• Man gets arrested for modifying game consoles
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Actually, it's impolite to do it, it's like taking a Baked alaska that the waiter has just gave you, and then adding apples to it because you wanted too, the chef gets angry because his work has been tampered with, and not used properly.
[QUOTE=Lankist;16618264]Why don't people ever read the EULA?[/QUOTE] tl;dr
[QUOTE=Xesum;16695214]Actually, it's impolite to do it, it's like taking a Baked alaska that the waiter has just gave you, and then adding apples to it because you wanted too, the chef gets angry because his work has been tampered with, and not used properly.[/QUOTE] So you're saying making better is a crime?
[QUOTE=The Pro;16695143]You buy the hardware, it's in your physical posession and you never [u]signed any sort of whacky agreement[/u] = You own that shit and you dam well better be able to do what you want with it. [/QUOTE] You agreed to Microsoft's EULA, something you agreed to when you first purchased and used their hardware, and you'd be violating it. They have the right to take you to court. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-sale_doctrine[/url] Does this doctrine apply to all countries, or just the US?
Too bad you didn't actually agree to anything. That's like saying if you go into a dark alley, you agree to be stabbed.
I don't understand why. Games are for entertainment, it's not like killing somebody.
Hang on. So say I modify my Playstation to do this (I don't even have one, it's just an example), I won't get arrested unless I then sell this modified Playstation?
[QUOTE=Rusty100;16621644]pff i just streamed a handbag[/QUOTE] Link? All all I can find is shitty torrents of wal-mart purses. [highlight](User was banned for this post ((Warez - garry))[/highlight]
[QUOTE=Doriol;16698556]Too bad you didn't actually agree to anything. That's like saying if you go into a dark alley, you agree to be stabbed.[/QUOTE] I did.
[QUOTE=Dr Bob;16697852]You agreed to Microsoft's EULA, something you agreed to when you first purchased and used their hardware, and you'd be violating it. They have the right to take you to court. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-sale_doctrine[/url] Does this doctrine apply to all countries, or just the US?[/QUOTE] Anyone has the right to take anyone to court at any time for any reason, even a bad one. Microsoft doesn't need someone to agree to anything to take them to court.
[QUOTE=Lyoko774;16618259]“Piracy, counterfeiting and other intellectual property rights violations not only cost U.S. businesses jobs and billions of dollars a year in lost revenue, they can also pose significant health and safety risks to consumers,” he said. Uh? Health and safety risks?[/QUOTE] If I counterfeit Aspirin and sell it to you, yeah it could effect your health.
[QUOTE=Dr Bob;16693833]When you buy an Xbox 360, you don't own it - you just own [b][u]the right to use it.[/u][/b] Saying that you own an Xbox 360 is saying that you own a part of Microsoft. It's stupid.[/QUOTE] Yet you have the right to destroy it and post it on YouTube.
[QUOTE=Lankist;16618264]Why don't people ever read the EULA?[/QUOTE] We're also supposed to keep the instructions of the tiny tattoo things that occasionally come with a bag of crisps. It's just not realistic to read every license agreement to anything.
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[QUOTE=Mister Royzo;16713201]We're also supposed to keep the instructions of the tiny tattoo things that occasionally come with a bag of crisps. It's just not realistic to read every license agreement to anything.[/QUOTE] Then you don't have room to complain when you violate the license you agreed to without actually reading it.
[QUOTE=Dr Bob;16697852]You agreed to Microsoft's EULA, something you agreed to when you first purchased and used their hardware, and you'd be violating it.[/QUOTE] Used consoles, you don't have to slam the agree button so you can play your expensive games because somebody has already done that for you. In addition if you are modding it you never would have to agree to anything. The above would apply if such an agreement was valid in the first place. [QUOTE=Dr Bob;16697852] They have the right to take you to court.[/QUOTE] they have the right to remain silent.
[QUOTE=The Pro;16725276]Used consoles, you don't have to slam the agree button so you can play your expensive games because somebody has already done that for you. In addition if you are modding it you never would have to agree to anything. The above would apply if such an agreement was valid in the first place. they have the right to remain silent.[/QUOTE] Owning a console is considered acceptance of its EULA
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[QUOTE=Lankist;16726383]Owning a console is considered acceptance of its EULA[/QUOTE] Ah, but you don't "Own" the console.
[QUOTE=Lankist;16726383]Owning a console is considered acceptance of its EULA[/QUOTE] viewing my post is considered acceptance of my EULA which states that you must give me at least one trillion dollars
[QUOTE=The Pro;16726496]viewing my post is considered acceptance of my EULA which states that you must give me at least one billion dollars[/QUOTE] At the current crazy exchange rate that's only 5 pounds for me. No problem.
[QUOTE=The Pro;16726496]viewing my post is considered acceptance of my EULA which states that you must give me at least one billion dollars[/QUOTE] Hardware EULA's have to meet certain standards of individual rights for them to be considered automatic. [QUOTE=Xesum;16726487]Ah, but you don't "Own" the console.[/QUOTE] Yes you do. The two people talking about that were idiots with no idea how this shit works. You own the hardware, but not the ability to violate that hardware's copyright protections. :iiaca: You can own a car, but you do not own the ability to illegally modify that car to illegal standards.
[QUOTE=Lankist;16727482] Yes you do. The two people talking about that were idiots with no idea how this shit works. You own the hardware, but not the ability to violate that hardware's copyright protections.[/QUOTE] Well yeah. If you "Own" something you can do whatever you want to it. I could get 50 odd people arrested according to this...
[QUOTE=Xesum;16727509]Well yeah. If you "Own" something you can do whatever you want to it. I could get 50 odd people arrested according to this...[/QUOTE] No. You are wrong. You can own a house, that doesn't mean you can install a missile silo.
[QUOTE=Lankist;16727518]No. You are wrong. You can own a house, that doesn't mean you can install a missile silo.[/QUOTE] Well you need planning permission. That and I was meaning complete ownership. If I bought the land around the property, I could do it.
[QUOTE=Lankist;16727482]You can own a car, but you do not own the ability to illegally modify that car to illegal standards.[/QUOTE] You can legally modify a car any way that you want. The part that makes it illegal is if it doesn't meet road requirements. That still doesn't bar you from driving it on private land or raceways.
[QUOTE=GiGaBiTe;16729891]You can legally modify a car any way that you want.[/QUOTE] No you can't. [editline]01:35AM[/editline] You cannot, for instance, put illegal firearms on it. [editline]01:35AM[/editline] This is that only smaller and nerdier.
[QUOTE=Lankist;16727482] You can own a car, but you do not own the ability to illegally modify that car to illegal standards.[/QUOTE] Only problem with this car analogy is that (where I live, anyway) you are exempt from vehicle code standards on private property. (ie, a car with an "illegal" engine modification can still be used on private roads such as race tracks) Now, the article doesn't say if this kid was selling the modified consoles or not. I assume he was, as it said "for personal financial gain". But if he was just modifying them for himself he shouldn't have been arrested. And no, I'm not trying to start shit with you again.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;16730827]Now, the article doesn't say if this kid was selling the modified consoles or not.[/QUOTE] Yes it did. "Specifically, the college student is accused of modifying for personal financial gain technology affecting control or access to a copyrighted work, according to an ICE statement."
[QUOTE=Lankist;16731103]Yes it did. "Specifically, the college student is accused of modifying for personal financial gain technology affecting control or access to a copyrighted work, according to an ICE statement."[/QUOTE] Which is why I said "I assume he was".
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