animal hanging on a ledge, and I can only save one. I would have to save that one guy. I said this before but fp is really weird when it comes to comparing the life of a human and the life of an animal.[/QUOTE] That's funny because by the same logic that elephants need to die to preserve elephants, biodiversity on planet earth is more important than saving a single human. In the long run reduction in biodiversity is going to fuck us bad. I'd pick the animal every time. There's more humans within a few miles of where I live than there are all Megafauna on the planet right now.
[QUOTE=WTFTY;47558795]And how did said Rhino population reach critical levels?[/QUOTE] Through unrestricted poaching. AKA not what is happening here. You might as well be using the extinction of the passenger pigeon to say that hunting deer is immoral.
[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;47559209]That's funny because by the same logic that elephants need to die to preserve elephants, biodiversity on planet earth is more important than saving a single human. In the long run reduction in biodiversity is going to fuck us bad. I'd pick the animal every time. There's more humans within a few miles of where I live than there are all Megafauna on the planet right now.[/QUOTE] [URL="http://www.peta.org/"]Fucking incredible.[/URL] I don't care what animal it was that he was tracking, some reports saying an elephant, some reports saying it was a lion. People are fucking cheering over someone's death because he was hunting an animal, it's absolute insanity that people are cheering his death. Are my morals skewed or something? Am I some sort of bad person for feeling bad for some guy's death?
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;47559748][URL="http://www.peta.org/"]Fucking incredible.[/URL] I don't care what animal it was that he was tracking, some reports saying an elephant, some reports saying it was a lion. People are fucking cheering over someone's death because he was hunting an animal, it's absolute insanity that people are cheering his death. Are my morals skewed or something? Am I some sort of bad person for feeling bad for some guy's death?[/QUOTE] Your morals are fine but what you used as an example is retarded. If a poacher is trying to kill an animal that is the last of it's kind and both are falling off the cliff, it would be beneficial to humanity to let the poacher fall. That's a lot different from the example in the OP but I'm sure you are aware of this. Are you really not understanding that there is an actual benefit to maintaining biodiversity and the survival of the human species? The more species we lose the less genetic variety we have at our disposal for medicine, ecosystem protection, research, food, etc That is pretty basic stuff and it's not an extremist point of view so thanks for linking to PETA for no reason. Your example sucked.
Except the animal in the op wasn't the last elephant on earth and he's not a poacher like if you're going to start using this "benefit to humanity" bullshit then i can do it to lets kill all fat people because it's a benefit for humanity; fat people do nothing, they eat all our resources and contribute nothing to society hell lets kill anyone who retired from working, they're now useless, they don't do anything but sit there and be old how about we kill people who have a terminal illness, they're pretty much dead already so why bother throwing money into the false hope of curing them????
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;47560027]Except the animal in the op wasn't the last elephant on earth and he's not a poacher like if you're going to start using this "benefit to humanity" bullshit then i can do it to lets kill all fat people because it's a benefit for humanity; fat people do nothing, they eat all our resources and contribute nothing to society hell lets kill anyone who retired from working, they're now useless, they don't do anything but sit there and be old how about we kill people who have a terminal illness, they're pretty much dead already so why bother throwing money into the false hope of curing them????[/QUOTE] Yeah good point man, but then again, neither of them were falling off cliffs either. Like I said, your example was stupid.
What would be a better example??? An elephant was shot by a hunter. The elephant is now aggressive, and is retaliating. You have the power to kill that elephant before the elephant kills the hunter. I would make the choice to save the hunter 100% of the time. Because there is only one "neutral" outcome if you don't save the hunter (putting it in quotation marks because it really isn't), the hunter dies and he doesn't get to kill the elephant. You then live the rest of your life knowing that you valued an elephant's life over a human's life. The best outcome is saving the hunter. You fucking saved a sentient human from dying. You killed an elephant, we've been killing animals since we've existed on this planet.
he looked scummy too
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;47560158]What would be a better example??? An elephant was shot by a hunter. The elephant is now aggressive, and is retaliating. You have the power to kill that elephant before the elephant kills the hunter. I would make the choice to save the hunter 100% of the time. Because there is only one "neutral" outcome if you don't save the hunter (putting it in quotation marks because it really isn't), the hunter dies and he doesn't get to kill the elephant. You then live the rest of your life knowing that you valued an elephant's life over a human's life. The best outcome is saving the hunter. You fucking saved a sentient human from dying. You killed an elephant, we've been killing animals since we've existed on this planet.[/QUOTE] Your example cited a near extinct animal falling off a cliff and a person hunting the animal falling off the cliff. Completely fucking different to African Bush Elephants which are NOT near extinct. As mentioned a bunch of times in this thread, they license the hunters to kill the elephants to use the money for their conservatories. Now get this cause it might shatter your perception of humanity. If the African Bush elephant [B]was[/B] critically endangered, then those same local governments would actually [B]not[/B] license hunters to kill them, therefore in your example it [B]would[/B] be a poacher. Now this is where it gets a little crazy so hold on! If the African Bush Elephant was actually critically endagered, those local governments would actually hire men to [B]kill[/B] that poacher. Yup, I must be coming from an extremist mind set to value near extinct megafauna life over a poacher's despite the fact that that is exactly what African governments routinely do to save them from extinction. Lucky thing this isn't your job right? [IMG]http://www.poyi.org/69/photos/02/69-02-StirB-B-11.jpg[/IMG] Seriously dude, it's not that crazy of a concept.
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;47553396]This was a legal hunt. Elephants are not endangered. This is like cheering the death of a deer or duck hunter.[/QUOTE] If you try killing another living being and it winds up getting the better of you and killing you in the process you sort of have it coming. You can't expect to try and kill something and not have it, y'know, want to put up a fight to survive. All bets are off the second you try to kill another animal; it's survival of the fittest at that point, and if it wins... so be it. Don't start what you can't finish.
[QUOTE=DaMastez;47555421]There's plenty of humans, and the human in your hypothetical example made the conscious decision to hunt that nearly extinct animal; the animal on the other hand is (presumably) only "guilty" of being a rare--and thus valuable--animal. Fuck that human; I'd pick the animal every time.[/QUOTE] wtf are elephants more sentient than humans or am i missing something???
[QUOTE=sltungle;47560260]If you try killing another living being and it winds up getting the better of you and killing you in the process you sort of have it coming. You can't expect to try and kill something and not have it, y'know, want to put up a fight to survive. All bets are off the second you try to kill another animal; it's survival of the fittest at that point, and if it wins... so be it. Don't start what you can't finish.[/QUOTE] I can agree with this. Can't blame the elephant can you.
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;47553396][b]This was a legal hunt[/b]. Elephants are not endangered. This is like cheering the death of a deer or duck hunter.[/QUOTE] Yeah, well, lots of heinous acts were legal at one point in time in one place or another, like killing Jews, or owning people and beating the shit out of them for not working their fingers to the bone. Legal status =/= moral or right. [editline]20th April 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=goldenbuttocks;47560531]wtf are elephants more sentient than humans or am i missing something???[/QUOTE] You're missing something because no one said anything about that.
[QUOTE=Sungrazer;47562090]Yeah, well, lots of heinous acts were legal at one point in time in one place or another, like killing Jews, or owning people and beating the shit out of them for not working their fingers to the bone. Legal status =/= moral or right.[/QUOTE] You forgot to bold the part where the elephants are not endangered. Or the fact that sometimes elephant populations need controlling.
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;47559748][URL="http://www.peta.org/"]Fucking incredible.[/URL] I don't care what animal it was that he was tracking, some reports saying an elephant, some reports saying it was a lion. People are fucking cheering over someone's death because he was hunting an animal, it's absolute insanity that people are cheering his death. Are my morals skewed or something? Am I some sort of bad person for feeling bad for some guy's death?[/QUOTE] He was murdering an innocent animal and got what was coming to him. It's called karma/justice. [editline]20th April 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Deng;47562100]You forgot to bold the part where the elephants are not endangered. Or the fact that sometimes elephant populations need controlling.[/QUOTE] You forgot the part where I don't give a shit. The animal has a right to live and a right to defend itself and it did just that. Sucks to be the hunter, shouldn't have been trying to murder a living creature.
[QUOTE=Sungrazer;47562109]He was murdering an innocent animal and got what was coming to him. It's called karma/justice. You forgot the part where I don't give a shit. The animal has a right to live and a right to defend itself and it did just that. Sucks to be the hunter, shouldn't have been trying to murder a living creature.[/QUOTE] Idk if that's justice. Somebody died, and they weren't doing anything really wrong, unless you disagree with the entire concept of hunting.
[QUOTE=Deng;47562124]Idk if that's justice. Somebody died, and they weren't doing anything really wrong, unless you disagree with the entire concept of hunting.[/QUOTE] Of course I do. And how is it not justice? Man wanted to kill animal, animal didn't want to die, animal killed man. Self defense. Holds up in court for people, don't see why an animal defending itself isn't fair just because we decided it was okay for the man to kill him.
[QUOTE=Sungrazer;47562130]Of course I do. And how is it not justice? Man wanted to kill animal, animal didn't want to die, animal killed man. Self defense. Holds up in court for people, don't see why an animal defending itself isn't fair just because we decided it was okay for the man to kill him.[/QUOTE] Well elephants can be actually rather dangerous and are difficult to control, so sometimes people have to shoot elephants to stop them causing bigger problems down the road.
[QUOTE=Sungrazer;47562130]Of course I do. And how is it not justice? Man wanted to kill animal, animal didn't want to die, animal killed man. Self defense. Holds up in court for people, don't see why an animal defending itself isn't fair just because we decided it was okay for the man to kill him.[/QUOTE] Yet when a dog bites someone because they didn't know how to react, we put it down, but that's called "bad animal behavior", and people like you aren't standing up to the injustice, are you? No, of course you aren't.
[QUOTE=Deng;47562155]Well elephants can be actually rather dangerous and are difficult to control, so sometimes people have to shoot elephants to stop them causing bigger problems down the road.[/QUOTE] So are humans. Who is taking care of us?
[QUOTE=Sungrazer;47562161]So are humans. Who is taking care of us?[/QUOTE] You're missing the point.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;47562159]Yet when a dog bites someone because they didn't know how to react, we put it down, but that's called "bad animal behavior", and people like you aren't standing up to the injustice, are you? No, of course you aren't.[/QUOTE] Dogs and cats are killed and eaten in some Asian countries, or horse meat is found in some burgers and everyone loses their minds, but kill billions of cows/chickens/lambs/fish every year so you can eat and I don't see you standing up to that injustice. Of course you aren't.
[QUOTE=Sungrazer;47562190]Dogs and cats are killed and eaten in some Asian countries, or horse meat is found in some burgers and everyone loses their minds, but kill billions of cows/chickens/lambs/fish every year so you can eat and I don't see you standing up to that injustice. Of course you aren't.[/QUOTE] Not what I'm saying. You're talking self defense. You're clearly going to dodge the questions because you don't know how to answer them, so there's no point in arguing circularly with you.
[QUOTE=Deng;47562172]You're missing the point.[/QUOTE] No, I'm not. You're saying it's legal to hunt for population control and because the animals cause problems. How am I missing the point? People are arguing that this population needs to be controlled. There are [b][i]7 billion of us[/i][/b] and I'd consider humans to be an invasive species not unlike a virus, spreading all over and using and destroying the surrounding environment and resources. Nobody and nothing has us in check. I don't know why we're so worried about one elephant defending itself by killing one person. He put himself in that situation and he paid the price. [editline]20th April 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Zillamaster55;47562193]Not what I'm saying. You're talking self defense. You're clearly going to dodge the questions because you don't know how to answer them, so there's no point in arguing circularly with you.[/QUOTE] You built a strawman argument. There's no logic in that, so why would I answer it logically?
[QUOTE=Sungrazer;47562203]No, I'm not. You're saying it's legal to hunt for population control and because the animals cause problems. How am I missing the point? People are arguing that this population needs to be controlled. There are [b][i]7 billion of us[/i][/b] and I'd consider humans to be an invasive species not unlike a virus, spreading all over and using and destroying the surrounding environment and resources. Nobody and nothing has us in check.[/quote] Despite your misanthropy, that is not the argument. We are looking at elephants and population control. Should we be allowed to control elephant populations by hunting? [quote]I don't know why we're so worried about one elephant defending itself by killing one person. He put himself in that situation and he paid the price.[/QUOTE] Would you be more upset if the elephant was killed?
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