Police shot teenager after his father reported stolen truck
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When you're stopped by police, you stop.
What the kid did was effectively suicide by cop.
[QUOTE=Laserbeams;42791002]The police should have tasered the truck instead[/QUOTE]
they should have used shotgun bean bags to choke the exhaust
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[QUOTE=Grimhound;42791019]When you're stopped by police, you stop.
What the kid did was effectively suicide by cop.[/QUOTE]
You certainly shouldn't ram a cop either.
[QUOTE=shanzo;42789838]Innocent man driving almost over students at a campus area. Sure the cop should've shot the car instead, but bad luck.[/QUOTE]
LOL The gun could have killed people alot easier, notice how people "just moved" out of the way of the truck
What a moron father. I can understand being annoyed about the late night trips, but to report his truck stolen like that? That was never going to end well. BEST case scenario was the dad ended up charged with filing a false police report, plus putting a GTA on the kid's record would fuck his chances for a job up for the next 30-odd years.
'Course, he ended up with the worst case scenario...
[QUOTE=Laserbeams;42791002]The police should have tasered the truck instead[/QUOTE]
No, he should've shot out all the tires, making the car fly into the air like in Sleeping Dogs, and then pull the guy out of the car and taze him in the leg for good measure.
[QUOTE=shanzo;42789838]Innocent man driving almost over students at a campus area. Sure the cop should've shot the car instead, but bad luck.[/QUOTE]
wow 4th reply to the thread and we already have someone endorsing execution for car theft.
I bet that dad feels like absolute shit now. Imagine, getting in a fight with your kid, he drives off to go get a pack of cigs after a heated argument, you're pissed off too so you call the cops to teach him a lesson. Half an hour later you get a call, 'yeah we got his ass'.
Also, smoking kills.
[QUOTE=areolop;42790841]Second (local) source
[URL]http://amestrib.com/sections/news/ames-and-story-county/shooting-on-isu-campus-ruled-justified.html[/URL]
Well doesnt that paint a totally different story. I'm trying to find the dashcam
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also, official release
[URL]http://www.cityofames.org/modules/showdocument.aspx?documentid=14559[/URL][/QUOTE]
you're a cop so i understand your blind acceptance of whatever police say but i personally don't trust an official report from attorney's office after police just allegedly committed murder.
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i wanna see the dashcam
[QUOTE=yawmwen;42791327]wow 4th reply to the thread and we already have someone endorsing execution for car theft.[/QUOTE]
oh god not this again
[QUOTE=Desuh;42790467]Why didn't they just shoot the car in the tire?[/QUOTE]
Why do some people think that real life is like a John Woo action movie? Hell, tires are almost made to match the strength of Kevlar to begin with.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;42791327]wow 4th reply to the thread and we already have someone endorsing execution for car theft.[/QUOTE]
He did ram a police car.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;42791327]wow 4th reply to the thread and we already have someone endorsing execution for car theft.[/QUOTE]
are you stupid?
the dumbass kid fucking revved the engine, showing that he didn't intend on stopping and getting out, rammed a police car, and nearly killed other students.
If thats not a clear threat that requires force, I don't know what the fuck is
Perhaps we should consider that the teenager, who the mother claims had emotional problems, was attempting suicide because he'd realized his father had called the police on him for taking the truck and came to believe that his father was essentially condemning him to jail?
None of this would have happened, including the dangerous driving, had his father not made the call. It's likely he intended his son to be surrender and be captured, and to decline to press charges, but we have to ask why the American home is at such war that parents feel the need to demonstrate to their children that they can have them arrested in order to establish their dominance.
It is unfortunate that the police found themselves in a potentially life or death situation where they made the call to fire on the teenager, and that he was in such an unstable state of mind. I can only suppose - though it is pure conjecture - that the father and the son had a borderline abusive relationship due to his lack of success and drive in life and his struggles with his psychological problems (which in America, is considered 'refusing to grow up' by the majority of the older generation). This all could have come to a head because the teenager was aching for nicotine, which is a very addictive substance that is incredibly stressful to forgo and which the withdrawal thereof reduces one to an incredibly vulnerable psychological state, which can magnify mood swings, depression, and outbursts of rage to implausible levels.
It just serves to demonstrate how incidents like this are likely a combination of many factors, all of which are due to the failures of the American household and society in general at preparing adults to be parents in the modern world and young adults to respond rationally to implausible situations. I am not blaming the father or anyone involved, but arguing that we should instead be looking into where tragedies like this begin to form in the first place, and figuring out how to fix the flaws that cause them to culminate in the way they do.
I'd even argue that education should be something that one continues to receive at various ages, and should be intended to teach life and parenting skills - as well as having the ability to provide psychological assistance (from a licensed therapist) when needed, up to and including family maintenance and marriage counseling.
It is then that we will begin to see a meaningful reduction in tragedies like these, and the incidents of spousal and familial abuse and murder.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;42791441]He did ram a police car.[/QUOTE]
they shouldn't have pursued him in the first place. he was acting dangerously because he was being pursued and the cops made a choice that made killing the kid inevitable. he wouldn't have been a danger if they cut off the pursuit.
Seemingly justified, but also tragic. The kid probably had no idea that revving his engine was equal to pointing a gun and cocking it at the time.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;42791653]they shouldn't have pursued him in the first place. he was acting dangerously because he was being pursued and the cops made a choice that made killing the kid inevitable. he wouldn't have been a danger if they cut off the pursuit.[/QUOTE]
He almost ran over pedestrians, if they cut off, what if he ended up actually killing someone?
[QUOTE=Auto Taco;42791742]He almost ran over pedestrians, if they cut off, what if he ended up actually killing someone?[/QUOTE]
he almost hit people because he was being pursued. the truck was too big to disable with non-lethal means. that means police should stop the chase.
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the police endangered the lives of those people just as much as the kid did by continuing a pursuit of a vehicle that they wouldn't be able to stop.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;42791775]
the police endangered the lives of those people just as much as the kid did by continuing a pursuit of a vehicle that they wouldn't be able to stop.[/QUOTE]
That sets a good precedent. If you don't want to pay a ticket or don't want to be punished just drive away.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;42791775]he almost hit people because he was being pursued. the truck was too big to disable with non-lethal means. that means police should stop the chase.
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the police endangered the lives of those people just as much as the kid did by continuing a pursuit of a vehicle that they wouldn't be able to stop.[/QUOTE]
you're right if the police can't get the car to stop they should just let them go, possibly endangering or killing more people than would be killed if the car was stopped
Only in 'merica
[QUOTE=Fatfatfatty;42789771]The american police force showing their excellent trigger discipline, shooting an unarmed man in his truck.[/QUOTE]
Uh a truck is pretty much a deadly weapon. If a person is driving and trying to run people over that pretty much calls for deadly force.
yawmwen makes every thread a delightful laugh riot
thanks, yawmwen
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;42791808]That sets a good precedent. If you don't want to pay a ticket or don't want to be punished just drive away.[/QUOTE]
so i guess nothing changes in that regard.
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[QUOTE=supersnail11;42791819]you're right if the police can't get the car to stop they should just let them go, possibly endangering or killing more people than would be killed if the car was stopped[/QUOTE]
their pursuit was clearly endangering people. i would rather the perpetrator get away than have a dangerous police chase through a university campus.
[img]http://puu.sh/5bHeC.png[/img]
This is the reason he got shot, I'd say.
You know yawmwen, your hatred of the police is a well-established fact and you don't need to remind us in every police-related thread. Especially since nobody's taking you seriously.
[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;42792021]You know yawmwen, your hatred of the police is a well-established fact and you don't need to remind us in every police-related thread. Especially since nobody's taking you seriously.[/QUOTE]
this isn't even anti police. the police made a bad call that lead to the death of a kid no matter what your opinions on police as an institution.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;42791853]their pursuit was clearly endangering people. i would rather the perpetrator get away than have a dangerous police chase through a university campus.[/QUOTE]
No way a police officer would ever think, "Hey this guy's endangering lives, maybe if I drive off he'll stop and turn himself in."
You don't get to make that call.
I thought they shot him over nothing at first but the reports so far illustrate that the kid used the truck as a deadly weapon, and the police responded with deadly force. That's about as reasonable as it gets if it's proven true when we see the dashcam.
[QUOTE=MuTAnT;42792063]No way a police officer would see, "Hey this guy's endangering lives, maybe if I drive off he'll stop and turn himself in."
You don't get to make that call.[/QUOTE]
do you think he would really be driving recklessly if the police were not chasing him? he wasn't driving recklessly before the police chase so the police chase was obviously the factor motivating him to drive in a way that endangered others. if i have to pick between a car thief getting away and a car thief getting killed by police while endangering everyone in the vicinity i would rather the thief get away.
Another dumbass abusing police resources, only this time it resulted in his son being killed
nice one
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