• Neo-Nazi rally in LA met with violent counter-protests
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What did they expect from having a racist belief and spreading it in a city of mixed races? No harsh retaliation?
[QUOTE=Carbon Knight;21426247]Because it's their damned right to. The Neo-Nazi's were having a peaceful rally and then a group of people come to attack them because they disagree with their ideology. Do you not see the flaw in attacking people physically for their ideology?[/QUOTE] Do you not see the flaw in praising someone who killed 6,000,000 people based on their religion?
[QUOTE=Conscript;21418833]I had a friend who went one of the counter-protests sponsored by the PSL (a communist party). He was one of the ones throwing stuff, and apparently it was lot of fun. Facepunch should totally do a counter-protest some time. Imagine the chaos[/QUOTE] protesting is about spreading a message, not being a giant 'totally cool anarchist' dick head who runs around destroying other people's property, go ahead and do it sometime, when a cop jams a night stick up your ass don't come crying to us.. [QUOTE=Rubs10;21427063]Do you not see the flaw in praising someone who killed 6,000,000 people based on their religion?[/QUOTE] Regardless of what their ideals are, in this country they have the right to believe in them and have gatherings, you can't pick and choose who gets to have freedom of speech just because you don't like what they have to say. are they shitheads?, oh hell yeah, but being an asshole isn't illegal, but these counter protesters just gave them more fuel, considering they were pretty much attacked, also why the fuck where they throwing shit at the police, that's a great way to do things..
[QUOTE=Rubs10;21427063]Do you not see the flaw in praising someone who killed 6,000,000 people based on their religion?[/QUOTE] Do you not see the flaw in attacking a person because of their ideology?
[QUOTE=Carbon Knight;21427554]Do you not see the flaw in attacking a person because of their ideology?[/QUOTE] It's hypocritical, I know, for me to support attacking a group that supports [I]killing[/I] a minority. Now, I would say that hate protest like this [I]should[/I] be banned. But it's really difficult considering it's more of an opinion about what's hateful. I imagine protest for gay rights could be seen as hateful for a hyper christian conservative. Now, for that and similar reasons, I [I]don't think [/I]we could have a law banning protest, but it doesn't mean I can't support what I view as vigilante justice.
You would be banning freedom of speech. [QUOTE=Rubs10;21427796]I view as vigilante justice.[/QUOTE] This is not justice. This is an attempt at oppressing people for ideology. No matter how stupid or hateful an ideology can be it is not right to prohibit or attack people for it.
[QUOTE=Swebonny;21421645]Haha Americans trying to be Nazis. They probably think Nazi = Hate all races, have cool tatoos. Edit: Wonder what their grandparents think about them.[/QUOTE] I agree with this man
[QUOTE=ThePuska;21425300]I don't know why you would call anyone who wants to be associated with something as violent, intolerant and hateful as neo-nazism "peaceful" under any condition, as it is obvious that no matter how calmly they're behaving, they're everything but peaceful. The protesters are calling the supporters of immigrants traitors. The anti-protesters are calling the protesters racists. Both hate each other, the anti-protesters merely have enough security in their numbers to get physical. And notice that in this case the protesters are supposedly the more tolerant ones - they don't generally parade around telling how they hate specific groups of people. Except for this instance. I have no doubt that if their positions were swapped, the result would be similar. The minority would get their faces bloody. Though if neo-nazis were the majority, I don't think there would be enough freedom of speech for any minorities to organize a protest like this.[/QUOTE] Seriously, your defending the fact that people showed up at a protest and then proceeded to beat the protesters? And your assuming that the Neo Nazis are radicals, just because they protest doesn't mean that they are going to go and kill someone. [editline]06:06PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Carbon Knight;21427915]You would be banning freedom of speech. This is not justice. This is an attempt at oppressing people for ideology. No matter how stupid or hateful an ideology can be it is not right to prohibit or attack people for it.[/QUOTE] This is what i'm saying. No one else heard the quote from Voltaire, "I may not agree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it"
[QUOTE=Carbon Knight;21427915]You would be banning freedom of speech. This is not justice. This is an attempt at oppressing people for ideology. No matter how stupid or hateful an ideology can be it is not right to prohibit or attack people for it.[/QUOTE] Justice is an opinion. Members of this group have killed Jewish people even today in modern America, while the rest of the group supports it. They support covering up the holocaust, rewriting history, brainwashing their children, provoking the public like this, support the man who killed 6 million people, and support the murderers today. I have the right to support those who beat the shit out of them. Just like they have the right to support killers and mass murderers. [QUOTE=bravehat;21428081]This is what i'm saying. No one else heard the quote from Voltaire, "I may not agree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it"[/QUOTE] This isn't about favorite colors, this is about persuading people to kill other people and suppress others for stupid reasons. If they had their way, there would be millions more dead. Yeah, maybe the world would be more perfect if most people followed that quote, but they don't. I'm not saying that Neo-Nazis are going to persuade anyone, but they're keeping the idea of suppressing minorities alive. You may not think about it from your cushy home in your modern country, but those ideas still exist in most countries, not just suppression, but killings too. You support Neo-Nazis (Not their ideology, but keeping them around), you're supporting killers, which is hypocritical to your own statement of supporting others rights.
You support nazism against nazism.
Idea's never die dude. There will always be nazi's always be fascists and dictators. Deal with it. Let these people have their fucking rights.
[QUOTE=Carbon Knight;21428356]You support nazism against nazism.[/QUOTE] I never said I support killing them, because I don't support killing, I just support not letting a message of hate spread. I'm also being honest in saying that I'm glad they got attacked, I don't see how you could be. Sure, you can put up your own peaceful counter protest, which is counter productive because it attracts more attention. You can also choose to ignore them, which is probably the best option. But lets face it, they can't change any laws, nor can they ever gain substantial support in America. So if people choose to, and [I]I[/I] won't try to stop them, they can attack these people. Perhaps it will scare them enough, or perhaps they won't be allowed to protest anymore because it would be too much of a risk. [QUOTE=bravehat;21428380]Idea's never die dude. There will always be nazi's always be fascists and dictators. Deal with it. Let these people have their fucking rights.[/QUOTE] That's another problem in the world. People say that you can never stop something, so they'll just do nothing or even join the cause. Doing nothing, is in my opinion, still helping a cause, because you're making it easier for them to function. While you sit around and do nothing, that will be just another few people brainwashed into joining their cause. Even if it's a few people who will never actually do anything major except maybe kill someone, it's still a few lives that are lost to nothing. [QUOTE=Carbon Knight;21428590]What an ignorant statement. You simply want to say who's beliefs are allowed and whose aren't[/QUOTE] Only when they support not having equal human rights and infringing on another groups rights for religion, appearence, etc. You do realize that third would countries still continue to kill minoritiy groups right? Because these ideas are still allowed to survive. People are [I]dying[/I], but you'd rather support the rights of people who promote it, rather than sacrifice someone elses rights so that perhaps some people may live. It's for the greater good. Unfortunately the "greater good" is an opinion. You seem to think that the "greater good" is for people to stand back and let others keep their ideas of hate alive, while people die in far away countries because of these ideas.
[QUOTE=Rubs10;21428505] So if people choose to, and [I]I[/I] won't try to stop them, they can attack these people. Perhaps it will scare them enough, or perhaps they won't be allowed to protest anymore because it would be too much of a risk.[/QUOTE] What an ignorant statement. You simply want to say who's beliefs are allowed and whose aren't
[QUOTE=Rubs10;21428505]I never said I support killing them, because I don't support killing, I just support not letting a message of hate spread. I'm also being honest in saying that I'm glad they got attacked, I don't see how you could be. Sure, you can put up your own peaceful counter protest, which is counter productive because it attracts more attention. You can also choose to ignore them, which is probably the best option. But lets face it, they can't change any laws, nor can they ever gain substantial support in America. So if people choose to, and [I]I[/I] won't try to stop them, they can attack these people. Perhaps it will scare them enough, or perhaps they won't be allowed to protest anymore because it would be too much of a risk. That's another problem in the world. People say that you can never stop something, so they'll just do nothing or even join the cause. Doing nothing, is in my opinion, still helping a cause, because you're making it easier for them to function. While you sit around and do nothing, that will be just another few people brainwashed into joining their cause. Even if it's a few people who will never actually do anything major except maybe kill someone, it's still a few lives that are lost to nothing.[/QUOTE] Go ahead, obliterate Nazi ideology, I fucking dare you. Let's see how much success you have. Even if you do you'll leave the legacy of a Nazi, you know since you decided you would oppress a minority, but hey that's fine as long as you achieve your goals right? :downs:
[QUOTE=bravehat;21428624]Go ahead, obliterate Nazi ideology, I fucking dare you. Let's see how much success you have. Even if you do you'll leave the legacy of a Nazi, you know since you decided you would oppress a minority, but hey that's fine as long as you achieve your goals right? :downs:[/QUOTE] Well, I will admit that my idea is flawed, simply because it's opinion based. Germany already does what I'm saying, which is suppressing hate groups. I'll just say that it's your choice to let Nazism stand on, just like it's a Neo-Nazis choice to support it. That doesn't mean I won't argue that what your doing it wrong. I know I can never kill an idea, especially one that already had such a huge impact on history, but I can still make it as small as possible. Besides, fair is fair, right? [quote=Confucius]Never impose on others what you would not choose for yourself.[/quote] You support infringing on another's rights? Fine, we'll suppress your rights and see how you like it (Which is not saying we should do what they want to do to Jews, but something minor) Which is flawed, because I wouldn't want my rights to be suppressed either. Here's another example. During World War 1, the US told the Germans to stop using unrestricted submarine warfare, because it was not in the spirit of modern warfare. In other words, just because you have the ability to sink civilian ships with your subs, doesn't mean you should. Just because you have the ability to have a hateful protest, doesn't mean you should.
No that's not fair. That's bullshit vengeance in the name of the dead. and "Which is flawed, because I wouldn't want my rights to be suppressed either." Which is frankly, fucking [b]HILARIOUS[/b] cause that's exactly what your suggesting we do to the neo nazis. You're the biggest hypocrite I've had the misfortune to encounter.
[QUOTE=Rubs10;21428899]You support infringing on another's rights?[/QUOTE] You do apparently, If you want to have people censored for their ideology.
ITT: Kill everyone who has different beliefs than me.
Either every person has rights, or no one does. Selecting people whom you agree with to have rights isn't... well, right. If it is within the laws of free speech/freedom to assemble/freedom of expression, they should be allowed to do it. Getting angry and violent is [B]NOT[/B] the way to handle it.
[QUOTE=bravehat;21429039]No that's not fair. [I]That's bullshit vengeance in the name of the dead.[/I] [B]I never knew the dead, Nazi's never did anything wrong to me, NeoNazis never did anything wrong to me, but if I'm wrong for calling it wrong to kill people and support killing, then fuck being right.[/B] and "Which is flawed, because I wouldn't want my rights to be suppressed either." [I]Which is frankly, fucking [/I][I][b]HILARIOUS[/b] [/I][I]cause that's exactly what your suggesting we do to the neo nazis.[/I] [B]I was pointing out that my argument was flawed. The entire argument is flawed actually, because it's entirely opinion based. I'm only admitting truths.[/B] [I]You're the biggest hypocrite I've had the misfortune to encounter.[/I] [B]Maybe that's true, because I want to suppress one group, but I wouldn't want to be suppressed. But I'm arguing because they spread a message of hate and ruin and destroy lives, not only of others, but of their own members.[/B][/QUOTE] [QUOTE=JDK721;21429070]ITT: Kill everyone who has different beliefs than me.[/QUOTE] I don't want to kill them, I only want to have them suppressed. Like Germany does. [QUOTE=Penguiin;21429248]Either every person has rights, or no one does. Selecting people whom you agree with to have rights isn't... well, right. If it is within the laws of free speech/freedom to assemble/freedom of expression, they should be allowed to do it. Getting angry and violent is [B]NOT[/B] the way to handle it.[/QUOTE] During WW1, the Germans had every right to attack civilian ships, but should they? No. (Even though they did for a while, stopped after the Americans warned them, then continued after America went to war) You're saying that just because they have the ability to, they should. This is where I am not being hypocritical. Because I believe that they shouldn't do something, just because they have the ability to.
Your spreading a message of hate against neo nazis, a minority. Just like the Nazis did. :smug:
[QUOTE=Rubs10;21429352]I don't want to kill them, I only want to have them suppressed. Like Germany does.[/QUOTE] That's stupid. That will never happen here in the US. Germany is a completely different with their free speech oppression and video game censoring shit.
[QUOTE=DamagePoint;21418476]Fucking neo-nazis, the scum of the earth.[/QUOTE] Yeah, fuck people for having their own beliefs. These people get my respect for being their own person having their own belief and being brave enough to believe what they do. Nazism isn't right but you see the irony in attacking neo-Nazis? You're just like them. In fact, look at your post degrading them to nothing; just like Nazis did to Jews. It's funny isn't it?
The fact that they were being protected by cops of races they hate, was somewhat ironic.
[QUOTE=doommarine23;21429396]Yeah, fuck people for having their own beliefs. These people get my respect for being their own person having their own belief and being brave enough to believe what they do. Nazism isn't right but you see the irony in attacking neo-Nazis? You're just like them. In fact, look at your post degrading them to nothing; just like Nazis did to Jews. It's funny isn't it?[/QUOTE] What's funny is that you would respect someone that supports killers and mass murderers and you hate the very person who wants the ideas and supporters of killing minorities suppressed [QUOTE=JDK721;21429544][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution[/url] Read up.[/QUOTE] Don't you think that my entire argument has been arguing against this very law? Or at least part of it, the part that supports supporters of killers and hate ideas.
[QUOTE=Rubs10;21429505]It's funny that you would respect someone the supports killers and mass murderers and you hate the very person who wants the ideas and supporters of killing minorities suppressed[/QUOTE] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution[/url] Read up.
[QUOTE=Rubs10;21429505]What's funny is that you would respect someone that supports killers and mass murderers and you hate the very person who wants the ideas and supporters of killing minorities suppressed[/QUOTE] I don't hate either, I respect both ideals I'll put it like this I respect Racists, but if I saw a racist beating up a black guy I'd help the black guy or I'd try and stop the fight. I like how you inferred that i hate ideals even though my post was about respecting ideals.
[QUOTE=doommarine23;21429592]I don't hate either, I respect both ideals I'll put it like this I respect Racists, but if I saw a racist beating up a black guy I'd help the black guy or I'd try and stop the fight. I like how you inferred that i hate ideals even though my post was about respecting ideals.[/QUOTE] You can respect someone's right to believe something, and still think they're a bunch of inbred scumbag hicks.
[QUOTE=doommarine23;21429592]I don't hate either, I respect both ideals I'll put it like this I respect Racists, but if I saw a racist beating up a black guy I'd help the black guy or I'd try and stop the fight. I like how you inferred that i hate ideals even though my post was about respecting ideals.[/QUOTE] Yeah, it's called calling someone a hypocrite. Why would you respect a racist? Because he argues for an incredibly stupid and ignorant reason? Not only that, but the racist in question was beating up a black guy? Your ideas are very flawed.
[QUOTE=Rubs10;21429505]What's funny is that you would respect someone that supports killers and mass murderers and you hate the very person who wants the ideas and supporters of killing minorities suppressed Don't you think that my entire argument has been arguing against this very law? Or at least part of it, the part that supports supporters of killers and hate ideas.[/QUOTE] What you are trying to do is control the thoughts of the masses. Equal to the genocide and destruction of the entire species to me.
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