• Study: Disciplinary spanking increases childhood defiance and mental health issues
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[QUOTE=sgman91;50235359]The study is absolutely irrelevant to individual anecdotes. Nothing about it helps the claim that individual cases of spanking will be negative.[/QUOTE] No but see, it's okay for them to use their anecdotes and be political with science because this study has drawn conclusions which back their views. We can't use our anecdotes which contradict it though...
[QUOTE=Govna;50235367]No but see, it's okay for them to use their anecdotes and be political with science because this study has drawn conclusions which back their views. We can't use our anecdotes which contradict it though...[/QUOTE] Am I again not getting the point or are you claiming a few anecdotes are supposed to counter a scientific study?
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;50235414]Am I again not getting the point or are you claiming a few anecdotes are supposed to counter a scientific study?[/QUOTE] A single anecdote of a good use of spanking is a perfectly fine counter to the claim that spanking is always a bad idea. That's the problem with strong claims like that. The counter can be extremely weak and still be effective. (Of course this study isn't making that claim, but plenty of people in this thread seem to think it is. So it still applies.)
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;50235414]Am I again not getting the point or are you claiming a few anecdotes are supposed to counter a scientific study?[/QUOTE] You're not getting the point is all.
i dont think anybody picked up on the fact that my post was simultaneously humorous and indicative of my viewpoints. everyone should ease up on the indignation and relax. anyways, i figured something out. people usually get defensive when you tell them that spanking is abuse (or something along those lines). this is because (for the sample size of "people who use facepunch",) people usually have a good relationship with their parents. the argument that parents who spank are bad parents and that thinking spanking is fine means you're mentally damaged sounds a bit like "your mom's a whore but you're too retarded to know what that is".
No shit it causes children mental health issues. Anyone subject to that form of abuse is going to. I find this absurd. It psychologically conditions the child to either feel fearful or just not want to study. I do not see why people think spanking discipline is effective. Because it's bloody not.
Considering corporal punishment as a whole, I don't really see how some people seem to deny that there is any difference in acceptability in regards to severity. Obviously beating with the intent to cause pain is deplorable, but there's absolutely a difference between that and say, a light tap to the back of a hand in the act of stealing food, accompanied with a stern word.
It's funny, I was one of those people that got hit as a kid and I would always say 'I turned out fine blah blah blah' then it turned out I've got a GANG of mental health issues that were previously undiagnosed
[QUOTE=WillerinV1.02;50235108]my favorite part of this discussion is the fact that the use of anecdotal evidence was addressed in post 2 yet people are still posting anecdotes about how they were beat as kids and turned out fine like they mean anything[/QUOTE] You do realise, that the more "personal anecdotes" appear, the more it turns out into a valid statistic? Because clearly its not one in a thousand figure. [editline]1st May 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=MrJazzy;50235414]Am I again not getting the point or are you claiming a few anecdotes are supposed to counter a scientific study?[/QUOTE] Did you even bother reading his post #122 above? [editline]1st May 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=GisG56;50235629]No shit it causes children mental health issues. Anyone subject to that form of abuse is going to. I find this absurd. It psychologically conditions the child to either feel fearful or just not want to study. I do not see why people think spanking discipline is effective. Because it's bloody not.[/QUOTE] Apparently a lot of Asians will disagree with you, the amount of abuse they put up with their parents is brutal compared to average kid suffering in Western world.
As a kid I got both spankings and lectures, and I have to say I vastly preferred the former to the latter. If my parents were angry or upset with me and gave me a few swats on the ass then it was done and over with. It didn't mean anything beyond what it was. It was like a transaction, practically. What really fucked me up and continues to cause me problems well into my adult life were the lectures. Lectures that would last for hours and would touch every possible issue around the point of "Don't do X" because my parents' frustration needed more time to cook off than if they'd just slapped my ass and gotten it over with. Lectures that would completely assassinate my character and tear me down as they attacked things they knew I was self-conscious about. Telling me to sit down and shut up while they insulted me. That's the shit that when I think about it ten or fifteen years later makes me want to punch a hole in a wall. I'm not saying that spanking did me any good. It's definitely not the ideal method of disciplining a child. But I think spanking is becoming a scapegoat for the dozens of other bad parenting practices that are out there that people aren't focusing on. Raising a child is a lot more complex than some binary decision of "yes spank" or "no spank" and I think it's important to emphasize that the definition of "good parent" doesn't stop there. That being said I'm not ever going to have children.
[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;50234749]When I was a little kid, I think, it was either 3 or 4 years old, me and my parents were standing at the pedestrian stop light and waiting until it goes green. Since I was a very nasty brat, my parents still held me at my hands, and kept telling me "Raven, don't go. Wait until the red light switches to green" several times. At the end, I still decided to go for it, coincidentally, right under a car. My dad, when recollecting, said that when he snatched me as hard as he could and pulled me out, he heard that my feet/boots slashed on the car a little bit. I got spanked right after that happened and it taught me a good lesson not to fuck with the stoplights while I was still a little kid. And I can say that, giving all circumstances, it was perfectly justified. [/QUOTE] Are you sure that it was the spanking that made you learn that lesson and not [i]being inches from being badly injured or killed by a fucking car?[/i] Believe it or not kids have the capacity to learn and to understand that things are dangerous and getting hurt is bad without needing you to physically beat it into them. I would think that almost being hit by a car would be more than enough to make you understand why what you did was a bad idea regardless of whether or not you were spanked afterward.
[QUOTE=Geikkamir;50242331]Are you sure that it was the spanking that made you learn that lesson and not [i]being inches from being badly injured or killed by a fucking car?[/i] Believe it or not kids have the capacity to learn and to understand that things are dangerous and getting hurt is bad without needing you to physically beat it into them[/QUOTE] I did not even look in the direction of a car or reacted to it in any way, which is why i started crossing.
[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;50236440] Apparently a lot of Asians will disagree with you, the amount of abuse they put up with their parents is brutal compared to average kid suffering in Western world.[/QUOTE] I agree.
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