• Police shot teenager after his father reported stolen truck
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[QUOTE=Grimhound;42803218]What if the car thief was fleeing so vehemently because he also dabbled in murder? You also can't let these people get away, because it sort of sets a precedent.[/QUOTE] then that's a violent crime and you chase him [U][B]READ[/B][/U]
[QUOTE=deadoon;42802934] "Inevitably" As in every time they pursue people die? What option are you talking about, the option to shoot? Just because that is an option, doesn't mean they take it every time.[/QUOTE] no in this case they had no means to disable the truck minus lethal force and the guy was driving recklessly through a university campus. there was no way this would end except for the death of the suspect, death of an officer, or death of a bystander. [QUOTE=Grimhound;42803218]What if the car thief was fleeing so vehemently because he also dabbled in murder? You also can't let these people get away, because it sort of sets a precedent.[/QUOTE] it doesn't set a fucking precedent because police are already supposed to do this and already do do this and it hasn't set a fucking precedent.
[QUOTE=Venezuelan;42803229]then that's a violent crime and you chase him [U][B]READ[/B][/U][/QUOTE] You don't know that until you've ID'd the suspect.
[QUOTE=Grimhound;42803356]You don't know that until you've ID'd the suspect.[/QUOTE] okay so we should treat everyone as a potential murder suspect for murders that may or may not even exist sounds good.
[QUOTE=Grimhound;42803356]You don't know that until you've ID'd the suspect.[/QUOTE] the vast majority of police chases are over minor traffic violations. people don't wanna pay a ticket so they run.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;42803464]the vast majority of police chases are over minor traffic violations. people don't wanna pay a ticket so they run.[/QUOTE] So they run, get arrested, face jail, and get two tickets!
[QUOTE=areolop;42803570]So they run, get arrested, face jail, and get two tickets![/QUOTE] yeah and your point?
[QUOTE=areolop;42803570]So they run, get arrested, face jail, and get two tickets![/QUOTE] i'm not saying it's a smart choice, i'm saying that it's the reality of most police pursuits.
I understand the kid was dangerous and the cops didn't have much of a choice, but this really irks me - [quote]after his dad reported his truck stolen in an [B]attempt to teach his son a lesson[/B] for driving off to buy cigarettes.[/quote] Trying to use taxpayer dollars to teach your kid a lesson. This is asinine.
I guess if you get caught speeding you should drive like shit when you hear the siren since it's all the police's fault if you kill someone.
[QUOTE=lxmach1;42805330]I guess if you get caught speeding you should drive like shit when you hear the siren since it's all the police's fault if you kill someone.[/QUOTE] list of people who said that:
as people have been sarcastically pointing out, you can't taser or pepper spray a car. so what is chasing them going to accomplish? you chase them and you're only gonna catch them if they crash pretty much. that makes it a danger to the suspect, the cop & any bystanders. it's a stolen car it's not worth any of those lives. you have the description you have the license plate you're gonna find it and you can catch the dude when he's not behind the wheel
[QUOTE=Venezuelan;42805488]list of people who said that:[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Venezuelan;42795743]I'm just saying dude, after the first time he ran that red light that should have been a red flag "oh shit maybe it's not worth it" moment. They have his license plate, his name, and it's a fucking lawn service truck with incredibly distinct markings. And Ames is a little-ass town.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Venezuelan;42796304] [B]WHY CHASES ARE BAD [/B] They kill innocent people [/QUOTE] You apparently.
[QUOTE]it's all the police's fault[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]it's all the police's fault[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]it's all the police's fault[/QUOTE] how does "chases kill people" (the action of chases themselves) and "maybe it's not worth it" imply "it's all the police's fault" you could not possibly be more desperately misrepresenting me. you are ridiculous.
[QUOTE=Venezuelan;42805767]how does "chases kill people" (the action of chases themselves) and "maybe it's not worth it" imply "it's all the police's fault" you could not possibly be more desperately misrepresenting me. you are ridiculous.[/QUOTE] So who's choice is it to continue the chase, despite knowing the possible consequences?
fault is irrelevant. who cares who's fault it is when people are dying and that dying can be avoided?
[QUOTE=deadoon;42805815]So who's choice is it to continue the chase, despite knowing the possible consequences?[/QUOTE] The police department through policy. Policy which should ideally be influenced by public discourse. Policy which should in my opinion be tightened to be limited to violent or reckless crimes.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;42805489]as people have been sarcastically pointing out, you can't taser or pepper spray a car. so what is chasing them going to accomplish? you chase them and you're only gonna catch them if they crash pretty much. that makes it a danger to the suspect, the cop & any bystanders. it's a stolen car it's not worth any of those lives. you have the description you have the license plate you're gonna find it and you can catch the dude when he's not behind the wheel[/QUOTE] car thieves don't hang onto cars for very long. they dump cars quickly, often in drivable condition. the guy would almost invariably go to a gas station or store where they will catch his face on cctv. they will get the car, they will probably get the guy, it's often not worth the chase when the chase will lead to someone dying. [editline]9th November 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=deadoon;42805815]So who's choice is it to continue the chase, despite knowing the possible consequences?[/QUOTE] both parties but the police have a legal responsibility to the public and when a choice they make puts the public at risk it should be questioned.
[QUOTE=Venezuelan;42805834]The police department through policy. Policy which should ideally be influenced by public discourse. Policy which should in my opinion be tightened to be limited to violent or reckless crimes.[/QUOTE] So it is the police's fault but it isn't the polices fault? Do you really not see the contradiction here? [QUOTE=yawmwen;42805865] both parties but the police have a legal responsibility to the public and when a choice they make puts the public at risk it should be questioned.[/QUOTE] The point to an extent, but in this case it is forcing the police into a situation that endangers the public, thus making them break off pursuit, which allows the suspect to control the pursuit somewhat. I am arguing that giving them that control is problematic.
[QUOTE=deadoon;42806071]So it is the police's fault but it isn't the polices fault? Do you really not see the contradiction here? The point to an extent, but in this case it is forcing the police into a situation that endangers the public, thus making them break off pursuit, which allows the suspect to control the pursuit somewhat. I am arguing that giving them that control is problematic.[/QUOTE] he's saying rather than it being the polices fault it's more the fault of the policy they have to adhere to. but again, why is fault relevant here?
[QUOTE=deadoon;42806071]So it is the police's fault but it isn't the polices fault? Do you really not see the contradiction here?[/QUOTE] no because I understand there's no such thing as black and white morality [QUOTE=deadoon;42806071]The point to an extent, but in this case it is forcing the police into a situation that endangers the public, thus making them break off pursuit, which allows the suspect to control the pursuit somewhat. I am arguing that giving them that control is problematic.[/QUOTE] why though? It doesn't increase cases of fleeing and they don't continue to drive recklessly.
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