• France's bold drink driving legislation - every car to carry a breathalyzer
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[QUOTE=BigOwl;34898977]oh god not an iCar[/QUOTE] That would be claustrophobic. There wouldn't be any windows on the thing!
[QUOTE=confinedUser;34906430]you've probably only seen one state, yes i agree in some states people are completely shitty at driving here in america but in states say like alaska people are actually intelligent and use chains on their wheels to keep control during winter and apply their knowledge of roads and such.[/QUOTE] I've driver across America - over multiple states. I haven't driven in Alaska, so I can't comment, but without a doubt in my mind, they automatically have a much more critical role in their driving due to their location and weather conditions. [QUOTE=confinedUser;34906430]Other states like texas people are dumb as fuck and can't drive for shit. I know this because I lived in both states and between the transition of the two states texas is in my opinion the worst drivers. So before you go automatically blaming the united states for shitty driving actually do research, not all the states have bad drivers.[/QUOTE] And of course, not every person from those states are going to be a bad driver either. But it stems from the manner in which people are handed a licence, the enforcement of such rules etc. I don't mean to accuse Americans of all being bad drivers, just the lack of enforcement, and the lack of any proper driver training schemes results in poor and often unsafe driving. You can't have high speeds, as of course many people would like, if you don't enforce any proper lane or speed discipline. Australians, where I'm from, are no better at driving. We often fail at our legal obligation to keep left (drive on the left), and can sometimes find ourselves merging into the fastest lane of traffic on the freeway, because the right hand lanes are packed full of people with no idea how to drive. We have no driver training, and no proper enforcement of the law, unless you're speeding. It's dangerous situation, that needs to be fixed with some European style teaching and enforcement.
And the sale of compressed air will sky-rocket.
[QUOTE=SweetSwifter;34906727]And the sale of compressed air will sky-rocket.[/QUOTE] These aren't interlocking devices. You don't need to blow into them to turn the ignition. They're basically nanny legislation, ensuring that if someone gets into a situation where they've had a few drinks, they have easy access to a breathalyser.
[QUOTE=TestECull;34906309] So basically, no. That person who can take over in an emergency would be a pilot, thus, you would insist a pilot be on board the airplane. You wouldn't trust your life to [i]just[/i] the computers. [/QUOTE] I'm not exactly sure what your point is. From what I have seen no driverless cars currently in development don't have the option to have a manual mode or a requirement to have someone at the wheel.
[QUOTE=McCarthy;34901594]Why the fuck not? what gives you the right to determine how fast i go? Speed limits were set for the most part in the 1950's-1960's during a time when there was a fuel crisis and cars were much less safe at speed than today.[/QUOTE] You, however, are not mentally capable of reacting fast enough to a situation when you're speeding that fast. I seriously hope you get into an accident at high speeds, but survive it and learn that you're a human, not a bloody machine.
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[QUOTE=nikomo;34907297]You, however, are not mentally capable of reacting fast enough to a situation when you're speeding that fast. I seriously hope you get into an accident at high speeds, but survive it and learn that you're a human, not a bloody machine.[/QUOTE] god you're a cunt
[QUOTE=GunFox;34899793]If the vehicle in the lane next to you is going the speed limit, and you are going the speed limit, then overtaking them would be impossible. Slowing down would be ill advised and dangerous when there is a large truck coming up on you. There are always reasons to break the law and there need to be police officers on the ground using discretion for it to be an effective system. Blind justice isn't justice. Replacement bulbs can cost 90-150 bucks for exotic lamps. This is a significant sum of money for an item that can possibly be damaged for the extended period it rolls around in your trunk. It is just generally very silly.[/QUOTE] I have never seen a speed camera capture someone, unless he was going atleast 10 km/h faster than the speed limit. There's a reason why, so you can overtake people without getting a ticket. [editline]28th February 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=McCarthy;34901594]Why the fuck not? what gives you the right to determine how fast i go? Speed limits were set for the most part in the 1950's-1960's during a time when there was a fuel crisis and cars were much less safe at speed than today.[/QUOTE] Because your reaction speed doesn't get any better over age. You will still react at least 0.2 seconds later than you'd actually need to, which means you're atleast 7 meters further. When going about 80mph, you will have to brake for more than 7 seconds to come to a complete stop, which means you'd be over 100 meters further away from where you started braking. I hope you encounter a big solid wall in the fog while driving. You are why I hate most drivers. [editline]28th February 2012[/editline] And that's in a perfect scenario. [editline]28th February 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Captain Lawlrus;34905756]Why should I be forced to stop drinking because of a small minority of drinkers that choose to drive intoxicated?[/QUOTE] Because Alcohol is a real poison.
[QUOTE=GunFox;34899793]If the vehicle in the lane next to you is going the speed limit, and you are going the speed limit, then overtaking them would be impossible. Slowing down would be ill advised and dangerous when there is a large truck coming up on you. There are always reasons to break the law and there need to be police officers on the ground using discretion for it to be an effective system. Blind justice isn't justice. Replacement bulbs can cost 90-150 bucks for exotic lamps. This is a significant sum of money for an item that can possibly be damaged for the extended period it rolls around in your trunk. It is just generally very silly.[/QUOTE] You don't sound like you know what you're talking about when it comes to bulbs... unless you're buying factory HID replacements from the dealer, there's no way they'd be any more than $30 for a set of bulbs. Regular halogens are dirt cheap, and replacement HID's are often CHEAPER than a set of halogens, ballasts included. I see nothing wrong with having a mandated bag in your car with necessary equipment. If you're driving at night and your headlights go out in pouring rain, I'd much rather have made a $50 investment and have spare bulbs in my trunk than risk driving another 2 hours to the nearest auto store, or simply waiting for AAA to get me. It takes 30 seconds in any car, 15 for each side, tops, to swap a damn headlight. I honestly think you're complaining for the sake of complaining. Oh, and no car pre-2007 is going to have LED tails, and if they do, they're aftermarket, and they're probably not carb legal, so tough skittles if you don't know how to replace them. I'm sure anyone with factory LED's will be exempt from the law. Your headlights, however, are not LED's.
[QUOTE=joost1120;34909222]Because your reaction speed doesn't get any better over age. You will still react at least 0.2 seconds later than you'd actually need to, which means you're atleast 7 meters further. When going about 80mph, you will have to brake for more than 7 seconds to come to a complete stop, which means you'd be over 100 meters further away from where you started braking. I hope you encounter a big solid wall in the fog while driving. You are why I hate most drivers. [editline]28th February 2012[/editline] And that's in a perfect scenario. [editline]28th February 2012[/editline] Because Alcohol is a real poison.[/QUOTE] okay i have 2 problems with this post 1 you're wishing ill on someone over a disagreement on speed limits. that just makes you an asshole. 2 alcohol owns and if you don't like it: don't drink it. it's really easy to tell at what point you can't drive and the people that do are idiots and deserve to get caught drunk driving (notice how i don't wish they get in a wreck unlike you)
[QUOTE=McCarthy;34901594]Why the fuck not? what gives you the right to determine how fast i go? Speed limits were set for the most part in the 1950's-1960's during a time when there was a fuel crisis and cars were much less safe at speed than today.[/QUOTE] Holy shit you're dumb as heck
[QUOTE=McCarthy;34901411]Oh god, so you're one of those people who pull into the fast lane to pass a guy going 65 by going 66, leaving me who was going 80 to have to slam on the brakes and wait while you slowly wander oast him, stay in my lane for an extended period only to finally cruise back in to the slow lane.[/QUOTE] No, it was just an example. I usually drive 70-73 on the interstate. And if I see someone catching up to me while I'm about to pass another car I'll speed up even more. I hate being held up by people slowly passing another car, so I try not to do it to other people.
[QUOTE=DogGunn;34906172]Nah they're disposable, as in the whole kit is. I'm assuming there some safeguard. Surely they wouldn't have left such a big loophole.[/QUOTE] The breathalyzers I've seen here have an attachable mouthpeice that is replaced after use
[QUOTE=lavacano;34905504]I personally think we should remove alcohol. US Prohibition had the right idea but executed it wrong. First, we need to establish a limit on how much someone drinks within a certain timeframe. Make it rather high to start. Then gradually (say every two years) bring it down lower and lower and lower until eventually we make it zero. Yes there will still be people drinking alcohol illegally. But we won't have the huge surge in crime rate we had last time when we just said "fuck it ALL ALCOHOL IS ILLEGAL PERIOD STARTING NOW".[/QUOTE] just out of curiosity how many parties/social events have you been to?
[QUOTE=DogGunn;34906172] There needs to be a speed limit set, especially in a country with no driver training whatsoever, such as the US, because people will get themselves into situations they cannot handle.[/QUOTE] I don't know what you're talking about. I took a full semester class in high school on driving before I was allowed to get my license. I don't know how driver education in the US compares to Europe but (at least in Illinois, dunno about other states) it's far from "no driver training whatsoever". [editline]28th February 2012[/editline] Additionally, I took a driving test during that class (as well as some practice driving with the instructor). I actually failed it the first time because I forgot to use a turn signal when I parked on the side of a road and started going again. So it's not like they just hand you your license. And Illinois had a law that I had to drive for about 50 hours with my parents on my learner's permit before I could get my license. Of course your parents could fake it and say you did it, but mine didn't.
[QUOTE=GunFox;34899793]If the vehicle in the lane next to you is going the speed limit, and you are going the speed limit, then overtaking them would be impossible. Slowing down would be ill advised and dangerous when there is a large truck coming up on you. There are always reasons to break the law and there need to be police officers on the ground using discretion for it to be an effective system. Blind justice isn't justice. Replacement bulbs can cost 90-150 bucks for exotic lamps. This is a significant sum of money for an item that can possibly be damaged for the extended period it rolls around in your trunk. It is just generally very silly.[/QUOTE] Trucks have a much lower speed limit than cars in the Netherlands and I'm sure in the rest of the EU as well.
[QUOTE=McCarthy;34901594]Why the fuck not? what gives you the right to determine how fast i go? Speed limits were set for the most part in the 1950's-1960's during a time when there was a fuel crisis and cars were much less safe at speed than today.[/QUOTE] are you retarded no seriously legitimate question are you actually retarded
reminds me of that Scrubs episode where JD had that on his scooter and when you had drank alcohol, blown into it, the scooter wouldn't turn on for 24 hours
[QUOTE=DogGunn;34906562]I've driver across America - over multiple states. I haven't driven in Alaska, so I can't comment, but without a doubt in my mind, they automatically have a much more critical role in their driving due to their location and weather conditions. And of course, not every person from those states are going to be a bad driver either. But it stems from the manner in which people are handed a licence, the enforcement of such rules etc. I don't mean to accuse Americans of all being bad drivers, just the lack of enforcement, and the lack of any proper driver training schemes results in poor and often unsafe driving. You can't have high speeds, as of course many people would like, if you don't enforce any proper lane or speed discipline. Australians, where I'm from, are no better at driving. We often fail at our legal obligation to keep left (drive on the left), and can sometimes find ourselves merging into the fastest lane of traffic on the freeway, because the right hand lanes are packed full of people with no idea how to drive. We have no driver training, and no proper enforcement of the law, unless you're speeding. It's dangerous situation, that needs to be fixed with some European style teaching and enforcement.[/QUOTE] I do agree america needs to change their style of teaching.
Wasn't this mentioned on Top Gear? "If you use the breathalyser kit because you thought you might have had a bit too much, and it turns out you didn't. And you are able to drive home. You are breaking the law. As the Breathalyser's are one use."
[QUOTE=nikomo;34907297]You, however, are not mentally capable of reacting fast enough to a situation when you're speeding that fast. I seriously hope you get into an accident at high speeds, but survive it and learn that you're a human, not a bloody machine.[/QUOTE] I've never died doing ninety five and don't plan on starting.
[QUOTE=GunFox;34899312]Wow, spare bulbs? Really? How fucking ridiculous. [/QUOTE] No it fucking isn't, I've had both headlights burn out on me within minutes on a lightless country road miles away from my house and it was fucking horrifying having to rely only on the lights produced by the hazards to guide my way back
[QUOTE=Val67;34898711][IMG]http://i.istockimg.com/file_thumbview_approve/8348061/2/stock-photo-8348061-drunk-driving.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] ... Eric Baudour?
[QUOTE=Grabigel;34902957]Why don't we just have a breathalyzer attached to every vehicle, and you must breathe into it for the vehicle to start, and if it detects that you are over the limit, then it simply won't start.[/QUOTE] You wouldn't dare to eat even a chocolate liquor.
[QUOTE=GunFox;34899587] Ever been a small car on the freeway with 18 wheelers? There are plenty of reasons to speed up and overtake certain vehicles.[/QUOTE] They don't give you a fine if you're driving over the speed limit while trespassing, at least in finland. I don't know how they know it, but that just does not happen. [QUOTE=JohnFisher89;34898940] this will be an easy circumvent "hey kid want to make five pounds? Blow into this for me"[/QUOTE] It's not an alcolock. It's just a breathalyzer and the responsibility to use it is yours.
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