• Former Cheerleader put on Probation for Fellating 12 year old boy.
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[QUOTE=Aidan_088;42875589]It's on a spectrum.[/QUOTE] Oh, [I]now[/I] you understand spectrums, when it's in your favor. -The maturity of people is on a spectrum - [I]no[/I], as long as they're not fully mature, we might as well start right when puberty does! -The relative maturity of people changes the more age difference there is (when involving not fully mature people) - [I]no[/I], I don't understand, it's okay for two 13 year olds to experiment together, why can't I as a 20-something jump in with them? -It's much more likely that the relationship is exploitative when there's an age difference - you can't say that all age difference relationships are exploitative! All relationships have a chance of being exploitative, so why are ones with an age difference any different? But [I]now[/I]: -Friendship is not the same as a romantic relationship - [I]no[/I], you don't understand guys, [I]it's on a spectrum[/I] Make up your mind, can things be on a sliding scale or not?
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;42875593]a friendship is different from a sexual relationship, and even friendships between youths and adults are different, you can't be friends with a kid like you can with someone your own age. and because your idea of a loving relationship is only sex. that's not what a relationship is. and a teachers way of connecting with a child is far far FAR different from the kind of connection involved in sexual relationships. the exploitation is that the adult is using the child for sex. there is nothing more to it.[/QUOTE] " your idea of a loving relationship is only sex" I have no idea why you think this but that is not what I think at all. Adolescents can enjoy sexual relationships, they can be mutual, how it can be exploitation of both are in favor of it. surely you are not so naive to think that adolescents do not desire sexual contact. No one has to use anyone in a relationship, and if they do then it''s not what I'm advocating. [editline]15th November 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Last or First;42875656]Oh, [I]now[/I] you understand spectrums, when it's in your favor. -The maturity of people is on a spectrum - [I]no[/I], as long as they're not fully mature, we might as well start right when puberty does! -The relative maturity of people changes the more age difference there is (when involving not fully mature people) - [I]no[/I], I don't understand, it's okay for two 13 year olds to experiment together, why can't I as a 20-something jump in with them? -It's much more likely that the relationship is exploitative when there's an age difference - you can't say that all age difference relationships are exploitative! All relationships have a chance of being exploitative, so why are ones with an age difference any different? But [I]now[/I]: -Friendship is not the same as a romantic relationship - [I]no[/I], you don't understand guys, [I]it's on a spectrum[/I] Make up your mind, can things be on a sliding scale or not?[/QUOTE] The intimacy of a relationships is on a spectrum, what does that have to do with other things i said. i obviously wasn't previously arguing that spectrums don't exist. The maturity of people is on a spectrum I just don't think you need to be at the end of it to enjoy a consensual sexual relationship. "It's much more likely that the relationship is exploitative when there's an age difference" Even if this is true that's not the point, why should someone be punished just because there's a chance they could exploit someone?
[QUOTE=Aidan_088;42875674]" your idea of a loving relationship is only sex" I have no idea why you think this but that is not what I think at all. Adolescents can enjoy sexual relationships, they can be mutual, how it can be exploitation of both are in favor of it. surely you are not so naive to think that adolescents do not desire sexual contact. No one has to use anyone in a relationship, and if they do then it''s not what I'm advocating.[/QUOTE] because that's all this comes back to, i've never seen one of these stories being about 'former cheerleader put on probation for taking 12 year old boy to a movie and having dinner with him' it's some pervert following a kid into the bathroom to try suck his dick. there is no way an adult can have a meaningful relationship with a child so why is the adult getting involved with it? because they want to have sex with a child
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;42875717]because that's all this comes back to, i've never seen one of these stories being about 'former cheerleader put on probation for taking 12 year old boy to a movie and having dinner with him' it's some pervert following a kid into the bathroom to try suck his dick. there is no way an adult can have a meaningful relationship with a child so why is the adult getting involved with it? because they want to have sex with a child[/QUOTE] Romantic relationships involve sex. This is true regardless of age. "there is no way an adult can have a meaningful relationship with a child so why is the adult getting involved with it? because they want to have sex with a child" You might think this but I disagree. What is and is not meaningful is down to the individual but to say that this is only about sex is simply not true. Sex is part of any romantic relationship, but it's not the only part. And the reason you never hear stories like that is because it's impossible to go on a date with a young person now.
[QUOTE=Aidan_088;42875748]Romantic relationships involve sex. This is true regardless of age. "there is no way an adult can have a meaningful relationship with a child so why is the adult getting involved with it? because they want to have sex with a child" You might think this but I disagree. What is and is not meaningful is down to the individual but to say that this is only about sex is simply not true. Sex is part of any romantic relationship, but it's not the only part. And the reason you never hear stories like that is because it's impossible to go on a date with a young person now.[/QUOTE] an adult cannot make emotional or intellectual connections on a equal level with a child because they are neither emotionally or intellectually OR PHYSICALLY OR ANY OTHER KIND OF MATURE. there is only 1 reason an adult wants to have a relationship with a kid, so they can fuck kids because they get their rocks off from that.
[QUOTE=ViralHatred;42871059][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIfOjkB17BA[/media][/QUOTE] I got dumbed to hell and back and banned for a day for posting this in the original thread when she got arrested......
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;42875799]an adult cannot make emotional or intellectual connections on a equal level with a child because they are neither emotionally or intellectually OR PHYSICALLY OR ANY OTHER KIND OF MATURE. there is only 1 reason an adult wants to have a relationship with a kid, so they can fuck kids because they get their rocks off from that.[/QUOTE] Why does it have to be on equal level for it to be okay with you? should Stephen Hawking only be allowed to date super intelligent physicists? It's possible to love someone who is less intelligent or mature than you, if they're younger than you or older than you or whatever. No two people are ever truly equal, one is always more emotionally, intellectually or physical mature than the other. I don't see why this is a barrier to love. You don't only love people who are equal to you in every way.
there's a difference between less intelligence and maturity due to just being a different person who was raised differently or is just flat out less smart or more smart or whatever to someone that is less intelligent and mature because they are 12 years old and have no life experience and are barely even starting to develop into an adult
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;42875895]there's a difference between less intelligence and maturity due to just being a different person who was raised differently or is just flat out less smart or more smart or whatever to someone that is less intelligent and mature because they are 12 years old and have no life experience and are barely even starting to develop into an adult[/QUOTE] There is a difference I'm just not sure it's a meaningful one. If you're problem is with intellectually unequal relationships, why does the source or nature of the difference matter, surely the consequences are the same anyway.
you don't see it as a meaningful one because no matter what you're just trying to justify sex with a 12 year old
After being molested by a fairly attractive lady, reading this thread is VERY distressing. Like, fuck, the people throwing up their fists going "good on him!" make me want to scream.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;42875953]you don't see it as a meaningful one because no matter what you're just trying to justify sex with a 12 year old[/QUOTE] That not an argument it's just a veiled insult. What is the meaningful difference, if it's so obvious it shouldn't be hard to explain. [editline]15th November 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=OutLawed Blade;42875987]After being molested by a fairly attractive lady, reading this thread is VERY distressing. Like, fuck, the people throwing up their fists going "good on him!" make me want to scream.[/QUOTE] I don't mean to be disrespectful but anecdotal evidence is irrelevant. Anyone can say I experienced x and it was terrible or I experienced x and it was great.
sorry it wasn't meant to be veiled
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;42876037]sorry it wasn't meant to be veiled[/QUOTE] That's still not a proper rebuttal. If you've reached the point where you can no longer defend your position logically, perhaps you should reconsider it.
Thats my boy!
[QUOTE=Aidan_088;42876011]I don't mean to be disrespectful but anecdotal evidence is irrelevant. Anyone can say I experienced x and it was terrible or I experienced x and it was great.[/QUOTE] Are you telling me I deserved to be molested or that she had the right?
[QUOTE=Aidan_088;42876045]That's still not a proper rebuttal. If you've reached the point where you can no longer defend your position logically, perhaps you should reconsider it.[/QUOTE] alright the difference is that at age 12 you don't have the life experience or maturity to be able to conceptualize consent in any meaningful way. you also can't understand sex or the consequences of sex in a meaningful way and you CERTAINLY can't understand a proper relationship or it's consequences in a meaningful way. someone that is far older DOES possess all these and that's why them using this experience is exploitative. you say that sex and consent and shit can easily be explained to a 12 year old, and yes that is true, but that doesn't mean they understand it, it's easy for it to be explained to them because it's coming from an adult, someone they see as a person of power and knowledge who is clearly right because hey THEY ALREADY DON'T HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE OR EXPERIENCE.
[QUOTE=OutLawed Blade;42876102]Are you telling me I deserved to be molested or that she had the right?[/QUOTE] That's obviously not what I'm saying only that one case does not make a trend.
Alright, so I just want to throw in my two cents. I'm probably just reiterating what other people have said, but nevertheless, I just thought it might be worth throwing in. So the issue is not necessarily a pubescent's understanding of sex, exactly. Certainly at as early as 10 I knew more or less how sex worked, but the difference is that sex isn't purely intercourse. Sex can have a lot of ramifications on a relationship, sex can be exploitive, sex can lead to pregnancy and STIs- and of course sexual education can cover a lot of this, but there's frankly a large difference between one's understanding of life at 12 and 16. At 12, you're beginning to grasp the big picture of your own sexuality and sex in general, but you're still only 12 years old- you're naive to grown-up social interactions, for example. Think, what social interactions does a 12 year old even have? Likely just running around school, meeting their friends there, spending their time deferring to teachers. When you're 12, adults still have a great deal of power over you, and there's a huge split there. At 16, you at least see yourself as an adult, even if it's foolish to do so- it's a lot harder for an adult to feel pressured by another adult than a child to an adult. But nevertheless, yes, children will experiment, but children should not be experimenting with adults, largely because if they are [I]experimenting[/I], then the adult has a full grasp of the situation and the ramifications of it, and the potential for abuse of that position of power and knowledge skyrockets- and I don't mean to say that there can't be legitimate feelings between a pubescent and an adult, just that it's not a judgement call a pubescent can make, they're too young to truly understand if they're being exploited. Hell, even 16 is fairly young for that, but they are at least more wizened.
[QUOTE=Aidan_088;42875674]The intimacy of a relationships is on a spectrum, what does that have to do with other things i said. i obviously wasn't previously arguing that spectrums don't exist. The maturity of people is on a spectrum I just don't think you need to be at the end of it to enjoy a consensual sexual relationship. "It's much more likely that the relationship is exploitative when there's an age difference" Even if this is true that's not the point, why should someone be punished just because there's a chance they could exploit someone?[/QUOTE] I know you weren't arguing that spectrums don't exist, I'm saying that you're only applying them where you see fit. "I just don't think you don't need to be at the end of it to enjoy a consensual sexual relationship" : which is why [I]we don't do that[/I]. We put it at 16 or 18, which you and I both know isn't when someone is fully mature. As for the chance thing: we try and put the age of consent at a point where the relationships would more often than not be exploitative. Maybe further than that, for efficiency's sake / not dealing with half of the cases being fully consensual. [QUOTE=Aidan_088;42875846]Why does it have to be on equal level for it to be okay with you? should Stephen Hawking only be allowed to date super intelligent physicists? It's possible to love someone who is less intelligent or mature than you, if they're younger than you or older than you or whatever. No two people are ever truly equal, one is always more emotionally, intellectually or physical mature than the other. I don't see why this is a barrier to love. You don't only love people who are equal to you in every way.[/QUOTE] what did I just say about spectrums We put it at a point where it's more likely that a relationship is exploitative than not.
who woulda guessed that he would be banned for his opinion by craptasket lol
[QUOTE=be;42876243]who woulda guessed that he would be banned for his opinion by craptasket lol[/QUOTE] Hardly an unfitting ban when he's attempting to defend paedophilia OH I'M SORRY ephebophilia.
when that opinion is 'i should be allowed to fuck 12 year olds' the ban doesn't seem surprising
craptasket for 10/10 facepunch studios internet mod
[QUOTE=be;42876243]who woulda guessed that he would be banned for his opinion by craptasket lol[/QUOTE] jews, niggers and women are all bad but you can't ban me for saying this because its my opinion!!!
The amount of people excusing sexual assault and rape in this thread because the victim was male and the offender a female is disgusting. You're just as bad as the people that say women can't be raped because their body can just not let it happen or they can't get pregnant from rape because their body can just not get pregnant if they don't want it.
See how dumb that thinking is? Just because you label what you say as an opinion doesn't mean it shouldn't be banable.
[QUOTE=isnipeu;42876383]See how dumb that thinking is? Just because you label what you say as an opinion doesn't mean it shouldn't be banable.[/QUOTE] I suppose, but I really don't know. I think it's a little different in this case because he seriously doesn't intend to hurt people with what he wishes. Yes, what he wishes would hurt people imo, but that doesn't mean he wants to hurt people. Shouldn't we be banning people for their intent?
[QUOTE=be;42876402]I suppose, but I really don't know. I think it's a little different in this case because he seriously doesn't intend to hurt people with what he wishes. Yes, what he wishes would hurt people imo, but that doesn't mean he wants to hurt people. Shouldn't we be banning people for their intent?[/QUOTE] except fp kinda follows the same rules as murder/manslaughter manslaughter may not have the intent of killing, but someone still died
This 12 year old got what Facepunch users will never get. (including me ;_;)
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