Police shot teenager after his father reported stolen truck
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[QUOTE=yawmwen;42791853]so i guess nothing changes in that regard.[/QUOTE]
No, they chase you down and arrest you, as it should be.
Why should the police let a guy steal a truck? It seems like the teen started putting peoples lives in danger with his reckless driving forcing the police into using deadly force to stop him.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;42792112]do you think he would really be driving recklessly if the police were not chasing him? he wasn't driving recklessly before the police chase so the police chase was obviously the factor motivating him to drive in a way that endangered others. if i have to pick between a car thief getting away and a car thief getting killed by police while endangering everyone in the vicinity i would rather the thief get away.[/QUOTE]
it was entrapment; the kid wouldnt have driven like a madman if there were no police in the world! police should be banned because fleeing suspects get dangerous. qed
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[QUOTE=Zeke129;42792132]Another dumbass abusing police resources, only this time it resulted in his son being killed
nice one[/QUOTE]
why would you call your son in as a felon over a pack of smokes
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;42792138]No, they chase you down and arrest you, as it should be.
Why should the police let a guy steal a truck? It seems like the teen started putting peoples lives in danger with his reckless driving forcing the police into using deadly force to stop him.[/QUOTE]
lol dude do you know how law enforcement works in the usa?
"One of the dilemmas faced by law enforcement is whether or not to continue a chase. Stated differently, the question is, What are the consequences of continuing or terminating a dangerous pursuit? Most policies include the balanced and reasonable approach and require officers to terminate when the risks created by the chase outweigh the need to immediately apprehend. It is understood that when an officer terminates his active involvement in a pursuit, the suspect likely will escape apprehension at that time. Many progressive policies instruct officers who terminate a chase to stop, pull over, radio their position, and drive away from the suspect to signal that the officer has given up and the suspect has “won.” The point of this tactic is to notify dispatch of the termination and to inform the suspect that he can slow down and drive safely without constantly looking in his mirrors. The question is, When will the suspect slow and his driving become safe? Without a doubt, the reckless actions of the fleeing suspect can create a dangerous situation for all concerned. The question of when the suspect will slow down and return to reasonable and safe driving, however, remains."
[url]http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/law-enforcement-bulletin/march-2010/evidence-based-decisions-on-police-pursuits[/url]
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when a police pursuit goes into a university campus where there are pedestrians everywhere i would say the risks of a dangerous pursuit outweigh the need to immediately apprehend.
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[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;42792148]it was entrapment; the kid wouldnt have driven like a madman if there were no police in the world! police should be banned because fleeing suspects get dangerous. qed
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that isn't even my point. my point is that continuing pursuit did more harm than good and it was a shitty call that lead to a situation where lethal force was applied.
The best thing to do is not argue with people who base their beliefs of morals. You cant change their opinion.
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Yeah. I'm not going there. I'm ashamed for even responding to that.
[QUOTE=areolop;42792245]The best thing to do is not argue with people who base their beliefs of morals. You cant change their opinion.[/QUOTE]
don't argue with anyone then because everyone bases their beliefs on morals.
[QUOTE=Fatfatfatty;42789771]The american police force showing their excellent trigger discipline, shooting an unarmed man in his truck.[/QUOTE]
the swedish demonstrating their intelligence
[QUOTE=Mingebox;42790892]Sounds like getting shot was exactly what he was expecting to me.[/QUOTE]
How so? The kid didn't know his father had called the cops on him.
[url]http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=cd3_1383861373[/url]
Dashcam footage.
This was not some "misunderstood teen" who was being all innocent.
[QUOTE=HkSniper;42792697][url]http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=cd3_1383861373[/url]
Dashcam footage.
This was not some "misunderstood teen" who was being all innocent.[/QUOTE]
I retake my statement after seeing that.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;42791653]they shouldn't have pursued him in the first place. he was acting dangerously because he was being pursued and the cops made a choice that made killing the kid inevitable. he wouldn't have been a danger if they cut off the pursuit.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=yawmwen;42791775]he almost hit people because he was being pursued. the truck was too big to disable with non-lethal means. that means police should stop the chase.
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the police endangered the lives of those people just as much as the kid did by continuing a pursuit of a vehicle that they wouldn't be able to stop.[/QUOTE]
Your avatar is so uncannily fitting it's crazy
[QUOTE=HkSniper;42792697][url]http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=cd3_1383861373[/url]
Dashcam footage.
This was not some "misunderstood teen" who was being all innocent.[/QUOTE]
definitely not innocent. still, it was a bad choice to continue the pursuit. the chase caused a lot of danger to bystanders and the police didn't have anything to disable a truck of that size. hell, the police officers were putting themselves in danger too by continuing.
Yaw, Yes we know all about your fetish for calling police murderers, but atleast put yourself in the limited information perspective they are in, you do not have the hindsight bias, nor do you have the whole situation. These guys did not know that the vehicle theft call was a fathers attempt to punish his son, they did not know what was the cause of his irrational actions. If you are being chased by police, pull over, someone who does not immediately goes under the suspicion of committing an even worse crime and attempting to get out of it by evading police.
The fbi statistics make sense, but the problem is do you let the person go just because they are a danger to the public or do you continue pursuit to prevent him from being a danger to the public. Failing to continue to pursue them can make them think that if they endanger people, the police will stop pursuit thus make them endanger more people when you attempt to pursue them again.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;42792832]definitely not innocent. still, it was a bad choice to continue the pursuit. the chase caused a lot of danger to bystanders and the police didn't have anything to disable a truck of that size. hell, the police officers were putting themselves in danger too by continuing.[/QUOTE]
Outside spike strips which require them to direct the suspect, what could they stop him with? An anti materiel rifle?
that dad is going to be dealing with some serious guilt issues. jesus
[QUOTE=yawmwen;42791775]he almost hit people because he was being pursued. the truck was too big to disable with non-lethal means. that means police should stop the chase.
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the police endangered the lives of those people just as much as the kid did by continuing a pursuit of a vehicle that they wouldn't be able to stop.[/QUOTE]
Wow, I didn't know you were in the truck with him, what was it like?
[QUOTE=deadoon;42792916]Yaw, Yes we know all about your fetish for calling police murderers, but atleast put yourself in the limited information perspective they are in, you do not have the hindsight bias, nor do you have the whole situation. These guys did not know that the vehicle theft call was a fathers attempt to punish his son, they did not know what was the cause of his irrational actions. If you are being chased by police, pull over, someone who does not immediately goes under the suspicion of committing an even worse crime and attempting to get out of it by evading police.
The fbi statistics make sense, but the problem is do you let the person go just because they are a danger to the public or do you continue pursuit to prevent him from being a danger to the public. Failing to continue to pursue them can make them think that if they endanger people, the police will stop pursuit thus make them endanger more people when you attempt to pursue them again.[/quote]
that's why you don't just "give up". you regroup and use a new method to try and apprehend the suspect(preferably while they are not in the car).
[quote]Outside spike strips which require them to direct the suspect, what could they stop him with? An anti materiel rifle?[/QUOTE]
don't police generally have access to heavier vehicles for this specific purpose?
[QUOTE=yawmwen;42793008]that's why you don't just "give up". you regroup and use a new method to try and apprehend the suspect(preferably while they are not in the car).
don't police generally have access to heavier vehicles for this specific purpose?[/QUOTE]
Yeah man, lets wait for the kid who has stolen and is driving his dads truck to get out of it.
the police knew where he was and tried to apprehend him, its not their fault he drove away like a maniac, they couldnt predict he would, and when he did it was their job to stop that as soon as possible.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;42793008]that's why you don't just "give up". you regroup and use a new method to try and apprehend the suspect(preferably while they are not in the car).
don't police generally have access to heavier vehicles for this specific purpose?[/QUOTE]
Depends on the area, they may only have cruisers and motorcycles.
It is a town of 12k people, they likely didn't have much more than that.
[QUOTE=MuTAnT;42792063]No way a police officer would ever think, "Hey this guy's endangering lives, maybe if I drive off he'll stop and turn himself in."
You don't get to make that call.[/QUOTE]
Except police can and do call off pursuits if continuing is likely to cause more harm than good
[QUOTE=EnlightenDead;42793073]Yeah man, lets wait for the kid who has stolen and is driving his dads truck to get out of it.
the police knew where he was and tried to apprehend him, its not their fault he drove away like a maniac, they couldnt predict he would, and when he did it was their job to stop that as soon as possible.[/QUOTE]
yea and police chases are notoriously dangerous. if the danger of the chase outweighs the need to immediately apprehend the suspect then it is preferable to stop pursuit. it's absolutely reasonable for police to let someone get away if doing so can prevent the loss of life.
[QUOTE=deadoon;42793076]Depends on the area, they may only have cruisers and motorcycles.[/QUOTE]
if they don't have heavier equipment then it might have been preferable to just wait a day or two until the thief dumps the car and then hope he is a previous offender with his fingerprints in the criminal database.
[QUOTE=EnlightenDead;42793073]Yeah man, lets wait for the kid who has stolen and is driving his dads truck to get out of it.
the police knew where he was and tried to apprehend him, its not their fault he drove away like a maniac, they couldnt predict he would, and when he did it was their job to stop that as soon as possible.[/QUOTE]
Well actually, seeing as the kid was going out to get some cigarettes, you could assume he would be getting out of the vehicle at some point. If it would have been better to wait for that or pursue him I don't know though. I would say though, that was yawmwen pointed out, I doubt he would have been driving around like that had the police not been going after him - though I'm not too sure what could have been done had they cut off the pursuit. You do have a point in saying they had no idea that he would have done that though.
[QUOTE=OutLawed Blade;42789852]Stupid thing to do but shooting someone for revving the engine? The fuck.[/QUOTE]
Depending on where they were standing, revving the engine can be construed as a threat - if you don't move out of the way, I'll drive into you.
[QUOTE=deadoon;42793076]
It is a town of 12k people, they likely didn't have much more than that.[/QUOTE]
my town has like 8k people and we have a fucking apc. county sheriffs here regularly drive in very heavy sports utility vehicles. so it's unlikely that they didn't have access to more equipment.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;42792112]do you think he would really be driving recklessly if the police were not chasing him? he wasn't driving recklessly before the police chase so the police chase was obviously the factor motivating him to drive in a way that endangered others. if i have to pick between a car thief getting away and a car thief getting killed by police while endangering everyone in the vicinity i would rather the thief get away.[/QUOTE]
Of course they should've let the car drive away, but you're completely disregarding the fact that the kid should've stopped the car the moment he heard the siren. That completely removes the need to drive recklessly, and the moment he decides not to do that he's responsible for the chase.
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;42793534]Of course they should've let the car drive away, but you're completely disregarding the fact that the kid should've stopped the car the moment he heard the siren. That completely removes the need to drive recklessly, and the moment he decides not to do that he's responsible for the chase.[/QUOTE]
Yeah. The minute he sped up and started a chase and started ramming cars and shit is when everything went wrong for him. I don't know what the fuck the kid was thinking, but I would assume there was some bravado involved where he felt as though the cops wouldn't do what they did and that he was impervious. Needless to say, he was incorrect.
The police just received a report that the vehicle was stolen. The father was a fucking idiot. The police go in assuming the suspect is armed, and when he does shit like that it makes it obvious he's not going down without a fight. And when they had him stopped and he revved up? He killed himself with that action.
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;42793534]Of course they should've let the car drive away, but you're completely disregarding the fact that the kid should've stopped the car the moment he heard the siren. That completely removes the need to drive recklessly, and the moment he decides not to do that he's responsible for the chase.[/QUOTE]
well duh. sometimes people don't behave rationally but that doesn't justify irrational decisions especially if the decision leads to someone's death.
[quote=yawmwen;42793706]well duh. sometimes people don't behave rationally but that doesn't justify irrational decisions especially if the decision leads to someone's death.[/QUOTE]
implying that decision to protect the public is irrational
[QUOTE=areolop;42793824]implying that decision to protect the public is irrational[/QUOTE]
their actions helped endanger the public and ended with someone in the public being killed. their motive isn't being called into question, their actions are.
[QUOTE=Aide;42790727]Looks like the song taught the father a lesson. Don't use police to do your bidding.[/QUOTE]
God bless America.
[QUOTE=Elspin;42790175]Do people think it's like grand theft auto or something where if you go around doing insanely dangerous shit and then don't surrender to the police you'll get off with a $100 fine and a slap on the wrist? I mean jesus christ revving your engines at the police after almost running people over?[/QUOTE]
Never get busted. You'll lose your weapons.
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